First, let me say that Glenn Sacks is a powerful and effective advocate for men, who has done much good; and though in several areas I disagree profoundly with some of his views and on occasionmethods, I also respect for his work, which on balance is good, and I have supported on several occasions.
Often the fact that I have never been divorced or dealt with the family law system in my personal life is cited as the reason that I “just don’t get it.”
Well - if the shoe fits.
That’s absolutely correct. When you have the flesh of your flesh and blood of your blood stolen from you for years by a corrupt system, THEN - and ONLY then - will you have real moral authority to say what a man should or should not do in such a situation.
Those of us who have been through such a situation, like myself, can sit down and say “There but for the grace of God go I.” We are entitled to pass judgment on Darren Mack.
We who have been through having a child taken from us, denied visits, lied about, told by the supposedly fair system point blank that because we are men, screw us - and more - we who have felt the rage, and despair, and soul-sucking agony of being labelled “Nothings” - we have that right, because we know what we are talking about.
You don’t. You cannot possibly say, with any certainty, what you would or would not do in such a situation. You may say what you believe you should do. You may say what you would think - want - hope - to do.
But we - WE - who have stood on the edge of that abyss and looked in it, and stepped back - I can say that. I have done it. I have said “I love my children more than to do that, to take away my son and daughter’s father.”
David Chick can say that, too.
Glenn Sacks? Glenn Sacks can say what he should do. And I will defend to forever Glenn Sacks right to preach that. What would Glenn Sacks do?
We haven’t seen those cards yet. Glenn hasn’t even seen them. So nobody - not even Glenn - can talk about them yet.
I bet you probably wouldn’t. But then again, I know a black priest who told me while I was going through my ordeal “I used to think the word “nigger” was no big deal until I got called one in earnest.”
You’re a father, Glenn. Ever had one of your kids come in late - or get lost somewhere? What went through you mind? How long did it take for your annoyance and irritation take to turn to worry, and perhaps panic?
What’s wrong? Did someone grab them? Are they … okay? Even alive?
Multiply that by a few years. Try to imagine it. Maybe you will get a faint ghost of a vague idea of what I went through with one child.
Haw many years of your children’s lives did you miss out on, that are known to you only by pictures - if even that? A combined almost 16 for me. You?
Oh yeah - “I have never been divorced or dealt with the family law system in my personal life.” That’s right.
But you know enough about Darren Mack to have no compassion for him.
And that you know enough about me, or men like me, to say that our compassion for him - my intimate personal empathy with his situation via shared experience - is tantamount to approval and endorsement of it?
This is like saying that a psychologist who understands criminal motivations must necessarily approve of the actions. Just like it. Not a bit different.
You know one of the big reasons the Gonzman never became a Darren Mack? Because the Gonzman had people who let him vent his rage, and his pain even when it was unreasonable and he was beyond reason. He had a couple friends who would do things like get him so drunk he couldn’t do something stupid, and then ask him the next day, “Aren’t you glad you only have a hangover this morning?” He had people who gave him space when he needed it and a shoulder to lean on when he needed it, and never said he was a bad person for feeling like he did, and never told him he shouldn’t feel that way.
Your lack of experience with divorce or the family law system gives you a huge honking blind spot, Glenn. You have no idea what it is to be told you are a non-entity, a nothing, a totally unnecessary and optional part of your children’s lives.
You have yet to be called a “nigger” in earnest. But you’re quick as all hell (Metaphorically speaking) to pull the trigger on saying “It’s just a word”
For you to put something out like this when Father’s Day is mere hours away from us. Evil? No. Insensitive? I *HATE* that word - it’s politically correct newspeak. It’s a lack of foresight. A lack of - compassion. What the HELL were you thinking? It’s nearly Father’s Day. Do you know how many men are contemplating a lonely-assed day, trying to find the strength to go on, trying to convince themselves they still matter? Right now, reading this site here, are men who are in the middle of this kind of crap. Who are feeling the rage, the frustration, the hopelessness; and what you are doing, whether you intend to or not, is telling them they have no right to those feelings. That they are wrong. Bad People. Darren Macks in the making. Who are not worthy of compassion.
