Truth part 2
I never planned a sequel to my original article but the events of the past few days have provided the fodder for it.
Firstly let me state that I never investigated Joyanna or anyone else for that matter. The fact that I used a name other than Adams was absentmindedness. If it was her maiden name it was coincidence, or as Mike explained serendipity. For those who believe in it, the planet Mercury was retrograde at the time that I wrote the article and during that period I had a host of communications problems. In upgrading my version of AOL all of my records and downloads of the last four years were lost. I have had billing problems, postal service problems and the like.
In addressing this issue I recall an episode of Columbo in which Peter Falk tells the suspect that first he decides who had the motive, and then he investigates that person. What motive could I possibly have had to put Joyanna’s maiden name in my article? None. And I thank all of you for not taking the bait, and instead defending me. I did not read Joyanna’s article; I just looked over a few of the early comments. I don’t much care for gossip. I was informed of the big brouhaha the following day by E-mail and phone. It was a surprise to me when I checked my file copy to see that I had used the name Williams.
Again I thank you all and will refer further to your activity later in this article. However, there is one aspect of this incident that has not been addressed, and that is the motive for making a big scene. Apparently no one noticed that I had used the wrong name, or if there were a few who did, they probably accepted that it was an inconsequential error. It only became an issue when Joyanna pointed it out and all the subterfuge that she imagined that went along with it. My article contained my web site address, which also contained a phone number through which to reach me. Why didn’t she call me before she wrote her article and ask me how and why I got her maiden name? What was her motivation to take it public instead?
Now I will go further into the reason for writing Truth Part 2. In my article Truth I indicated that lies are established and then people take sides in the lie. You have just witnessed an actual representation of what I wrote about. A lie was established and then sides were taken in the lie—an all too common occurrence in our feminized society. The uncommon event that occurred here on MND was that almost all of you saw through it. You defended me in my absence and I am grateful to you. More importantly, you relied upon the unseen knowledge within you to guide your actions. You had no proofs or empirical data—unseen knowledge empowered your actions.
Your expression of the unseen continued the wave that started to rise a week ago in response to my article Pictures and Points. Many of you understood the point and expounded upon it with a clarity and conviction beyond what I could have done myself. This indicates an awakening of the manly power within you, a power that the enemy has tried to eradicate. Your creator gave your manliness to you at birth. People can suppress it, but they cannot remove it. You are awakening my brothers, or rather my sons. You are my sons and I am proud of you. I sit here with tears in my eyes as I realize all that you have done. The seeds that I have sewn have taken root within you and now of your own free will you are spreading the word. Also, the knowledge that it has awakened within you can never be taken away from you; it can only grow.
I had indicated that I would start to change the focus on my articles to action, but the events of the past week were beyond anything that I had anticipated. For those who can see the point and are not lost in the picture, the action that took place was overwhelming. It was an action of thought, knowledge, and power. You are learning to trust the power within, and that is the greatest power and greatest reality. You are on your way to unlimited accomplishment. Stay the course.
My articles will now go deeper. They will further reveal the power within you. Let your comments be evolvements of my message and expansions of the points I make. Help those who need more understanding. Ignore the naysayers. Don’t leave because of the recent scene making; do the opposite and bring your friends to MND and tell them there are voices of manhood speaking out and saying I AM A MAN.
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Stumble It!
July 13th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
“It seems, Will Marvin…”
Actually, it’s Will Malven.
*duck*
July 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
Nobody’s Opinion; As I’m not sure I will ever post another piece on this site ever again due to being called Hysterical, a liar, “emotional” it matters not what I say at this point.
The only reason I would continue to write would be to bug EG, but that would get boring real quick.
I haven’t decided yet.
Having said, that…here’s comes your woman emotional…reaction to
Injustice…and stupidity. So…go for it guys….it’s raw meat. Tear a woman apart…it seems to make your day.
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I was willing to get off this subject. I even wrote a nice “fluff: piece.
