Male Responsibility
Issues of marriage and divorce maintain high interest among MND readers whenever they appear in articles, and relationships between men and women probably concern us more than anything else—at least on a subjective level—because humankind would cease to exist without that relationship, although in our materially oriented self indulgent society it tends to occupy little space in our conscious minds—a very unfortunate and negative condition.
This condition has created a dissatisfaction on the part of the marriage minded American male with members of the opposite sex and has motivated him to look for a wife elsewhere. After World War II American soldiers brought back wives from Germany, Italy and Japan, because he thought women from those countries knew how to treat a man. After the Korean War our soldiers came back with Koran wives for the same reasons, then Vietnamese wives after out war in Vietnam. One of my American readers lives in Siberia, because that is where women still know how to treat a man; and another has thoughts of moving to the Philippines because women there still know how to treat a man. Now that the most of the world has been Westernized and no longer trains women to be wives and mothers, the American man has become angry and he displays his anger by not getting married. He’s showing everybody. He tends not to realize that the anger comes from the conditions he himself created.
The feminine principle acts through women equally all over the world; it manifests differently according to how women are raised and trained. The feminine principle is receptive, and working through women causes them to be adaptable, responsive and accommodating. If they are not accommodating to the American male, then he is not doing his job.
At this point I say to all women who read this article, regardless of your political or religious persuasion, whatever is wrong in society, men are responsible for it. They have created this mess. Feminism, increased government intrusion into our private lives, and the emasculation of men are all symptoms of the materialistic value structure of Western society. Show compassion for men, but don’t let them off the hook of responsibility. They and only they can make change. Motivate them.
Nothing in this universe happens by accident. “Whatever a man sows he shall also reap,” is a great fundamental teaching. We make excuses for our condition, and that is all that they are—excuses. It is the unseen that controls the seen.
Western man continues to revert to the past to solve all present day issues that came about as a result of what he did in the past. He laments that “we can’t return to our original constitutional government.” Madison, Jefferson, and Adams all rued what they had created. What they created brought us our present mess. The Constitution was no different than the government of the city-states created by the Greeks 2,500 years earlier. It didn’t work for the Greeks and the Constitution didn’t work for us.
Perhaps I am not being sensitive enough to the issue of dumping what we have been accustomed to for in the words of Alberto Moravia, “There is no greater suffering for man than to feel his cultural foundation giving way beneath his feet.” Our cultural foundation is indeed giving way beneath our feet, and while it hurts, it is what we need to rebuild society. “A man must be reborn” applies to all change.
We need to stop looking without for materialistic solutions and instead must look within for spiritual solutions. Author Elaine Pagels quotes Jesus in the Gnostic Gospels as follows, “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
As men we have to bring forth what is within us. We must realize our inherent power. In all my writings I have never suggested governmental action or suggested which party to vote for. The only thing that I have called for is action by men. One of the early steps of this action is to rid us of our materialistic values and open ourselves up to the truth that is within, which is why I developed the male Enlightenment and Empowerment seminar. Only when we realize the knowledge and power within us will we be able to make change.
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Infidel..you do have some dogged willpower!! thats great, hopefully youre using that energy in pushing for mens rights!!
Besides dogeddly attacking a mans viewpoints and philosophy…what have yo done today to forward the cause??
for I have grasped E.G’s message and assume I’m doing way more tangible ACTION than you are!!
E.G. says in no indirect terms..It’s mens action that will bring about change..
Change will not happen otherwise!!
Thurston (#40). Wtexas thinks the horse is dead. Maybe so. But what’s wrong with making sure?
Thurston said: “The instruction is that when a people of a place will not accept the message, go outside of town and blow the dust off your feet. Then go to the next town.”
Is a web site a town? Does that apply here? Are you sure nobody is listening to me? Did the apostles ever go anyplace where EVERYONE accepted them? Am I preaching the gospel like they did? (The answer to that is no).
So Thurston, forgive me, but I think you could be misapplying that lesson.
Thurston said: “He also told them to bring the message in the spirit of love. All you have is the spirit of Hell.”
Tough love Thurston, tough love.
Thurston (#57) said: “Inf- your number 42 proves you are severly deluded.”
That’s severely deluded. Not severly deluded. Get a spell checker.
Hey, Thurston, if I’m deluded then I don’t know any better so I can’t be a hypocrite as you said (#40). Right?
MMX (#56). You don’t understand me at all. Be patient. Maybe in time.
Maybe you have time to spend 70+ hours a week on EG’s stuff, but I don’t, so don’t expect a long explanation for everything. Besides, I think this discussion is going off on tangents.