This is like when you have a couple of lesbians crowing about how they don’t need men, fathers are optional, men are replaceable by women - and the female version of “daddy” is not only just as good, but better - and so on, and so forth - AND YOU TAKE THEIR SIDE. You want to call yourself a “Father’s Rights Activist” and then you sit down and sup with people who not only say men - males - fathers are fungible, who not only say they are optional, who not only say they are unnecessary, but who say the world would be better off by doing away with fathers entirely - it’s just a “socially constructed” role, after all, that women could do as well, if not better. And you champion their cause.
Listen to yourself, Glenn. Yeah - I know. Not in so many words. Sorry, my brother, but what you are doing speaks so loudly I can’t make out your words.
It is time to take a breath and consider the tone of the message you are sending.
I don’t have a national pulpit, Glenn. I don’t want it. I’m much better suited to local, in person, helping of men. I’m passing along the compassion I received, and hoping some of it gets paid forward. I can more afford to be a bomb thrower than someone of your profile, and I can understand your need to be more moderate and concilatory in tone.
But criminetley, man - if you’re going to throw bombs, throw them AWAY from us, for pity’s sake.
You can condemn people surgically. It’s entirely possible to separate Darren Mack’s actions and condemn them fully. If you have some whack job saying “One Family Court Judge Down, How Many To Go?” By all means - call them out. By name. Don’t smear it around, though. Use a bullet - not a grenade.
Glenn, I have walked out of a court with $4,000 of receipts for child support, and been told they didn’t count - only to find out later they didn’t count because if they didn’t go through the county, they didn’t get the kickback from the Federal Government. I’ve sat across from a bloated, useless carcass of a social worker and been told I’m a man, so I don’t get assistance and what I needed to do was get a job and “give dose bebbies back to they momma where dey belong an’ pay her her chile suppawt.” I’ve sat in open court and had a judge tell me “I don’t care what the truth is.” I’ve been the one assaulted, and then handcuffed on the ground, and then told how “lucky” I was my ex-wife wasn’t going to prosecute me, and warned not to go to the hospital for stitches, and if I did to not claim spousal abuse or I’d be arrested after all.
We have men, who are putting their lives on the line for this country half a world away, and this country is debating - as if there could be a debate! - whether we should allow the system to screw them over and steal their children while they are doing it.
If I gave a litany of the injustices I alone have suffered by sheer virtue of my sex at the hands of Family and Domestic Law, we’d be here for days. Did that make me angry?
You betcha. I still am. If I think on it, I can still see those moments in my mind’s eye, and I still feel the towering rage and hopelessness. I still feel the betrayal. I can pull out pictures of my kids at a younger age .. my God. Do you have any idea what it is to see an image of your own flesh and blood and know that a particular chapter in their life is a closed book to you? That at that age, this was a stranger to you? Because you were a man, a father, and therefore unimportant? Irrelevant?
Do you?
Of course not.
Darren Mack did a bad thing. He committed an evil act. A moral outrage. Why didn’t I? Did I have more strength? Faith? Friends? Support? You tell me, Glenn, because I don’t know. I had equal indignity heaped upon me. Probably more. And for longer.
Don’t tell me it’s because I’m a good man and he an evil one. I hated them. I wished them ill. Still do hate them. I don’t use “hate” lightly, either. I have fifteen years with my children and some change lost. Gone forever. This can never be given back to me, never done over, and never made right. Those years with my children have been stolen as surely as if they had been dead. And don’t mistake me as reveling in it either - it is a very dark spot within me, but one I cannot say doesn’t exist and still remain honest, and unhypocritical. (And I don’t fail to notice, either, that those who have never been through it are the only ones to say “Let it go.” But that is another rant.)
So what is it, exactly, that I had that he lacked? Or he had that I lacked? Do you know? Because I sure as hell don’t. Kind of hard for me to condemn it, then, eh? You assert that he wasn’t a product of the system. That “Had there been no biased system, there would have been no Darren Mack” is contrary to fact. I am open to the deductive and syllogistic proofs you have to support this assertion with such certainty. By all means - set them forth.
It’s one thing to say, then, that such acts are unhelpful. Immoral. Wrong. An evil. They are not the answer. That no matter what the provocation, one should not let it consume you into doing monstrous and destructive things; that in so doing you destroy not only yourself, but your children. That Darren Mack is not only *NOT* a good example, but a terrible warning. “Don’t Be A Darren Mack.” I’m jiggy wid’ it, Glenn. But I can’t go any further.