“Me thinks thou protests too much.”
Or how about “I did NOT have sex with that woman.”
1. I believe even more NOW than EVER— that the “absentminded” slip by EG was done on purpose, MORE than ever.
He just proved it by this blog. Here’s what happened in MY eyes.
1. He wrote a peice called “Truth.” In the article he came out with the scientific breakthrough that all women think in pictures…more proof of why men are superior. Absurd I said. Well, all men must think this is true. No one questions the great EG. No man brought this up. Wow..WE ARE in trouble. Big Time.
2. Then he demands, for just ONE example of an orignal concept ever thought up by a woman. “An original concept.”
Not an invention…not a physical product mind you….”an original concept.’
Just one. Not two. Not fifty. Just one.
So I give him one, provided evidence from inventors…no not enough
(Wait…Mike still agrees with the Bitch…god…what’s wrong with him. Can’t have this.) Right EG?
If he disagrees with my ONE person…which he did…I know that many men at Boeing would say old EG is full of himself and knows nothing about the inventing process, and that Hedy Lamarr did invent something. That was the only issue I was answering there. Jack Lander answers others…but I presented the woman. I put the picture of her face at the Boeing factory for proof.
Oh wait,…. woman think in pictures, not men, that’s why nobody got it.
3. Mike Lasalle says…”Home run Joy.”
THIS is what I beleive caused the whole thing.
4. Oh oh…the editor found a woman’s arugments sound! Can’t have that now can we? EG the Grand Buba…a MASTER of writing who though, even no writer I have EVER known in my entire reading life, has called the name of a writer on the very site he writes for, or mis-spelled another mans name…made such an error, because most of them have some kind of brain, they all agreed with him.
EG the great leader makes this “silly” mistake.
It’s just so silly.
As my husband use to say whenever I would stick up for someone who had done something nasty to me…like oh…they have had a hard life honey…I should forgive them…
He would say “That’s no excuse.” And he was right.
I have never, would never, WIlL never make that mistake. And according to many here, I’m MUCH inferior to the great EG. Why….he’s such a genius he walks out into traffic.
If that’s so. I would have heard of him before this site.
This means that Elder George is either such an idiot. he makes mistakes like that all the time…and we all forgive him for being such a stupid, unprofessional writer…
so we must therefore follow all his vast logical brainstorms. After all, it’s not like Willimas would be caught in Spell check.
This makes more sense than supplying statistics of last names. The brain doess’t work like that. Just becaus a name is common, does NOT mean you will pick that one at a particlar moment in time.
Did he say that he knew a Joyanna Williams once? no. Did he say his last name is Williams? No.
Let’s say I believe him…(I don’t ) but let’s say it. Okay. If he had just made a mistake like that to a man writer…he would have said I’m sorry, he would have told a man “hey..I’m really sorry bout that bub: ….wait…did he? I would have told him I was sorry.
No…he went on the attack. It was because I was an hysterical woman that this occured proving his “points” that all women lie to get ahead.
What great knowledge you have EG.
Oh wait, I forgot…he doesn’t read a word I say…it’s mere gossip. Oh..well, then how does he argue any point? I’m a woman…we don’t read women here.
Tell me…does he make these mistakes often? Does he put Doug Williams, or Mike Williams into his daily rantings…?
More importantly….DO YOU? Have you EVER? Has the name WILLIMAS ever come into your thoughts as a subsitute for a woman….Think.
Maybe if he had said JONES. ….he could still have done what he was trying to do…but he didn’t. I’m still convinced, either he knows someone…who could get the information for him…or he somehow found out himself.
He did it to slam me as a “fraud.” I must have hit a nerve.
I don’t care how “intellectually” he writes…like James Brown says he was “‘
“Talking Loud, and saying nothing…” about me.
I’m convinced, because of the circumstantial evidence that abounds in the writings. of his intentions, much like I’m convinced that OJ killed his wife.
Okay…it’s just a name here, I know no hurt has been done in my personal life from it.
