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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-53974</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

What &quot;transformation?&quot; If you are referring to the Popp case again, you need to take another look, and don&#039;t put so much weight into dicta.   And I never said due process was an &quot;option&quot; for the state.

If seems, you need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &quot;absent parent&quot; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is the case: 

http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument

Also look at South Dakota v. Dole for a primer on State/Federal funding programs. IV-D programs fail every test.  State agencies are not controlled by the feds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>What &#8220;transformation?&#8221; If you are referring to the Popp case again, you need to take another look, and don&#8217;t put so much weight into dicta.   And I never said due process was an &#8220;option&#8221; for the state.</p>
<p>If seems, you need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &#8220;absent parent&#8221; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is the case: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument</a></p>
<p>Also look at South Dakota v. Dole for a primer on State/Federal funding programs. IV-D programs fail every test.  State agencies are not controlled by the feds.</p>
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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-53973</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, 

If you are talking about the Popp case again, you still don&#039;t get it.  Family law was never &quot;transformed&quot; by judicial fiat.  Where do you get that?  You apparently read too much into dicta.  

Anyway, you seem to need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &quot;absent parent&quot; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is the case: 

http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument

Also, you might want to read South Dakota v. Dole for a handle on State/Federal funding programs.  The IV-D program fails every test.  State administrative agencies are not under federal control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, </p>
<p>If you are talking about the Popp case again, you still don&#8217;t get it.  Family law was never &#8220;transformed&#8221; by judicial fiat.  Where do you get that?  You apparently read too much into dicta.  </p>
<p>Anyway, you seem to need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &#8220;absent parent&#8221; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is the case: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument</a></p>
<p>Also, you might want to read South Dakota v. Dole for a handle on State/Federal funding programs.  The IV-D program fails every test.  State administrative agencies are not under federal control.</p>
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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-53972</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

What &quot;transformation?&quot;  And I never said due process was an &quot;option&quot; for the state.

You need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &quot;absent parent&quot; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is the case:
Roger,

What &quot;transformation?&quot;  And I never said due process was an &quot;option&quot; for the state.

You need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &quot;absent parent&quot; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is a link to the case:  

http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument

Also, see South Dakota v. Dole for a primer on State/Federal funding programs.  The IV-D program, as administered, fails every test under this decision.  State IV-D agencies are not under &quot;federal control.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>What &#8220;transformation?&#8221;  And I never said due process was an &#8220;option&#8221; for the state.</p>
<p>You need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &#8220;absent parent&#8221; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is the case:<br />
Roger,</p>
<p>What &#8220;transformation?&#8221;  And I never said due process was an &#8220;option&#8221; for the state.</p>
<p>You need a primer on administrative law and due process.  David Usher has an interesting article today about a Missouri case.  Although he only uses it to illustrate the incredible stupidity of Judge Limbaugh, the case deals with due process and administrative orders.  A similar argument can be made for a collateral challenge of an administrative determination that a father is an &#8220;absent parent&#8221; under the state act enabling enforcement of child support orders in general.  Here is a link to the case:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pubopinions.nsf/0f87ea4ac0ad4c0186256405005d3b8e/536a51a7f299052a862573840050bcb8?OpenDocument</a></p>
<p>Also, see South Dakota v. Dole for a primer on State/Federal funding programs.  The IV-D program, as administered, fails every test under this decision.  State IV-D agencies are not under &#8220;federal control.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-53848</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen is right - right2parent - you are wrong. You still haven&#039;t accounted for the federal court rulings that transformed family law from private issue law to social policy; for the sake of allowing states to profit, thereby corrupting the system. State courts no longer have the option to apply due process in the constitutional meaning - but are restricted to a meaning defined entirely by legislation. The extent to which due process was ever up to states is not just debatable, it is again wrong to think that. Back in the olden days, when the US still existed, the US Constitution dictated to states that due process must apply. Neither state courts nor state legislatures had the power to change that - so only in the sense that states were required to apply due process was it up to them - so to speak. Imagining that due process should be understood to be a state option is wrong in more than one way. As simple administrative units under federal control, states have very little leeway, and certainly not the power to reinstate the federal constitution. One option states have is to dramatically increase state taxes and become more independent of the federal government - and re-establish constitutional rule within a state. That&#039;s not going to happen however - since citizens are still required to pay federal taxes, whether they benefit their state or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen is right &#8211; right2parent &#8211; you are wrong. You still haven&#8217;t accounted for the federal court rulings that transformed family law from private issue law to social policy; for the sake of allowing states to profit, thereby corrupting the system. State courts no longer have the option to apply due process in the constitutional meaning &#8211; but are restricted to a meaning defined entirely by legislation. The extent to which due process was ever up to states is not just debatable, it is again wrong to think that. Back in the olden days, when the US still existed, the US Constitution dictated to states that due process must apply. Neither state courts nor state legislatures had the power to change that &#8211; so only in the sense that states were required to apply due process was it up to them &#8211; so to speak. Imagining that due process should be understood to be a state option is wrong in more than one way. As simple administrative units under federal control, states have very little leeway, and certainly not the power to reinstate the federal constitution. One option states have is to dramatically increase state taxes and become more independent of the federal government &#8211; and re-establish constitutional rule within a state. That&#8217;s not going to happen however &#8211; since citizens are still required to pay federal taxes, whether they benefit their state or not.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-51490</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed , how do we get 50/50  shared custody of my two daughters when mum had told serious lies to judicial system who have been backing the wrong horse ? 