I work with men going through this. I email men going through this. They email me. Some of the things I read - even what I went through pales in comparison. All of them are full of pain, and rage, and frustration, and loneliness, and despair, and betrayal. All these men want to lash out. All these men want to do is fight against it. All they want is a fair fight, even if they lose it. Just FAIR.
I have lost a few. Just the other week I wrote of some man being butt-stupid and shooting himself in the foot. Even worse, I have stood over more than a couple of holes in the ground, the last one a little over a year ago where the last email I got from the guy said “I swear, Pete, all I am anymore is an ATM as far as the state is concerned, and I’m worth more to my kids dead than alive.” Pity he never read the suicide clause in his life insurance; now his kids have neither.
I counsel every one of these men not to be a Darren Mack. Or a Martin Romanchick, or a Steven Cook, or a Darrin White, or a Derrick Miller. But I am not about to be a hypocrite and tell them they are not entitled to their feelings. A wise man told me once that “A man’s pain is invisible.” Another one once said of Derrick Miller that “We’ll never know exactly why Derrick Miller took his life and if his suicide could have been prevented.”
You’ll have to pardon me, then, for extending this courtesy to Darren Mack. For asking, “Maybe if he had been treated fairly, this never would have happened.” Maybe this tragedy could have been averted.
Maybe not. I’m honest enough to say “I don’t know.” I’m honest enough to admit, “There, but for the grace of God, go I.” I’m honest enough, even though I can’t applaud what Darren Mack did, I do understand, in full and agonizing detail, what he could have gone through to push him over an edge, so I can’t do a posturing, sound-byte hatchet job on him. I have been through it.
Been there.
Done that.
Got the T-shirt.
You don’t. You CAN’T. But for some reason you seem to be able to sit in judgment of those of us who can, who have been through that hell, and to whom every time we hear of another man going through, tears open anew wounds we have that haven’t - and never will - heal?
How dare you?
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bombbombbombbomb said,
June 14, 2007 at 1:56 pm
RScott said,
June 14, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Mjaybee said,
Likewise, the G-man says, “walk a mile in his shoes” before you have a right to define what a Darren Mack was going through and how his experience put him where he ended up.
Glenn previously wrote about how completely inequitable and hypocritical it is for feminists to excuse the Andrea Yates’ of the world by labeling her as mentally ill instead of morally bankrupt and criminal. He also wrote about how men who go through tremendous stresses are immediately assumed to be criminals if they crack under pressure, and how this is intrinsically unjust.
I think you are both right. Strategically, given the poor PR of men’s rights in America today, it is wise to distance ourselves from the Darren Macks of the world. At the same time, it is also wise to call attention to the Darren Macks of the world and point out that men are only human when faced with the inhumanity of having your children stripped from your home while paying for the privilege.
June 14, 2007 at 1:59 pm
The Gonzman said,
Society needs to take a long and hard look at itself, though, and reflect that this - and other acts of despair including suicide - are as likely as not, or likelier - preventable.
And the more the system lets such injustices continue, the more the system has to be held to account for it as well.
June 14, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Menck said,
June 14, 2007 at 3:39 pm
DcFather said,
To me, this is like the 1850’s, prior to the civil war, and Darren Mack is like a slave caught trying to kill his owners. Most in the media, including Glenn Sacks, say slaves who do such things ought to be condemned. But when the Emancipation Proclamation for divorced fathers comes (Glory, glory, hallelujah!), with or without civil war, then there will be no shortage of retrospective Darren Mack admirers and sympathizers.
June 14, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Virtue said,
June 14, 2007 at 4:07 pm
JamesH said,
But the thing is we never know… is what we will actually wind up doing until it happens to us!
The term ‘berserker’ comes to mind, anger and later rage are powerful enough to push normally civilized humans past the restrictions of society and for them to do things that once the rage has past, that they regret and feel remorseful about.
Maybe it is a leftover from our ancestors, a primative response to a threat. This can be seen where normally shy, timid animals become a ball of snarling fury when their young are threatened and will tackle much large animals when commonsense normally says RUN.
June 14, 2007 at 4:53 pm
John Dias said,
Again, having no credibility with national media at stake (nor a care about it if I did), I affirm that I can extend sympathy to a man whose ultimate decisions I also condemn.