It’s just the principle here.
2. Nobody gets VERY upset to see her maiden name in print. Something that it seems the vast body of mankind can not even fathom, even though she gives them vast evidence…no they are only thinking of themselves.
Point; I told you my husband had been a Seal. What do Seals do guys? They kill. My husband does not need his address exposed. You figure it out, if your brain goes that far.
Wait…these guys on this blog don’t care about you Joyanna, or your husband…they just care about how bad they’ve been hurt. You know that. You told them WHY…but that did not matter to most of them.
Only a few saw the possible danger in reveiled privacy.
Maybe they all think this page goes nowhere else but their computer…
That’s scary.
Two; I have relatives I don’t want finding me, they caused me enough pain.
Three; Any other reasons are my own private ones…I tried to explain, but you guys are so busy hating women, and want me off this site, or anyone who DARES to dispute the thought of “we only have one goal, and that’s for men to rule” anyone else can go.
And I won’t go into the years of trouble I have had when I was singer and somebody found out where I lived. I’m lucky to be writing this. i’m lucky to be alive.
And it seems..to support my “hysteria” further….many others have quit this site. I would NOT be the first one to quit, it seems, If I decided to do this…just to give EG some satisfaction.
It seems, Wll Marvin…some other women…and who else? Hey, fill me in. Just how many writers have quit this site due to pressure from the peanut gallery?
May I remind you Will was NOT a woman. Will pretty much told you all…hey, I’m not wasting my time here…not with you guys. So I guess I can’t claim gender attack…still..I see some of it here.
Also, EG….very smartly, after I caught him in his little trip to expose me as NOT an intellectual of any kind, because by putting my maiden last name into the argument he could prove that at least “he” thought I was not an Adams…
Why should the grand master take the trouble to find out my name.
Because the editor AND I were refuting his points. And he had to do something.
Danger…Danger…Will Robinson.
Can’t prove it Joyanna? No, just like they can’t prove that Sandy Burger had an itch in his sock and filled it up with paper.
There are lots of things that can’t be proved…a good politician can spin the most ridiculous story and have every one beleive it.
My finger “slipped” and I just typed the wrong name, doesn’t cut it.
Why didn’t I call him? Oh please. What an ego….He’s lucky I didn’t call him.
No…I have also listened to enough lies in my life to know when a person is lying, and trying to cover his/her butt. And for those that can’t see that, you have lived a very sheldered and wonderful life.
Hey, I thought most of you guys put up with this stuff from x wives…but you don’t see it when a man uses it.? Why, becuase he’s made himself some vast professor of…..saving you.?
“Oh honey, that name in my cell phone…I just mis-typed it….it just slipped. It’s a Bill Williams is a common name.”
You guys don’t need EG to save you…you can do that yourself. EG thinks he’s saving you….just read his stuff.
BUT…EG. You called me a liar…and on THAT I demand an apology.
You may think you can convince a whole generations of pain filled men, that I am hysterical….but you don’t fool this nobody.
Not for one nobody minute. You were mad because Mike was taking sides with me about your logic on the Hedy Lamarr issue, and that was the truth.
The group-think was being attacked.
Truth II was about as filled with as much truth as Truth I.
I suggest you practice, just incase someday you slip and mis=spell the word.
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Why did I mention the mistake at all? Because I saw exactly what you were doing.
And now this…? Your defense is to go on the offense? I wanted to get attention?
If you attack me, then all the men will gather round, and you’ll all feel better with one more blow to women. Woman who want attention. Women who lie. Women who hurt.
What? I didnt’ get my share of “nice” comments today?
And guess what EG…just because you attacked me…by calling me a liar…and don’t say “I didnt’ call you a liar” because you spinned the truth around all your idiotic rantings of “truth” Just because you didnt’ say my name, doesn’t mean you weren’t putting the accusation on me.
Doesn’t mean you don’t owe me an apology. I know you want Mike to kick me off the sight..I know, even though he’s so nice he probably doesn’t see that it seems some men on this site want his editorial power.