If shared 50/50 was law then kids would win in the situation, however the bullshit parasitic leaches that administer twisted family law would never relinquish control over fathers as they enjoy creating family court file numbers because they some doe rae me to provide a living to pay for the golf club membership and the new BMW . Its the new age business , go to law school and jump on the PAS fractured family gravy train of deceit ! These deluded pious pricks cannot imagine the heartbreak they cause for so many non custodial parents !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed , how do we get 50/50  shared custody of my two daughters when mum had told serious lies to judicial system who have been backing the wrong horse ? </p>
<p>If shared 50/50 was law then kids would win in the situation, however the bullshit parasitic leaches that administer twisted family law would never relinquish control over fathers as they enjoy creating family court file numbers because they some doe rae me to provide a living to pay for the golf club membership and the new BMW . Its the new age business , go to law school and jump on the PAS fractured family gravy train of deceit ! These deluded pious pricks cannot imagine the heartbreak they cause for so many non custodial parents !</p>
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		<title>By: stateVSme</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-50144</link>
		<dc:creator>stateVSme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the information now how can I get 50/50 custody of my daughter if the mom will not agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the information now how can I get 50/50 custody of my daughter if the mom will not agree?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike LaSalle</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49271</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike LaSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WLS - you are a bonafide nitwit. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, here you go, boys and girls, knock yourself out... below find MND&#039;s Google Adsense earning for the last 3 months. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Google Adsense Earnings and Payments Summary:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;May 31 	Earnings (May 1 - May 31) - details 	$634.87&lt;br /&gt;
Jun 30 	Earnings (Jun 1 - Jun 30) - details 	$594.47&lt;br /&gt;
Jul 31 	Earnings (Jul 1 - Jul 31) - details 	$568.50 	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note that our server costs are $415 per month. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note also that, for the past 2 years or so, MND has been my sole source of income - with the exception of occasional web consulting work. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note also that over the past two years or so, I have spent - out of my own pocket - roughly $40,000 in software development exclusively for this site (I will prove it with the canceled checks if someone asks). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note that I still owe the most recent developer (himself an MRA &#039;activist&#039;) over $7000 - of which I am able to pay him $50 per month at this time. (I employed this old, slow and expensive developer right up to the point when my personal finances collapsed. My credit is now trashed and my marriage is under great strain because of it. I have a lot to say about this bitter experience, but will shut up about it for now.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note that last month I asked the MND community to help me out with the August server costs. Note that - at this time - only a handful of kind (and no doubt equally impoverished) people have donated for this month&#039;s server costs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note that I still haven&#039;t covered the August costs, and September is looming.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enjoy yourself, WLS.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLS &#8211; you are a bonafide nitwit. </p>
<p>Okay, here you go, boys and girls, knock yourself out&#8230; below find MND&#8217;s Google Adsense earning for the last 3 months. </p>
<p>Google Adsense Earnings and Payments Summary:</p>
<p>May 31 	Earnings (May 1 &#8211; May 31) &#8211; details 	$634.87<br />
Jun 30 	Earnings (Jun 1 &#8211; Jun 30) &#8211; details 	$594.47<br />
Jul 31 	Earnings (Jul 1 &#8211; Jul 31) &#8211; details 	$568.50 	</p>
<p>Note that our server costs are $415 per month. </p>
<p>Note also that, for the past 2 years or so, MND has been my sole source of income &#8211; with the exception of occasional web consulting work. </p>
<p>Note also that over the past two years or so, I have spent &#8211; out of my own pocket &#8211; roughly $40,000 in software development exclusively for this site (I will prove it with the canceled checks if someone asks). </p>
<p>Note that I still owe the most recent developer (himself an MRA &#8216;activist&#8217;) over $7000 &#8211; of which I am able to pay him $50 per month at this time. (I employed this old, slow and expensive developer right up to the point when my personal finances collapsed. My credit is now trashed and my marriage is under great strain because of it. I have a lot to say about this bitter experience, but will shut up about it for now.)</p>
<p>Note that last month I asked the MND community to help me out with the August server costs. Note that &#8211; at this time &#8211; only a handful of kind (and no doubt equally impoverished) people have donated for this month&#8217;s server costs.</p>
<p>Note that I still haven&#8217;t covered the August costs, and September is looming.</p>
<p>Enjoy yourself, WLS.</p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49262</link>
		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you may be `correct&#039; by fiat in the context of the role-playing-game that&#039;s this blogsite&#039;s business, what you say is useless in confronting the outer, real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you may be `correct&#8217; by fiat in the context of the role-playing-game that&#8217;s this blogsite&#8217;s business, what you say is useless in confronting the outer, real world.</p>
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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49238</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Federal power relies on the spending clause. This program fails every test laid out in South Dakota v. Dole.