June 14, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Roger Knight said,
To condemn Darren Mack is like condemning Nat Turner and Sparticus. It is like condemning the Massachusetts Minutemen for letting the British have it at Concorde North Bridge. It is like condemning the Jews for killing the commandant to get the keys to the weapons locker and using the guns to shoot their way out of Sobibor.
If the judges are too pig headed to follow the law, and the public is indifferent, then what are we to do? Had Judge Weller died from his wounds, all I would have to say is:
Sic semper tyrannis.
The black slaves of the South were not liberated by polite letters and peaceful demonstrations. Neither were the Jews in the concentration and death camps.
If this makes me a whack job, then I am a whack job.
Whack jobs like me created the United States. Liberated the black slaves. Martin Luther King, Jr. was listened to because whack jobs like Malcolm X said things like “We will not be nonviolent with those who are not nonviolent with us.” Whack jobs fought the Germans in the Warsaw Ghetto rather than meekly board the train for Treblinka.
The First Amendment protects our right to speak out against this tyranny.
The Second Amendment is for when people don’t listen.
June 14, 2007 at 5:06 pm
donnieboy57 said,
to this day, my 33 year old son knows that his mother was a lieing feminist. she still doesn’t get it. thats ok with me.
June 14, 2007 at 6:39 pm
wheresmy40 said,
They didn’t shoot or stab anybody (I heard you thinking out loud). You would be correct. But is systematically driving a person to kill themself all in the name of profit less merciless than shooting them?
Empathize with Mr. Mack? Sure. But if you insist I will serve as his executioner….. but only after all the mass murderers in the family court business have crossed my gallows first.
June 14, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Jon said,
If a thief broke in at night and tried to kidnap your child, which of you would not shoot him?
Is it more or less right that the stealing is done under color of law? Done with a facade of justice under the tyranny of the state. I say less. All the pretenses make it all the more evil.
If every father reacted as Darren Mack, the tyranny would have ended a generation ago. The ultimate cost would have been less.
Darren Mack chose the path of Patrick Henry. Give me freedom or give me death.
I, for one, will not judge him in this matter.
June 14, 2007 at 8:10 pm
amfortas said,
I admire the Gonzman for his track record too but also disagree with his major point of critique of Glenn. The fact that so many men haven’t gone through the pain is one major reason that no one takes any friggin’ notice of the fact that the Law and its servants are corrupt. Women don’t join us in droves because they don’t get the boot in the face that men get. But men and women both, have a brain and intelligence and empathy and can easily do the mental and emotional work to understand. Glenn does understand. That’s why he is in the Men’s business and why he does so much good work.
I do agree with the heartfelt position that Gonz takes. I’ve been there too. I have the tee-shirt.
There are many ways in which MRAs challenge the system. Those with patience chip away at it via emails, protests, signs on utes outside the courthouse, letters to the Editor, blog writing, commentary etc, all ‘peaceful’. We have been doing this for years and consciousness is slowly rising. Far too slowly.
Some active men have particular ways of fighting that sits well within their comfort zone. Some are pushed outside that zone into hard territory where our actions and reactions are quite primal.
Primal drive and action are not bad. It is nature, directing. Putting reins on it and have it drag a cart is what is needed and sorely missing from the MRM.
Otherwise good men get tipped over the edge daily. The courts take no more notice of their distress than needed just to jeer. We do not need, as Glenn is doing here, to jeer or condemn either. We need to harness it.
Here is my prediction of how things will unfold. The good and mild guys will continue to protest and the powers that be will continue to ignore them; some really good men will be held back by friends who know what a good idea getting too pissed to stand up can be; but there will be a rising tide of justifiable anger that will spill over into violence.
The Tailors, like Mack, will fit more and more corrupt, uncaring - in fact vicious - Judges with a Full Metal Jacket. In 10 years time every active men’s group that makes any sort of mark, will have an assassin.
Good.
It is meet and just.
The system is not going to fizzle out or change for the better without bloodshed. Terrible though that thought might be. There will be more Darrens, there will be more dead Judges.
Embrace your inner Darren.
June 14, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Jon said,
I got my girlfriend pregnant when I was 16, and have been paying child support my entire adult life. I have never missed a payment, no matter how exorbitant or unreasonable. And that by the grace of God.
I am now 35, and it is finished.
For those here willing and able, raise up a toast, and say Here, Here!
There is one less man with fangs in his neck, and a boot crushing his skull. Although the scars will remain.