If I thought you were as dangerous to the country as the Clintons, I would continue to attack you.
But you’re not. The only thing you are…is a misguided voice, trying to take over a “mens’ site to give yourself purpose in the world.
Hey, Napoleon crowned himself king…why not you?
I lived through the “woman’s” movement. And you are exactly the kind of man that continues to fuel their fire. Exactly. If it’s fight you want, you will get it…and not only from the feminist, but from hard working, men loving women like me.
I will not stand by and here a man say women see in pictures. So do dogs.
I felt that old stuff was out of the whole society looooooog ago. I feel like I’m in a bad relationship….you know the one where the wife remembers some “bad” thing you did to her in the past…and she keeps bringing it up again and again.
Jesus…Lord help me. I’m figting a man who can’t read or write. Jesus, he wants to save the world…
He better hurry up before he gets hit by a rolling pin.
Oh, and by the way, after you have read all of this, I didn’t say it. It was all a fluke. Why didn’t EG get in touch with me? Why EG….?
EG what you need is a good dose of Ann Coutler.
And since I’m a much hated women with no intellectual points to be made worth whatsoever in EGs word.
I can say this: EG…YOU are the liar. And I have the guts to come out and call you one…unlike you ….I don’t have to hide it in some intellectual spin machine of plattitudes, like some insidious corrupt lawyer from New Jersey.
And that’s the truth.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
AN MSDS for marriage…Thurston thats a great idea. After the gubmit passed the “Right to Know” legislation and we learned that OSHA wasn’t just a small Wisconsin town, we should have started cranking these out.
I have a template for MSDS’s in the chemcial markets, maybe I’ll parody one for marriage.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
And in the crushing of Men’s Rights they can easily set up a Gulag State without a War.
It is the Marxist Way. Was done in Gernamy and Russina, Cambodia, China.
HEXT!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Mruff – I do have Material Safety Data Sheet if you would like one.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
A lot of men and women still see feminism as an attempt to grant women “equality”. They don’t see it for what it really has become: a pack of lies and a power grab to suppress men and crush our basic rights.
July 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Virtue.
There are a lot of things I hear about on MND that I’ve never heard from the MSM. I don’t think I ever heard from them that 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women, often for no sound reason. I don’t think I’ve ever heard from them that judges will not enforce even what little visitation rights men are granted. I know I’ve never heard from them how easy it is for a woman to get a man in trouble with false allegations. These are obvious injustices. The more people are aware of them the more the men’s movement will grow. To make people aware they need to come to sites like this.
Yes, men know something is wrong, but too many of them are not aware how bad it is. That is the message we need to get out and drum home.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
The wiki cited above says: “The term ‘MSM’ or ‘mainstream media’ has been widely used in the blogosphere in discussion of the mass media and media bias.”
MSM means “mainstream media”. The term basically means, the media that most people listen to, i.e. the big networks like BBC, NBC, ABC, etc, and major news papers. They are slanted to the left and to feminism.
Yes TV is free, but the internet is also free (if you are already connected) and so is talk radio.
The thing about TV is that it is entertainment. We need to get people to see the benefits of enlightenment over entertainment. We need to help people realize how biased the MSM is. More people need to know how to find alternatives.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
There ought to be a warning label on marriage.
Before you get behind the wheel to drive, the government requires a passing score on driver’s tests. There are warning labels on cigarettes and alcohol, and warnings on tax forms. The government requires warning labels on investments, food, clothes, medication, advertising, electronic products, amusement rides, bathrooms, and gas pumps, among many other activities. The government is about warning us on most everything.
Further, with about hundred fifty (150) channels on television, thousands of newspaper and magazines, plus the large number of required classes in high school, there is plenty of opportunity to warn men about the true cost of divorce.
It is seems irresponsible (maybe deceiving) to allow a man to wed without some honest attempt to warn of risks.