The state&#039;s fail to provide a process to allow an accused &quot;absent parent&quot; to contest the designation made on an application for IV-D services.

There is a common mis-conception among attorneys that no-fault divorce changed everything, and natural guardianship is no longer a protected, inalienable right, demanding a strict scrutiny review before it is terminated by the state.

It is also important to keep in mind the difference between civil and administrative law with respect to government intervention. A private action for alimony and support is very different from an administrative action for child support.

Reform has to start with an understanding of fundamental principles intentionally confused by common mis-application of current legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federal power relies on the spending clause. This program fails every test laid out in South Dakota v. Dole.</p>
<p>The state&#8217;s fail to provide a process to allow an accused &#8220;absent parent&#8221; to contest the designation made on an application for IV-D services.</p>
<p>There is a common mis-conception among attorneys that no-fault divorce changed everything, and natural guardianship is no longer a protected, inalienable right, demanding a strict scrutiny review before it is terminated by the state.</p>
<p>It is also important to keep in mind the difference between civil and administrative law with respect to government intervention. A private action for alimony and support is very different from an administrative action for child support.</p>
<p>Reform has to start with an understanding of fundamental principles intentionally confused by common mis-application of current legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49197</link>
		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably agree with your aims, but differ in assessing the current state of the law and how reform must be approached.   It seems to me it would be instructive to debate the details---as I recall I addressed federal power, the power of the states as it currently sits in statute and case law, and the irrelevance of no-fault---but evidently the management saw something offensive in it.   Previously this meant conflicting with its financial interests, but this time I&#039;m baffled as to precisely what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably agree with your aims, but differ in assessing the current state of the law and how reform must be approached.   It seems to me it would be instructive to debate the details&#8212;as I recall I addressed federal power, the power of the states as it currently sits in statute and case law, and the irrelevance of no-fault&#8212;but evidently the management saw something offensive in it.   Previously this meant conflicting with its financial interests, but this time I&#8217;m baffled as to precisely what.</p>
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		<title>By: veritas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49195</link>
		<dc:creator>veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right to parent..
WLS, I didn&#039;t know anything was deleted here.

