Male Responsibility
Issues of marriage and divorce maintain high interest among MND readers whenever they appear in articles, and relationships between men and women probably concern us more than anything else—at least on a subjective level—because humankind would cease to exist without that relationship, although in our materially oriented self indulgent society it tends to occupy little space in our conscious minds—a very unfortunate and negative condition.
This condition has created a dissatisfaction on the part of the marriage minded American male with members of the opposite sex and has motivated him to look for a wife elsewhere. After World War II American soldiers brought back wives from Germany, Italy and Japan, because he thought women from those countries knew how to treat a man. After the Korean War our soldiers came back with Koran wives for the same reasons, then Vietnamese wives after out war in Vietnam. One of my American readers lives in Siberia, because that is where women still know how to treat a man; and another has thoughts of moving to the Philippines because women there still know how to treat a man. Now that the most of the world has been Westernized and no longer trains women to be wives and mothers, the American man has become angry and he displays his anger by not getting married. He’s showing everybody. He tends not to realize that the anger comes from the conditions he himself created.
The feminine principle acts through women equally all over the world; it manifests differently according to how women are raised and trained. The feminine principle is receptive, and working through women causes them to be adaptable, responsive and accommodating. If they are not accommodating to the American male, then he is not doing his job.
At this point I say to all women who read this article, regardless of your political or religious persuasion, whatever is wrong in society, men are responsible for it. They have created this mess. Feminism, increased government intrusion into our private lives, and the emasculation of men are all symptoms of the materialistic value structure of Western society. Show compassion for men, but don’t let them off the hook of responsibility. They and only they can make change. Motivate them.
Nothing in this universe happens by accident. “Whatever a man sows he shall also reap,” is a great fundamental teaching. We make excuses for our condition, and that is all that they are—excuses. It is the unseen that controls the seen.
Western man continues to revert to the past to solve all present day issues that came about as a result of what he did in the past. He laments that “we can’t return to our original constitutional government.” Madison, Jefferson, and Adams all rued what they had created. What they created brought us our present mess. The Constitution was no different than the government of the city-states created by the Greeks 2,500 years earlier. It didn’t work for the Greeks and the Constitution didn’t work for us.
Perhaps I am not being sensitive enough to the issue of dumping what we have been accustomed to for in the words of Alberto Moravia, “There is no greater suffering for man than to feel his cultural foundation giving way beneath his feet.” Our cultural foundation is indeed giving way beneath our feet, and while it hurts, it is what we need to rebuild society. “A man must be reborn” applies to all change.
We need to stop looking without for materialistic solutions and instead must look within for spiritual solutions. Author Elaine Pagels quotes Jesus in the Gnostic Gospels as follows, “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
As men we have to bring forth what is within us. We must realize our inherent power. In all my writings I have never suggested governmental action or suggested which party to vote for. The only thing that I have called for is action by men. One of the early steps of this action is to rid us of our materialistic values and open ourselves up to the truth that is within, which is why I developed the male Enlightenment and Empowerment seminar. Only when we realize the knowledge and power within us will we be able to make change.
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July 29th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
MMX (#41) said: “I know amfortas supports you, but he had his objections to Elder’s message way before you came along. Ditto for Mike LaSalle. So who’s left?”
Now that says a lot. I’d rather have the support of those two men than all the EGists in the world.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
SK, if you want to cast off feminism, do something practical like send out fliers.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
SK, why be liberated from one ideology to be enslaved to another? The point is we don’t need EG to be liberated from the feminists. Are any of the good points he has made original? Or are they original only to those who have not read much?
July 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
infidel..This brand of indoctrination may lead to liberation!!
E.G. steadfastly insists that when the voice of the father is silenced..chaos fallows!!
he is helping men cast off 50 years of femi-fascist anti-male indoctrination!! And some are quite adamant that he continue!!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
SK, # 44, if my criticisms were futile I don’t think EGists would be trying to discourage me by saying my posts are futile. So I don’t believe that, no matter how many EGists say that they do.
SK, I am not censoring anything, and I don’t think I’m creating hysteria.
Not everyone has deaf ears. Not everyone is a devout EGist.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
MMX, (#41) I’m not running a popularity contest, but you’ve omitted many who have placed posts in disagreement with EG. Even for this article alone there are others than those you mentioned.
Ebjjs, post #9: “crock of shit”
Thom, post #25: “I disagree with your message.”