The government could easily pass legislation to require a minimum of four hours in family court before the marriage license is issued.
Lastly, albeit American women would be feel less entitled during divorce if 1) government legislation made divorce difficult, for example, bilateral; 2) women were not automatically rewarded with children, money, property, and 3) women were held accountable.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Doug, I hate to see blanket misunderstanding of these comments as bitter anti-woman vitriol. You are not alone in that perception. Sure there will be those among us that are bitter, some justifiably, but the subject matter is misconstrued if seen as blatant anti-women.
Thurston touches on marriage counseling. I’ve seen this firsthand, and know it secondhand. If you go there you will be told, essentially, that the key to your relationship is to think like a woman. Period. This bad idea pervades all aspects of society, because it completely lacks balance.
I could share an example. I was busy selling a home and buying a new one. I was using a female realtor. We ran against some difficulty on the sell side and I called her to ask about clause such and such in the contract. I wanted a CLEAR and concise definition of my upside and downside, the min and max, the black and white. Her answer, repeatedly, was something like, “well here is how it is going to go down, or here is what will happen, or here is what you must do”. Again I would ask for her to specifically relate that to the contract. She simply would not do it, and could not seem to grasp even the reason for the question. It wasn’t that she was unable (as some would read my words as meaning she was not bright enough), no, she was uber experienced and at the top tier of agents, it was that she could not get past “relating” to the situation instead of “defining” it. I then called a male realtor, asked the question, and he answered. The woman’s summation was accurate, but it wasn’t giving me closure on my question. I ran the dialog by my wife and she said she “got” the woman’s answer straight away and I should have left it to her. But I wasn’t asking for what was going to happen. A counselor, the church, and all of society would tell me to lighten up and think like a woman. Why? It is no more natural that I do that then it is the woman answer the question as I asked it.
I wrote earlier in the Carey Roberts piece about the frustration I’ve seen as men are shoved deeper and deeper into this utopian notion of a “feeling” world.
A will always equal Pie Are Squared regardless how you feel.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Doug, respectfully, I believe that you misread that any note of discontent is identified as belligerent hatred.
This is what I ran into in marital Conuseling and it is wrong to translate people’s words that way.
Even the Female Counselor knew that.
Women want to use emotion as a control factor that should make a man bend to their will. It is innate within them. It is part of the intimacy and support sequence, but in the wrong place at the wrong time it is manipulation and destructive. Such is the first move of a game that relationships were not designed to be. It is Sexual Warfare, and Women can be very successful with that weapon in a Society where men worship women.
That absolute power certainly can make an incorrupt woman very corrupt in the end, because Power does that to all People, not jsut women.
So Men do need to fix themselves first and not worship the woman.
How do we fix that in a society that has well taught that since WWI pinup girls on Bombers and Planes, and Playboy and Penthouse have become softcore porn telling us what women are, and churches that teach a soft feminized Jesus for Men to emulate loving their wives as he loves teh Church which goes apostate and self destructs as in Revelations, but destroys the Man jsut as Christ was Cricified?
I do not believe that this must be the fate of good Men.
Do you?
So please do not look at verbalization of discontent through absolutist feminized eyes when a man is stating a concept.
Even Yeshua (aka Jesus Christ) taught in concepts that are parables. THere was no way to speak, for he would be listening to people asking “What about this circumstance here, or change that circumstance there, or this material item as opposed to that material item.
He taught in concepts to make his point and move on.
And now I ask, are you with us?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Mike:
You took my comment wrong. There was an ad on my MND homepage for a gay chat company! I was not refering to present company or issues….
Cracked me up that.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Virtue – at # 30 you have it.
You are looking for the solution and beyond the problem.
I have found my leader, He statistically does not have long to live at his age. So I cannot delay in following him.
He is the only one here who is consistent, free, and focused upont the subject of us knowing our selves First which Sun Tzu says is a requirment for victory.
He is about Men seeing themselves for what they truly are so they are not making themselves to fit childish feminist demands of Modern Men for Feminist Women.