WLS seems to be playing out this fantasy world where things he says are so important that they get immediatelly cencored!!..just go allong with it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right to parent..<br />
WLS, I didn&#8217;t know anything was deleted here.</p>
<p>WLS seems to be playing out this fantasy world where things he says are so important that they get immediatelly cencored!!..just go allong with it!!</p>
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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49187</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WLS, I didn&#039;t know anything was deleted here. I&#039;m just trying to address the legal argument concerning jurisdiction. The state has no power to interfere with your natural guardianship rights without cause. Society&#039;s acceptance of this usurpation is indeed a problem. It must be addressed before any meaningful reform of &quot;family law&quot; can take place. I&#039;m not trying to blow you off. If you want me to address something specific, just ask or email me: right2parent@thebestisp.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLS, I didn&#8217;t know anything was deleted here. I&#8217;m just trying to address the legal argument concerning jurisdiction. The state has no power to interfere with your natural guardianship rights without cause. Society&#8217;s acceptance of this usurpation is indeed a problem. It must be addressed before any meaningful reform of &#8220;family law&#8221; can take place. I&#8217;m not trying to blow you off. If you want me to address something specific, just ask or email me: <a href="mailto:right2parent@thebestisp.com">right2parent@thebestisp.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-49048</link>
		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought we had a dialogue going, right2parent: what do you say?   Did you read my response before it was deleted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we had a dialogue going, right2parent: what do you say?   Did you read my response before it was deleted?</p>
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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48907</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WLS,
The states respond that the federal government makes us do it. However, the states are responsible for due process, and the feds violate the spending clause when they make funding contingent on states violating their own constitutions.

It&#039;s true that state law rests on parens patriae power, but that power does not extend to families who are not in need. That would be about 80% of the cases.

This power is also invoked in a custody adjudication. That&#039;s where you have to understand what right is being violated by courts taking charge of children under state ward legislation without questioning the current status of the father as the head of the household. No-fault divorce does not determine his fitness to continue acting as his children&#039;s natural guardian. It only disolves the marriage. The proceeding MAY include a custody determination, but that IS dependent on fault.

A woman abandoning her family for no-fault has no right to custody, and no right to support. Both are dependent on facts that led to the dissolution. A no-fault petition is insufficient if it asks for custody and support without claiming the father is unfit and has failed in his responsibilities as a husband and father. It&#039;s not a policy question. It&#039;s a legal one. 

Justice Parker wrote an excellent opinion in Alabama recently, discussing state intervention. Find it here: http://www.bradleyarant.com/publications_opinions.cfm?ID=3661 Look to page 66.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLS,<br />
The states respond that the federal government makes us do it. However, the states are responsible for due process, and the feds violate the spending clause when they make funding contingent on states violating their own constitutions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that state law rests on parens patriae power, but that power does not extend to families who are not in need. That would be about 80% of the cases.</p>
<p>This power is also invoked in a custody adjudication. That&#8217;s where you have to understand what right is being violated by courts taking charge of children under state ward legislation without questioning the current status of the father as the head of the household. No-fault divorce does not determine his fitness to continue acting as his children&#8217;s natural guardian. It only disolves the marriage. The proceeding MAY include a custody determination, but that IS dependent on fault.</p>
<p>A woman abandoning her family for no-fault has no right to custody, and no right to support. Both are dependent on facts that led to the dissolution. A no-fault petition is insufficient if it asks for custody and support without claiming the father is unfit and has failed in his responsibilities as a husband and father. It&#8217;s not a policy question. It&#8217;s a legal one. </p>
<p>Justice Parker wrote an excellent opinion in Alabama recently, discussing state intervention. Find it here: <a href="http://www.bradleyarant.com/publications_opinions.cfm?ID=3661" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradleyarant.com/publications_opinions.cfm?ID=3661</a> Look to page 66.</p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48891</link>
		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most alarming and daunting part is that society on the whole seems to be accepting it and regarding being in the IV-D system as normal and necessary---neither of which are in most cases actually true.   