June 14, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Roger Knight said,
June 14, 2007 at 9:44 pm
steven deluca said,
Their mother had taken them from CA to Colorado for Christmas. She made sure that they didn’t call me the week of Christmas. I was moving from an apartment to homeless, had a car that I thought would die any day, thought I could sleep in it. (A year or two later the VA - decades after the 60’s, found PTSD, some brain damage, a bit of damage to my body, and they gave me therapy, college for my kids and a disability pension. the called it an “award” not charity. Although my wife, her ex, act as if it’s charity from their taxes, or so they tell the kids who know that neither my X or her husband spent time in the military)
I took my few remaining dollars for dinner Christmas eve - after checking the last item left in the cold and empty apartment, my phone/answering machine, waiting for a message, waiting to get a number where I could call my children. No red light beeping Christmas eve, or Christmas day, or the days after. I bought a few beers … skipped the dinner Christmas eve.
A few days later I unplugged the phone and moved out to start the new year homeless. I spent hours and hours thinking about how I had taken care of the kids while she got her masters, and a good job, how I relocated to a small town to follow her “career” and how she was with them, snow falling, for two weeks at Christmas and New Years, opening presents, and for sure keeping the away from the phone.
I would not have done that to her. I was angry with me, with her, with the world… it’s not a good time to screw around with a man and his children when things are falling apart … act too calm and the courts act as if you don’t care. Show anger and they want to know if you can be a good parent. There is no pressure on the mom. Mom’s are a given. If they want the kids they don’t have to prove they are competent.
I wanted to beat their mothers face in because … and of course I wouldn’t. I knew I would see them again. I knew that if a man messed with me and came between me and my kids I would want to fight him. I think that’s what happens sometimes… the deck is stacked, you roll over and take it, or you fight, both ways a man will lose his children.
I have wondered how many men, who lived with years of violence as children, or who had suffered from the military who have some problems as adults but who could be good parents with minimual social support and counseling, just don’t get it. They do their best but their best isn’t good enough. Truth is, they must be better people than the wife to get custody. It’s she, not he, ,who gets the free pass for being less than perfect.
I have no idea how horrible it must be to lose your kids for years - Just not hearing from them Christmas, just having the fear that the courts would give their mother soul custody, or perhaps keep me away, - PTSD and all, filled me with dread. Those thoughts made me feel crazy (ier) … Luckily I had friends who showed up to get me through it. Luckily I got therapy and my therapists were aware that I could parent “well enough” and that I had done a good job with my kids and could prove it… and because I had been the primary caretaker, and ONLY because I had been the primary caretaker, I had a fighting chance. The bottom line was simple. “If the X said I wasn’t able to be a good parent when divorced, why did she tell so many others how good I was before we divorced” … if not primary caretaker I would have lost them. If I hadn’t gotten counseling and help from the VA I would have lost them.
I was a good dad, not a great dad, but a good dad. My daughter at 18 and son 22 will tell you that. Yet I knew that the courts could take my children from me. I would rather be the lone isolated guard trapped by prisoners in an army prison, and beaten, on a regular basis, then to lose my children for weeks or months. I would rather be raped then to lose my children. (Feminists would challenge me on that - they would lose)
To lose your children for years, to have thousands of men losing their childrens for years of their lives, … it’s impressive that more men haven’t picked up a weapon to find justice. And maybe it’s because more men haven’t that few take men who lose children seriously.
A women who lost her children to the courts and who killed a judge, or X partner would be understood, forgiven, sent to counseling after a brief time in jail. Others would “get it” that she had been pushed too far, lost too much. Mr G laid it out, brilliantly. If you have lost your children for days or weeks, or faced losing them for years, you have the shadow of a clue.
But for men who got raped by the courts, who know, day after day that they were raped by the courts, and the courts don’t care, well, I understand Glenn’s views and political position. And I really do understand why some men “go off” … and I am glad men usually don’t. Still, I must wonder, if more men did, would the judges start to listen? Especially if judges were the target? Sometimes I almost wish those fathers who lost children would push the courts towards fairness with violence. Why? Because begging, pleading, or simply rolling over for the courts, for decades, doesn’t seem to have helped bring fairness to fathers yet.
June 14, 2007 at 10:49 pm
KushinLos said,
God Bless You guys. I have no idea of the pain.