He is about Women being seen for what they are, and not being made equals by any means other than their right to go away if the do not like us.
I am on board with him and those who have seen the books I have given out have cried out for more, and leave smiling with release from the angst and constrnation of their lives.
Are you with us?
July 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Doug Powers
Prove that statement please.
July 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Such bitterness toward women. How many of us in past lives were married to Valeria Messalina? Quite a few it would appear.
They’re not all back-stabbing, unfaithful skanks, Claudius.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Correction.
Mass Stream Media
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media
But how do you get people away from TV since it’s free?
July 13th, 2007 at 11:54 am
32, infidel
I had seen the acronym MSM used in MND, but was not sure whatit meant. So I put MSM in compute and among the answers was Wikipesi “Main Stream Media”
Is that correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media
July 13th, 2007 at 11:41 am
“What we need to do is get the message out! ”
There is not a man in existence that dosen’t know he has to crawl across broken glass to make the pussy happy. They all JUST THINK THATS THE WAY THINGS ARE. They don’t need the MESSAGE they know the message backwards and forwards……they need to Change their thinking and their action
July 13th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Virtue said: “We need a fundamental change in thought……this is difficult…..”
I tend to differ. Until I came across this men’s web site and some conservative sites I was mostly clueless to just how far things had gone. The MSM is suppressing the truth about how men’s rights have been taken away. What we need to do is get the message out! Let’s not make it more difficult, philosophically, than it is. Anybody who really believes in freedom, honesty and fairness should be on our side. Those are old ideas. Yet many guys I know are only dimly aware of the situation.
We need to get more people away from the MSM.
Discussion is great, but let’s not get bogged down in “paralysis by analysis”.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Mike LaSalle said,
Virtue – the Men’s Movement cannot adopt the same tactics as the Feministas. It worked for them, but it will not work for us.
This is a battle against an ideology, it is not a battle against the opposite sex.
Misogyny and misandry are equally unwelcome here.
July 13, 2007 at 10:29 am
Mike,
I’m somewhat ambivalent. In all wars (including war between the sexes) there are leaders for movement like Marxist, fascist, feminist etc and then there are foot soldiers who either join like in Civil War or are drafted (mostly in Confederacy)
In Gettysburg it was brother against brother (figuratively one time fellow citizen)
Because it was noble tradition, they marched in ranks across open field. loaded, fired and many fell dead. The opponents were hidden behind rocks and boulders.
How are we going to succeed against feminist with miniscule personel while the opponents have the government, media and public opinion on their side. Lawyers for men refuse to use aggressive tacticts, but feminist have no shame. I agree with you that a large majority of women are good, but fed misinformation and hate-men ideology has through osmosi seeped in
Even if we end in status quo, it’s better than original feminist founders dreamed of.
July 13th, 2007 at 11:12 am
“Virtue – the Men’s Movement cannot adopt the same tactics as the Feministas. It worked for them, but it will not work for us.
This is a battle against an ideology, it is not a battle against the opposite sex.”
You are absolutely correct. It is the system that is the enemy. The legal system, the social system, the cultural system and even our own system of thinking.
One thing that is ABSOLUTE TRUTH from EG……what we have been doing in the past HAS NOT WORKED. A different approach must be taken…..to think that we can make it work this time if only we tweak this or that is foolish.
We need a fundamental change in thought……this is difficult…..are EG’s Ideas the ones we need?….I don’t know yet. But his High level approach to the to the problem helps us identify issues and look for potential solutions……that alone is priceless.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:57 am
So now we’re having a ‘gay chat’? I thought we were just ‘worshiping women’? You guys need to get out more.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Huh? Why is there a gay chat link on the front page? Did I miss something here?
July 13th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Virtue – the Men’s Movement cannot adopt the same tactics as the Feministas. It worked for them, but it will not work for us.
This is a battle against an ideology, it is not a battle against the opposite sex.