If I want to help some people see that EG’s messages contain a lot of nonsense, that’s my choice. I don’t expect to convince the indoctrinated, however.
By the way, some of your arguments are so bad they are not worth refuting because I think most people will see right through them.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
infidel..youre attempts to censor..and create anti E.G. hysteria seem to be quite futile, and falling on deaf ears!!
July 29th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
MMX, # 41, you are twisting things.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Thurston # 40, that’s your interpretation.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
infidel – “MMX, I’m sure that any rational person following this argument has picked up a lot of good points from my posts.”
Would you let Elder, Thurston, or me get away with any statement that begins, “I’m sure that…”? Or would you use this as yet another example of our irrational leaps of faith?
“If you don’t think I’m doing EGism a lot of damage, why do you keep trying to get rid of me? Are you being honest when you ask ‘Honestly’, as if you really think nobody has listened to any of my comments? I think you know better.”
Do you let Elder, Thurston, or me get away with any attempt to read into your motives? Of course not. So why should I let you get away with the unsupportive statement that I’m “trying to get rid of you”?
Do I know any better? How can I know at all!? The only evidence I see is man after man saying, “Infidel, you’re being annoying.” or “infidel, please read more carefully.” or “Elder, I wish more men were like you. (Note, she didn’t seay she wishes more men were like infidel.)
It’s not that I want to get rid of you, but look around dude. You think you’re making headway, but so far you’ve offered only the assumption that armies of people are listening to you and agreeing with you.
I know amfortas supports you, but he had his objections to Elder’s message way before you came along. Ditto for Mike LaSalle. So who’s left?
July 29th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Inf- actually you are the deceiver here. For if you followed the instructions and teaching of yeshua you would have followed the instruction that wtexas did.
The instruction is that when a people of a place will not accept the message, go outside of town and blow the dust off your feet. Then go to the next town.
He also told them to bring the message in the spirit of love. All you have is the spirit of Hell.
You have now been asked nicely to go away and rebuked with yours own discipline which you refuse to follow. You are exposed and thus in you hypocrisy all of your prior words are rendered quite suspect.
I would send you off with hopes that you find peace to reign in your life, but I see you prefer Hell far too mch for that to be an option.
“Your a sad and strange little man, you have my pity: – Buzz Lightyear
July 29th, 2007 at 10:24 am
EG said: “You comments in general focus on the picture and not the point, and that’s why you seem to be so upset. Your icons are falling down around you; stamping your feet and calling people names only shows your frustration with that reality”
EG the pop psychologist has analyzed me. Well, he’s no Freud, that’s for sure.
I’m not stamping my feet. But I do call fools fools. EGists are so obstinate and evasive one often has to deal bluntly with them so THEY get the ‘point’.
EG, what are my icons that are falling down around me? I don’t see any icons of mine falling. What I see is your arguments falling.
Now let me analyze you, since you analyzed me: Your evasiveness is the result of your feminine insecurities and you are too upset to think of a logical response so you stomp your feet in denial that your icons are falling all around you. Then you cry and write another article to console yourself instead of facing the questions. This shows your frustration with that reality.
See, I can play psychologist too.
July 29th, 2007 at 3:26 am
If everyone here just agreed with whatever anyone else says, no matter how nutty or wrong or wicked, and then just got on with screwing the system, heck, we’d be as powerful as the femonazis.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:45 am
EG said: “If the saying resonates within you does it matter who said it?”
What if someone put words in your mouth that you don’t agree with, did not say, and which contradicted your teachings? They might resonate with some people pretty well, but would you still say it doesn’t matter who said it?
July 29th, 2007 at 2:36 am
Abaddon, how saddening your perspective really is.
July 29th, 2007 at 1:22 am
Infidel,
How saddening your perspective really is.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
MMX, I’m sure that any rational person following this argument has picked up a lot of good points from my posts.
If you don’t think I’m doing EGism a lot of damage, why do you keep trying to get rid of me? Are you being honest when you ask ‘Honestly’, as if you really think nobody has listened to any of my comments? I think you know better.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
infidel – “Well, Thuston, if that’s the way you perceive it, just bear in mind that I’m dealing with some pretty obstinate people here and it takes a lot to get through to them.”
On a scale of 1 through 100, how much do you think any of your comments have gotten through to anyone? Honestly.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
Thruston said: “Inf, you have reached belligerent clanging bell status.”
Well, Thuston, if that’s the way you perceive it, just bear in mind that I’m dealing with some pretty obstinate people here and it takes a lot to get through to them.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Thurston said: “Really, if such is the case, you should not be here.”