June 15, 2007 at 12:56 am
MuchWiserNow said,
My wife had attempted what she had called suicide by trying to cut off her finger. That involved a couple more operations within that same three year period and it involved over three months of me taking her back and forth to the hospital’s rehab center three times a week for rehab treatments on her finger. She had severed both tendons on her finger. To this day she doesn’t have use of her finger.
I was informed that three days after she was released from that so-called shelter, she was forcibly (twice) comitted to a mental hospital by doctors. When she was taken to the hospital because of yet another suicide attempt, I was warned by friends that if I tried to call the emergency room in order to see how she was doing, I would be arrested! That so-called shelter employed some kind of indoctrination procedure or mind control on our 17 year old special needs daughter because she began claiming she was RAPED when she was 5 years old by another 5 year old immediately after leaving that state-supported ‘terrorist’ organization posing as a battered women’s shelter. My now ex-wife remains under the care of mental health professionals.
As mentioned previously, I walked around for days (if not weeks) in a complete daze …unable to comprehend what was happening to me, since I had NEVER been involved in the legal system before. I kept asking myself, ‘How could this happen in America?’ Looking back, I am lucky in one respect that our children (our son was out of the house on his own) weren’t of a very young age …else I myself, would have tried suicide or perhaps I might have evolved into another Darren Mack in regards to exacting revenge upon the one-sided legal system. I guess my biggest mistake was believing the propaganda of ‘Innocent until PROVEN guilty’ in a court of law. I can see that my situation pales in comparisom to yours or Mr. Mack’s but at that time I thought my world had come to an end. I divorced my wife of 29 years. She got everything (the house, the furniture and full custody of our daughter who at that time refused to even talk to me when it was allowed for her to visit me some months later. I have since found out that LIES, DECEPTION and MANIPULATION are important tools used throughout our so-called “?justice?” system by those in the abuse indu$try!
June 15, 2007 at 2:54 am
donnieboy57 said,
men hit from the blues…….women hit from the yellows!
June 15, 2007 at 6:28 am
TheManOnTheStreet said,
TMOTS
June 15, 2007 at 9:07 am
roger said,
June 15, 2007 at 11:45 am
Joyanna Adams said,
So much pain. And not only for the guys…for the poor kids.
Gonzman…you sure can write, and your feelings are very moving. May God give you all strength on this father’s day.
June 16, 2007 at 12:52 am
GlennSacks.com » Blog Archive » Blowback on Darren Mack said,
June 25, 2007 at 3:25 pm
DadWith2Girls said,
They need to write more, become more prominent, and eventually help shift the sensibilities of the mass media to pay attention to men’s causes.
Gonz and Glenn are like MRA Yin and Yang, only oscillating their forces.
Each man can write very logically or very emotionally.
(So, FU all you feminazis who want to dismiss men as deficient in both intellectual and emotional I.Q.’s.)
If Marc and Lis can have a weekly face-off on msnbc — why not Glenn and Gonz?
Well, Gonz, you would have to lose the Indiana accent. And Glenn, wax your eyebrows.
You dudes would be great! (on ‘Net streaming tee-vee!)
June 26, 2007 at 6:50 pm
OpEd said,
The judge, who was continually filling out forms and rarely looked away from her paperwork, asked a hulking heavy lifter in a cut-off tee shirt if he could manage to pay $5000 a month. My friend said this guy probably wouldn’t see that kind of money in a year. Case after case was like this. An elderly black woman was present with her minister; she owed $30,000. The minister couldn’t do anything. A twenty-five year old woman was summoned to the court on account of back child support–she had been out of work. Her boyfriend was present. The judge even asked the boyfriend if he had any money. When he said he did not, the woman was led away in handcuffs. An Egyptian businessman was present who had paid his wife $2000 directly. It didn’t count: it had to be paid to the court.
The point is that it isn’t necessary to walk in their shoes to see the injustice of a system in which child support is structured as a fine that has to be paid to the court.
The theory that you need to walk a mile in those person’s shoes to understand the injustice against them is a manipulative, solipsistic put-down. And for lack of a predictive theory of human behavior, the question of what it feels like to walk in someone else’s shoes is too touchy-feely to be of any practical consequence.
June 27, 2007 at 10:57 am
The Gonzman said,
I disagree with him on a few points, but agree on far more.
June 27, 2007 at 12:30 pm