Misogyny and misandry are equally unwelcome here.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:26 am
infidel — When a strong, masculine person uses qualification, it’s about being understood. It’s about shifting the focus on penises and vaginas (the literal / material manifestation of gender) to the unseen and unliteral masculine and feminine unseen principles.
But when a weak, feminine person uses qualification, it’s a skeptical attempt to be nice to everyone, stop ideas from moving forward, and trying to turn unseen forces and principles into seen / visible objects.
Siunce most people are weak, I point out the weak majority, and hope that the strong minority goes about its business.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:26 am
Thats What Marc Rudov is talking about when he says we all need to stop paying for pussy.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:23 am
“Women really are the catalyst that determines the destruction of any man’s dreams and aspirations.”
This statement is misogynistic. It’s also untrue.
Most of the women in my life have only enabled my dreams and aspirations.”
Wow you created a website so men can get a word in edgewise about how were all getting screwed over by a rabidly pro female western culture and how we should really push equality and then you go and say the above.
July 13th, 2007 at 10:16 am
America not only has very few prudent, and cautious men to captain our ships….
our captains are hysterically worshiping every whim the siren spouts out…and hence a society of complete chaos, desperation,destruction…
July 13th, 2007 at 10:02 am
MMX, *some* men (note the qualifier) try to assume power through overt dominance.
I’ve had some friends like that. Note the use of the past tense, ‘had’. Their need for control over others is why we are no longer friends. They wanted power/control over me. But since I also wanted control over my own actions (i.e. freedom), we are no longer friends.
Qualification is not about masculine or feminine. It’s about being understood.
Neither overt dominance or sneakiness is the answer. Both are attempts to get power over others. Shouldn’t I resist both attempts to get power over me?
July 13th, 2007 at 9:58 am
there was a reason for this tale to endure the ages…It has a timeless message for our young men…
July 13th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Now the greeks had some folklore about a group of women called the sirens. they lived on an remote island out at sea. As ships would sail past the island the sirens would line up on shore and cry lovingly sweet and seductive crys for help. Hence the term (siren) is sounding the alarm for help. But those men who answered the sirens seductive crys for help ended their voyage and the lives of their men by crashing their ship into the jagged rocks on the shoreline. The sirens would then loot the ships.
Only men who could resist the seductive alluring cries of the siren, were allowed to safely pass by.
sirens are all women..but not all women are sirens!!
July 13th, 2007 at 9:54 am
This statement is so stupid as to be beyond redemption.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:48 am
“He did not say SOME women. In fact he did not qualify the statement at all.”
There is a lot of that going on. Not qualifying things leads to misunderstandings and offenses. We all need to tone down the rhetoric.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:39 am
While christianj’s inflammatory statements aren’t enough to make a man strong and confident, a real man doesn’t need to qualify such statements. This is especially true because “qualification” reflects the feminine insecure principles of conflict avoidance, over-niceness, and perfectionism.
Whereas men try to assume power and control through overt dominance, women are sneaky. And those “Qualifier Police” sure are sneaky.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:57 am
Cons, #11, IF that had occurred I would have been incensed and suggested a damned site more than an apology and explanation. Joy would be off my Christmas card list, that’s for sure. As it was, it didn’t occur and only a maiden name was mentioned, and I focused on the privacy issue. And I am still up for a beer with EG.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:41 am
…and hell hath no fury as a Lady McBeth’s false allegation.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:39 am
the principles of the human nature in the masculine and feminine is the whole of Elder’s work.
So no, it will not be forgotten because all of the events prove his point, even the point of my infection of diseased materialistic thought.
I for one am thankful for learning this as so many others coming out of the wood work who have been lurking.
men around me who see any portion of his book want to borrow it. there is a vacuum of sanity in their lives under the oppression of the feminized thought of the tyrant Mother State everywhere they go.
so much so they only example of men of action freedom and thought are Biker Bars where women are refered to as Bitches.