However, it&#039;s not a conspiracy launched on high by Big Brother, it&#039;s the bureaucrats and other petty interests herding the sheep.

Separating couples need to be educated that they don&#039;t have to have a wage assignment---and hence pay through the SDU---and unless the mother receives TANF or the children AFDC-FC, they certainly don&#039;t need to be and most likely won&#039;t benefit from being a case with the IV-D agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most alarming and daunting part is that society on the whole seems to be accepting it and regarding being in the IV-D system as normal and necessary&#8212;neither of which are in most cases actually true.   </p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s not a conspiracy launched on high by Big Brother, it&#8217;s the bureaucrats and other petty interests herding the sheep.</p>
<p>Separating couples need to be educated that they don&#8217;t have to have a wage assignment&#8212;and hence pay through the SDU&#8212;and unless the mother receives TANF or the children AFDC-FC, they certainly don&#8217;t need to be and most likely won&#8217;t benefit from being a case with the IV-D agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48889</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I suggest screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law?

I do, but I sure would like some accompanyment from this choir!

As for those who profit of it, they are no better than IG Farbin employees and stockholders who profited off the German government&#039;s purchases of ZyKlon B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I suggest screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law?</p>
<p>I do, but I sure would like some accompanyment from this choir!</p>
<p>As for those who profit of it, they are no better than IG Farbin employees and stockholders who profited off the German government&#8217;s purchases of ZyKlon B.</p>
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		<title>By: mruffolo</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48881</link>
		<dc:creator>mruffolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Child support is a big business.

In 2005, $3.5 billion in Federal funding was provided to states.  In 2006, $3.9 billion.

The total caseload (read: families) is 15.9 million.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/opa/fact_sheets/cse_factsheet.html


Child support enforcement provides jobs and money for the government, specifically: 

• State, Tribal, and local Child Support Enforcement agencies; 
• Courts, law enforcement agencies, and other entities operating under cooperative agreements with child support enforcement agencies; and, 
• The Federal Office of Child Support
• Other components of Federal, State, and local government such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF/Title IV-A), Medicaid (Title XIX), State Child Health Insurance Program (SCHIP/Title XXI), child welfare (including Title IV-E and Indian Child Welfare Act) agencies, and non-IV-D State and Tribal agencies that provide Child Support Enforcement 
services, Bureaus of Vital Records, Departments of Corrections; and 
• Related Federal government agencies that work on particular aspects of the program such as the Departments of Labor, State, Treasury, and the Social Security Administration. 

Child support enforcement provides jobs and money for the marketplace, specifically:

• Employers, financial institutions, hospitals, the insurance community, program contractors; 
• Family law practitioners, private collection agencies (PCA), public prosecutors, and Tribal court advocates. 

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/pubs/2004/Strategic_Plan_FY2005-2009.pdf