Thurston, if you think EG should go unchallenged, then YOU should not be here.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Thurston, re # 24. Sounds like you have not moved on since you are sneaking in another comment about the “Stalinist” leadership, as you call it, once again.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
EG said: “Your comment # 11 is a validation of my essay Pictures and Points. You went to great lengths to challenge the messenger but gave no heed to the message.”
What I challenge is your nonsense. And you and your followers have repeatedly side-stepped those challenges.
July 28th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
EG said: “I don’t quote from sources to “prove” anything. If the saying resonates within you does it matter who said it?”
Of course it matters who said it. If you don’t think it matters then why bother to give names. You are trying to have it both ways. You are a deceiver.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Hi Thom,
If you understood my message any better you could start writing my articles.
Just remember that the action you take must be outside of the system, as you so accurately stated too many things are already in place–they are not readily changed.
Stay with it.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Yes Tom you get it, but you seem to agree with it more than you know.
You cliam the short attention span is in the way of corrective action.
Elder points out that Men need to rediscover their true nature in order to make that change. Men of True Nature will draw women as allies for they are disaffected by the governmental insanity as well, just not to the same degree.
Teh change still must be within Men so taht they do not propose the same type of solutions that have caused this disease.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
I disagree with your message. I am a child of the 80s. A lot of what I was raised to believe about feminism seemed perfectly reasonable. As a young man, I learned of the glass ceiling and why it was a problem. I learned of the 79% on the dollar which again seemed reasonable. Both were injustices that needed to be addressed, someone I feel any reasonable man would agree with.
The trouble is, both the glass ceiling and the wage gap are complete and total lies. Yet after these lies were exposed, policy was already in place: and the public’s short attention span would not allow for a change.
Now as a man who is coming into his own, I have seen the domestic violence lies and now the child abuse lies. Yet in each of these lies there is just enough truth in them so that the lies could not be out-right dismissed. What are good, thinking men supposed to do, assume every study by a woman is a lie?
I understand your message, that we men are responsible for this mess, I get it. And now it falls to my generation to fix it. It is my hope men like me can do it. Because if we can’t, in the future political correctness will cost us much more than high child support payments. Europe is our future, one where rapes and bombings apparently are starting to become the norm.
So regardless of who’s fault it is, it is up to men to take action and change things.
July 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
One other thing Inf. Mr. LaSalle has already noted his displeasure in your exaserbation of the bickering at Eldge’s prior Blog.
If you are not approaching your Comment #1 with a thumbs up or down, then you are making comment #2 approach asking questions and seeking understanding.
Otherwise, what are you doing here?
Really, if such is the case, you should not be here.
(P.S. In regards to my past, I was exposing subtle and important signs of duplicious and stalinistic behavior in leadership. That being made clear my point is made and I have moved on since I made the point even for the thick.)
July 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Inf- so you feel resolutely justified in judging others and ceaselessly attacking.
That is not the Yeshua that I read about. Certainly such has its place and time, but after looking around MND and the alleged leaders here, this is as sane as you can hope to find right now.
At least with Elder there are no subjects like the 19th Amendment and Extra Constitutional Rights for Homo’s to show that one must fit into the false construct of the Leader in order to be a non-”Nutjob.”
So do take your misery and judgmentalism somewhere else where men want to continue going down the same road all of the other roadkill have traveled for the past 40 years.
You provide no options or solutions, so go find a bar somewhere to rant.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:34 am
To infidel,
I make this response to your comment #11 not because I expect it to move you, but for the benefit of the many other readers.
Your comment # 11 is a validation of my essay Pictures and Points. You went to great lengths to challenge the messenger but gave no heed to the message. I don’t quote from sources to “prove” anything. If the saying resonates within you does it matter who said it?
I once read some of the teachings of Quetzalcoatl; they sounded like they came out of the Bible. Does the fact that they didn’t make them less meaningful?
You comments in general focus on the picture and not the point, and that’s why you seem to be so upset. Your icons are falling down around you; stamping your feet and calling people names only shows your frustration with that reality.
Focus on the point, infidel, and give it some time. You’re not taking a multiple choice test that requires immediate response.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:41 am
Thuston, re # 18, EGists and heretics are not my “brothers” in that sense.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:39 am
Abaddon (#13). Interesting name. What does it mean? Where does it come from?