So even that sole example is twisted out of shape outside of the natural.
rediscovery of our nature is the key to building a sustainable society.
Elder’s point about western society is proved by Freud’s obsession with the Feminine, specifically people’s mothers. the materialistic industrial society of his day sure did magnify the Mat. imbalance that certainly occur post agrarian centralization.
Imbalance brings suffering and disease.
And yes leave it to women to destroy a man’s dreams. Even if she helps him build like Lady McBeth, when she wants the power and control for her ambition it all is taken from the man and destroyed.
80percent divorce initiation. even if it was initiated for unfaithfulness, if women can lie 50 percent of the time about rape they can lie to themselves 100 percent of the time about false allegations of adultery like my ex and then believe it because they he spent so much time and emotional energy lieing to themslves it must be true.
then the lawyer buys it.
then the boyfriend buys it and won’t let the kids feel good about talking to you
then even the autistic child has to buy it because the construct is estabished.
so SK is not misogynistic. He is right. There is a reason why woman was never a sole witness against a man and two witnesses were always required under the law.
It is all about nature, masculine and Femenine
July 13th, 2007 at 8:05 am
conservativation on comment #11: I will grant you that Joy overreacted. Having said that, EG has demonstrated that he is not above petty digs and petulance.
Let’s forgive everyone’s human nature and move on.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:58 am
Yes, of course it is possible. But that is not what christianj said. He did not say SOME women. In fact he did not qualify the statement at all.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:55 am
I missed the entire fray over EG’s alleged outing of Joy. In fact I glossed right over her allegation when I read her piece. As EG states, I read right through the use of the wrong name. Then reading Joys reply I was envisioning some diatribe EG had written whereby he had insulted her lineage or threatened in some way to reveal a recessive gene in her ancestry. I thought about going looking for what I’d missed. But, I’m glad I missed it.
I once had a person on a liberal board put my name and part of my address in a post, warning me to take care in my words….now that’s being outed!
Imagine if due to this error, Joy HAD started digging on EG and posted a bunch of information about him that he’d prefer left unknown in general? What if he had an arrest record (I am being hypothetical here) and she posted that? I ask this to get you all to imagine if you would have reacted with equal venom in exactly this dynamic, where EG makes a mistake, and then suffers consequences undeserved.
It could be interesting to ponder.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:45 am
How about, women can be the catalyst? Possible?
July 13th, 2007 at 7:38 am
“Women really are the catalyst that determines the destruction of any man’s dreams and aspirations.”
This statement is misogynistic. It’s also untrue.
Most of the women in my life have only enabled my dreams and aspirations.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:01 am
As an addendum…
Isn’t it typical that whenever a female is involved in any discussion it goes haywire…
Now we see Elder George having to justify his actions just because another female “felt” aggrieved.
Women really are the catalyst that determines the destruction of any man’s dreams and aspirations.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:57 am
“Why didn’t she call me before she wrote her article and ask me how and why I got her maiden name? What was her motivation to take it public instead?”
She’s a women and has to have the last word, regardless of it’s irrelevance.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Absentmindedness.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
tom of covent garden said,
Lies, Part 2.
Here he goes again….. More critics as usual.
July 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
Give Me Some Truth
John Lennon
I’m sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
I’ve had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
Is gonna mother-hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
Money for dope
Money for rope
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
Is gonna mother-hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
Money for dope
Money for rope
I’m sick to death of seeing things
From tight-lipped, condescending, mama’s little chauvinists
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth now
I’ve had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth
No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
Is gonna mother-hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
It’s money for dope
Money for rope
Ah, I’m sick to death of hearing things
from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now
I’ve had enough of reading things
by neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
***BUMP***
July 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Lies, Part 2.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
thanks E.G.
I would like to add…some men fall under the wheels of the feminist juggernaut and are consumed…
other men with a vital will to live fall under the wheels of the feminist juggernaut, and roll to the side to take aim…
It is about action…
July 12th, 2007 at 10:58 am
I’m in EG!