All work for divorced women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Child support is a big business.</p>
<p>In 2005, $3.5 billion in Federal funding was provided to states.  In 2006, $3.9 billion.</p>
<p>The total caseload (read: families) is 15.9 million.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.acf.hhs.gov/opa/fact_sheets/cse_factsheet.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.acf.hhs.gov/opa/fact_sheets/cse_factsheet.html</a></p>
<p>Child support enforcement provides jobs and money for the government, specifically: </p>
<p>• State, Tribal, and local Child Support Enforcement agencies;<br />
• Courts, law enforcement agencies, and other entities operating under cooperative agreements with child support enforcement agencies; and,<br />
• The Federal Office of Child Support<br />
• Other components of Federal, State, and local government such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF/Title IV-A), Medicaid (Title XIX), State Child Health Insurance Program (SCHIP/Title XXI), child welfare (including Title IV-E and Indian Child Welfare Act) agencies, and non-IV-D State and Tribal agencies that provide Child Support Enforcement<br />
services, Bureaus of Vital Records, Departments of Corrections; and<br />
• Related Federal government agencies that work on particular aspects of the program such as the Departments of Labor, State, Treasury, and the Social Security Administration. </p>
<p>Child support enforcement provides jobs and money for the marketplace, specifically:</p>
<p>• Employers, financial institutions, hospitals, the insurance community, program contractors;<br />
• Family law practitioners, private collection agencies (PCA), public prosecutors, and Tribal court advocates. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/pubs/2004/Strategic_Plan_FY2005-2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/pubs/2004/Strategic_Plan_FY2005-2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>All work for divorced women.</p>
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		<title>By: mruffolo</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48879</link>
		<dc:creator>mruffolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baskerville writes the truth.

Our Federal government provides up to $4.1 billion to States that establish support Orders, collect on amount due, and create arrearages (See 6B, 6C, &amp; 6D)

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Baskerville writes the truth.

Our Federal government provides up to $4.1 billion to States that establish support orders, collect on amount due, and create arrearages (See 6B, 6C, &amp; 6D).

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm

Feminists politicians take money from senior&#039;s retirement (Social Security) to fund their campaign of hate against fathers. 

Further, how do they intend to pay the back the money they took?

Feminists take money from senior&#039;s retirement (Social Security) to fund their campaign of hate against fathers. 

Further, how do they intend to pay the back the money they took?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baskerville writes the truth.</p>
<p>Our Federal government provides up to $4.1 billion to States that establish support Orders, collect on amount due, and create arrearages (See 6B, 6C, &amp; 6D)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Baskerville" rel="nofollow">http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Baskerville</a> writes the truth.</p>
<p>Our Federal government provides up to $4.1 billion to States that establish support orders, collect on amount due, and create arrearages (See 6B, 6C, &amp; 6D).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm</a></p>
<p>Feminists politicians take money from senior&#8217;s retirement (Social Security) to fund their campaign of hate against fathers. </p>
<p>Further, how do they intend to pay the back the money they took?</p>
<p>Feminists take money from senior&#8217;s retirement (Social Security) to fund their campaign of hate against fathers. </p>
<p>Further, how do they intend to pay the back the money they took?</p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48869</link>
		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Title IV-D is in principle an `elective&#039; program for the states, permitted under the ``spending&#039;&#039; power constitutionally allocated the federal government.  The dirty work is done by the states under state law, which rests on established family law and parens patriae notions of long-standing.

It should be opposed as unwise policy: that it&#039;s a socially destrictive, ill-conceived boondoggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Title IV-D is in principle an `elective&#8217; program for the states, permitted under the &#8220;spending&#8221; power constitutionally allocated the federal government.  The dirty work is done by the states under state law, which rests on established family law and parens patriae notions of long-standing.</p>
<p>It should be opposed as unwise policy: that it&#8217;s a socially destrictive, ill-conceived boondoggle.</p>
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		<title>By: right2parent</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/07/18/welfare-funding-obstructs-shared-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-48863</link>
		<dc:creator>right2parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing.
There is nothing wrong with IV-D legislation if it is correctly interpreted. It just isn&#039;t profitable for the states. If a responsible parent is not supporting a child that is thereby forced to seek public assistance, the state has an interest in collecting the amount that was promissed or the amount expended by the state. No more than that. The guidelines have the state obligation as a basis, not a father&#039;s income. That&#039;s another story, however, I&#039;d be glad to share later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing.<br />
There is nothing wrong with IV-D legislation if it is correctly interpreted. It just isn&#8217;t profitable for the states. If a responsible parent is not supporting a child that is thereby forced to seek public assistance, the state has an interest in collecting the amount that was promissed or the amount expended by the state. No more than that. The guidelines have the state obligation as a basis, not a father&#8217;s income. That&#8217;s another story, however, I&#8217;d be glad to share later.</p>
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