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/abaddon.htm
This link says:
1) REVELATION 9:11 They have as king over them, the angel of the Abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon. (NASU)
2) Abaddon and Apollyon both mean “destroyer.” Who is this ruling spirit called the “Destroyer,” …
It shouldn’t surprise us if someone calling himself Destroyer takes a position like that in #13.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:32 am
infidel said,
But feminism won’t go away just because men change. The women have to change too.
Wanna Bet?
If you don’t believe that a complete change of thought and action on the part of all men in western culture could bring about the absolute end of feminist related everything then your delusional.
Think about it…..think about how our physical and cultural infrastructure works whats necessary to maintain it….think it through and look at all the interrelated consequences.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:28 am
Any one who does not know the word heresy originally meant Oof ones own thought” which G-D apparently values as he is quoted “come let us reason together.”
Inf, you have reached belligerent clanging bell status.
I suggest that your attitude of calling people idiots is the same as what Jesus pointed our that those who call thei brother fool will be held inaccount for their life.
You have placed youself under direct judgment. Your belligerence coupled with that makes you appear wholly arrogant as if you have Hell to place people in as you play GOD.
Having no such place you then have made your own world your HELL.
Now kindly go away and repent so some might share your world with you in the future, after you stop making it a HELL for those around and in contact with you.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:28 am
Abaddon said: “Much of what E.G. says cannot be … argued with.”
Rubbish.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:24 am
EG said: “At this point I say to all women … whatever is wrong in society, men are responsible for it.”
If that’s not kissing female butt, then I don’t know what is.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:02 am
Anybody stupid enough to fail to recognize gnosticism as heresy is an idiot.
But the real issue is EG’s integrity. To use writings that are hostile to Christ’s message and quote them as if Christ was supporting EG’s views is DISHONEST. That makes EG a LIAR. Get it? And people who defend his lies are also idiots and/or LIARS. Get it?
July 28th, 2007 at 12:32 am
Interesting how Inf mentions a Church.
After meetng E.G. i have wondered why the Protestants just did not align with Orthodox Chrisitanity rather than bickering with the Universalits.
Wonder how things would have gone had they returned to their Greek and Middle Eastern Roots and sought covering of Church there, instead of Protesting the Corrupt?
I have no belief in any Churches of American or Roman Origin. It is all self serving rebellion to G-D. Heck bunches of them are teaching from “The Secret” so what is the point in attacking Elder trying to point out something about the proper function and alignment of what you are in what your daily actions are?
Some have ears to hear, some just pisseth against Neamiah’s Wall as they are busy building their own homes.
We care not for the Materialists. They have neither eyes nor ears, so their hands and feet never go in the right direction save by chance.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
In my view, what society lacks is balance. With power comes responsibility as the saying goes. The problem with the current system is that Men are for the most part, held responsible yet they have no actual power. Which in itself is a paradox. Women complain when Men reject the the whole idea in itself, they simply don’t understand it or they do, and that in itself is a pretty sickening idea to me.
As to the statement of Gnosis and Christianity: While I am not a theologian or a christian for that matter, I find that enlightenment does come from within. I think that many people have preached that concept since the begining of recorded history. What is the difference if Jesus did or didn’t? I would think that he probably did. He seems to have been an enlightened man. Why did many of the prophets in the Bible spend large periods of time alone in the wilderness? To be alone, to either hear the word of god, or to meditate.
Whether or not a temporal authority recognizes it, doesn’t make it any less true. Many people seem to have problems understanding themselves and others because they simply don’t have or take the time too do so. Why do you think that meditation was invented/discovered? I don’t do it, however I can see why some would. You all fight amongst each other, yet why are you here in the first place? Sure I disagree with some of what E.G. says, however in my view his message contains Truth within it. Why are we squabbling amongst each other? Accept the differences between each others thoughts, recognize that we all have a common thread, and MOVE ON.
For those that dissent, what is the point? Much of what E.G. says cannot be “proven” at this point and time. It cannot be argued with. You either agree or you don’t. It’s pretty simple actually. You either get it or you don’t.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
EG said: “At this point I say to all women who read this article, regardless of your political or religious persuasion, whatever is wrong in society, men are responsible for it.”
EG, yes women are more responsive, but you put too much blame on the men. The feminists have been lying through their teeth, so they share a large part of the blame. But we can’t expect women to fix the problems; men have to take the lead in that.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
EG, the gnostic gospels are not accepted by the churches as part of the standard biblical canon. In fact, they are considered heretical teachings, so why do you quote them as if they were the words of Christ? Once again, you are misrepresenting another religion to promote your own.