And you are still putting a lot of words in my mouth. Stick to what I said, not to what you think it means. Don’t read too much into things, that causes a lot of misunderstandings and then a lot of time is wasted. I don’t have time to clarify all the things you read into my posts. Suffice it to say, that you don’t understand me very well yet at all.
How many trees are in the Garden of Eden?
Wait don’t women fight aruments with irrelevent details.
We went down this road before.
I do not recommend it.
inf- your number 42 proves you are severly deluded.
The instructions of the master were clear, thus your skirting the instruction proves my point about what your are.
infidel – No MMX. “I think” is an opinion, and I am entitled to my opinions, and I offered my opinion as an explanation for my behavior. Opinions are not necessarily assumptions.
No, not my point at all. People come here to discuss opinions so that they become stronger and better developed. So that ideas progress into actions which progress into solutions. If your opinions do NOT translate into actions, but rather express that certain people, namely people who appreciate Elder’s message, should never act, then you’re not merely “expressing your opinion.”
You’re instead blocking the people you dislike from both having their opinions, and trying to replace their opinions…with yours.
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“MMX, any wrong philosophy, religion, or ideology is a form of mental slavery. Surely everyone can understand that.”
Right. As if Elder is such a monster that he’s the number one “problem” worth fighting over. You mock spirituality. You mock that we’ve read Elder’s book. You mock that we discuss his ideas. But what do you replace it with? “Follow infidel’s perspective, because it’s infidels!?”
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“Wrong. I was not assuming I made it happen. That would be really really stupid. I was just showing that EG has more critics than the handful you mentioned. “
But you also showed that you couldn’t read my question and understand it! You couldn’t follow the instructions. But rather than learn from this inability, you protray it as MMX’ fault or Elder’s fault or Elder’s followers’ faults. Where’s the fault, infidel?
It shows that you fight arguments using irrelevant details! We’re supposed to trust you, but you can pull this tactic!? Is that logical!?
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I don’t know how many are listening or agreeing, but I’m sure there are some out there.”
No no no. Why are you sure!? HOW are you sure!? Don’t say you’re sure when you’re not!! Without an explanation of your certainty, you’re saying, “Don’t look for evidence. Just follow me!” Why!? If you’re sure, you should be able to demonstrate this. So show!
MMX (#41 said) “you’ve offered only the assumption that armies of people are listening to you and agreeing with you”
Complete hogwash. Total rubbish.
I don’t know how many are listening or agreeing, but I’m sure there are some out there. Please be responsible and stop putting words in my mouth. It’s a very unfair debating practice to put words in other people’s mouths. I think you are doing this to blow smoke. Either that or you are very careless.
MMX said: “when you give us a random list of people who happen to disagree with Elder’s message, you’re assuming that YOU made this happen.”
Wrong. I was not assuming I made it happen. That would be really really stupid. I was just showing that EG has more critics than the handful you mentioned.
I think you are just blowing smoke again to confuse the issues. Please be more responsible.
MMX, any wrong philosophy, religion, or ideology is a form of mental slavery. Surely everyone can understand that.
MMX #51. Again you are putting a lot of words in my mouth. You are the one making a lot of assumptions.
Just to take one example, you said: “‘I think’ plus ‘no evidence nor explanation’ equals ‘random assumption’.”
No MMX. “I think” is an opinion, and I am entitled to my opinions, and I offered my opinion as an explanation for my behavior. Opinions are not necessarily assumptions.
MMX, you really are reading a lot into things. (Either that or twisting things on purpose). Many of your recent criticisms of my posts are far off because of this. Please be more careful.
infidel – “MMX, (#41) I’m not running a popularity contest, but you’ve omitted many who have placed posts in disagreement with EG. Even for this article alone there are others than those you mentioned.”
I didn’t ask whether people disagree with Elder’s message. I asked whether people disagree with Elder’s message because yoru arguments persuaded them to do so. What was the purpose of your response to Biscuit Queen (#7 – Causes Not Effects)? To persuade her not to listen to Elder’s message.
But, when you give us a random list of people who happen to disagree with Elder’s message, you’re assuming that YOU made this happen. This is just one of the many unproven assumptions you imagine about yourself and Elder, which inhibit your understanding of Elder’s message, of your role in these discussions, and of your own effectiveness.
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“By the way, some of your arguments are so bad they are not worth refuting because I think most people will see right through them.
Doesn’t I think plus no explanation nor evidence equal a personal, and possibly flawed assumption?
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“SK, # 44, if my criticisms were futile I don’t think EGists would be trying to discourage me by saying my posts are futile.”
Another random assumption. “I think” plus “no evidence nor explanation” equals “random assumption”.
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“SK, why be liberated from one ideology to be enslaved to another?”
Assumption Number Four. You think we’re slaves. No explanation needed. No willingness to do the right thing and meet with any of us. Just I think.