It’s dishonest to misquote Christ to support your mysticism, since Christ was not a mystic or a gnostic. This is not the first time you’ve pulled that dishonest stunt either.
You are sounding more and more like an Eastern religious leader all the time, yet you don’t seem to want to admit it.
The Wiki at this link connects gnosticism to Eastern religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels
From the wiki:
The name “Christian gnostics” came to represent a segment of the early Christian community which believed that salvation lay not in merely worshipping Christ, but in psychic or pneumatic souls learning to free themselves from the material world via the revelation.[4] According to this tradition, the answers to spiritual questions are to be found within not without.[2] Furthermore, the gnostic path does not require the intermediation of a church for salvation. Some scholars, such as Edward Conze and Elaine Pagels, have suggested that gnosticism blends teachings like those attributed to Jesus Christ with teachings found in Eastern traditions.[1]
Here is another source on gnosticism:
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/gnostic-christianity-faq.htm
It says this:
Let us look at what Gnosticism Christianity is before we figure out what the Bible has to say about the topic. First of all, Gnosticism is NOT Christianity. Gnostics proclaim God is both man and woman; Mary Magdalene is elevated to the status of the first and greatest Apostle, and is Jesus’ wife and divine companion.
Gnosticism goes back centuries before the Christian era, possibly as early as the fifth Century, B.C. A belief system developed in ancient Syria and Persia that held salvation of the soul could be achieved by attaining a deep, mystic, and divine knowledge. According to their beliefs, humans are divided into a three-tiered hierarchy. Those possessing this knowledge, or gnosis, were a superior form of human being whose present and future destiny were not intertwined with those humans, that, for whatever reason, did not “know.” Those humans too influenced by matter were doomed, and somewhere in between were those who did not yet possess the gnosis, but could yet be saved.
Rather than believe in the good of creation, Gnostics regarded matter and, in fact, the whole universe, to be a defilement of the deity — the god of light/spirit. They taught that the ultimate end would be to overcome matter and be reunited with the parent spirit and realm of light/energy. This would not be achieved by submission to God’s laws or through grace (God’s forgiveness of man’s sins) by acceptance of the living Christ — the Son of God and Redeemer. Redemption or salvation would occur by awakening the sleeping gnosis (knowledge/wisdom) or “God within” — through deep thoughts, reflection, and meditation thereby freeing the good spirit imprisoned within the evil physical body.
Gnosticism spread to Egypt during the 2nd and 3rd centuries, A.D. They presented a major challenge to orthodox Christianity. Can we say Gnostic Christianity is claimed within the pages of the Bible? Most Gnostic sects professed Christianity, but their belief sharply diverged from those of the majority of Christians in the early church. Those who did not believe the virgin birth, Jesus was the Son of God, Jesus was resurrected to Heaven, Jesus was the Creator, or that Jesus made atonement for our sins. I would say no, we couldn’t, because the Bible clearly lays claim to the above statements.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
infidel..#8..we don’t agree on much..but I will (reluctantly) concur with#8..
heres the deal..you temper the vile/nasty/brutish feminist crowd..
And I will help liberate the males from their psychological castration!!
deal???
July 27th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Another crock of shit from the addle-brained that seem to be emerging from the John Edwards university of idiocy. Why can’t men simply be men without all the pre-conditions?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
But feminism won’t go away just because men change. The women have to change too.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Sc567, re #6. Good post. Hey, we actually agree on something. Men need to take the lead.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Guess through who? By whose leading and inspirating?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
EG said: “When we change our thinking and act as men, feminism will wilt and disappear.”
The women need to change their thinking too.
SK, if one of us is a simpleton, it’s not me.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
infidel..where have you been my simpleton little friend???
E.G. You have a point there!!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
EG said: “Feminism didn’t hatch out from under a rock in the woods; it developed from our thinking.”
EG, if it developed from your thinking, then you are a feminist. So blame yourself.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
To scottkirk,
Feminism didn’t hatch out from under a rock in the woods; it developed from our thinking. When we change our thinking and act as men, feminism will wilt and disappear.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:57 am
E.G. you can’t blame it all on the men..
the moden gender femi-nazi has divided father and son, has effectivelly broken all male social networks…and has created a broken culture of slave males who are given constant propaganda to keep them in shame so they keep their heads down while working themselves to an early death!!