This is a learning experience for the rest of the readers. There are, in fact, some men who truly deserved the divorces they were served. Some of them try to hide out in the movement. They are easy to spot, and Karl is one of them.

What a wonderful thing you have done and through 4 years of hard work. Well done. I hope you have good weather and a great turn out. These issues really do affect everyone., I think.

I am not at liberty to disclose the speakers and religious leaders at the event. If you can’t trust me when I say these people are on the ball, pleaxe call Kim Gandy at N.O.W. I’m sure she will be happy to introduce you to some pompous religious windbags.

1. Forced Cosmopolitan Mag to stop publishing articles about terrorizing men. I convinced a major supermarket chain that Cosmo was not suitable for the checkout lane. All it took was one phone call from the president of the company to convince Helen Gurley Brown that it was bad business.

2. I think I’m still the only men’s leader ever quoted in Time Magazine — when I was an editor for the Liberator. See: http://www.time.com/time/international/1996/961007/cover.html
http://www.abs-comptech.com/First_Wifes/031r-101.html

3. Organized and themed the three largest protests in the history of the movement. The first was done over the objections of the leaders of the day — and I was labelled the “devil of the movement” for it.

4. In 1991 I got the first state law passed requiring child support modifications for reservists called into active duty. It took only 6 weeks to get it through both sides of the Missouri legislature. Nobody else has been able to do this in any other state.

5. I spent 10 years in an executive capacity for two leading Men’s organizations.

6. Brought about the resignation of Missouri’s most anti-family legislator. She named me as one of her three favorite reasons for resigning (I kept her legislation bottled up in committee for two whole years — and she gave up and resigned. The Post published my response too: “Kay has been at the helm of family law in Missouri for some 18 years now. During that time period every social indicator measuring the well being of Missouri’s women and children has declined substantially. I believe it is reasonable to hold her responsible for that”. The article is here but you have to pay to read it: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SL&p_theme=sl&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=steinmetz%20and%20usher&p_field_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_date-0=date:B,E&p_text_date-0=1993%20-%201996&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=(%22steinmetz%22%20and%20%22usher%22)&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no

7. Two judges had to resign the bench in Missouri after being identified on our “St. Louis’s Most Anti-Family Judges” billboards. Nobody would let them hear a case. One of them was a commissioner that got passed over for a full judgeship. That’s three out of four we went after.

8. Dave Blankenhorn cited my group in “Fatherless America”, see footnote 48, page 297 of Fatherless America, which is about the group I was president of at the time.

Now, before anyone here has the right to attack me, they better prove a better track record than I have accomplished. I put in my time, learned the ropes, and never got paid a nickel for it.

I write to pass what I know along, in hopes that we can develop 1000 men who are better than I am. These tools are at your disposal if you are willing to listen and learn.

Frankly, I am disgusted by individuals who can find nothing better to do than to attack the proven leaders of this movement or argue incessantly over trivialities. The problem is feminists. If you want change and power, you have to go out there and get it. If you pitch in and help, you will be remembered. If you don’t pitch in and help, you will be ignored and forgotten.

There are two kinds of people in this movement. The comments to this article are proof:”

Now there is a vision. If you are not for me, you are a whiner. I wonder if that works in bed. But we know the answer – only if you are married!

A self proclaimed leader who is going to give a speech. I vote for Ray (whom you claim is a whiner), who is out there many weekends of the year, educating the public, rather than someone who praises himself for preaching to the choir.

We have heard your message:

1. Men who do not marry do not have respect.
2. Men who do not marry are chicken.

Sounds like feminazi rhetoric to me. If you come to any power, in my opinion you will become another Wade Horn.

IMO, The most effective and efficient use of time is in simply spreading the word about sites such as this one. Then telling those men to spread the word. And so on. A change among the mass of men will have the greatest net effect.

I don’t even think a centralized movement is necessary. I too am wary of leaders who seek to impose their requirements. I’ve long since tired of people telling me what to do, how to do it, what to say, what not to say, how to be, how not to be. That’s just more feminism.

And Ray, I want you to know that I admire what you do and I salute you. keep up the great work you do.

There will be no likelihood of total agreement on tactics, strategies and people included in a large public gathering. The men’s church is as broad as God’s seems to be. But All strands of thinking, action, protest and demand can find a place. Numbers matter in a public protest.

I happen to agree with the sense of outrage at the Churches for their hypocricy. I seem to recall Christ having a go at the hypocrits too. They were especially damned. I find lawyers attending too to be a difficult acceptance. Most churchmen and lawyers are antagonistic to thruth and to men. Having feminist groups there is a worry.

But gentlemen, they are a good subject on the day for special attention from the podium. Point them out. Sheet the blame home to them, personally. Give these pariahs special mention in any speech you might be called upon to give. Heck, take your own mikes and amplifiers.

Biscuit Queen, Ray, David, Veritas and the rest, it would gladden my heart to sit and share a meal on the grass with you all. Like Ray, (I would stand and salute you Ray) it is a meet too far for me, unfortunately. It isn’t just America that’s big.

And guys, please tone down this slight antagonism toward those who are less ‘active’ than some. The ones who shout from the rooftops at every opportunity are valuable too. By all means praise the Rays and the Davids and the Glenns(heros of the movement) and even the Elder Georges. But don’t rubbish the vociferous troops. They also serve who sit and shout, and cheer, an analyse, and criticise, and ………. even Gnomes.

EDUCATION AND OUT REACH WILL CARRY THE DAY!!!!!!

I believe the most important and effective one will be when we start a mens studies program on college campusses!!

The feminists understand this, and thats why they activelly censor information by consumer censorship, and the media lace curtain!!
They are vehemently fighting against Male studies programs on college campusses because students will see the blatant lies they have been promoting for years!!.

Superb analysis of the fault line, sir. I get extremely suspicious of any leader who denies the existence of such a line. After all, why should I trust someone who can’t see what I can see? I’d much rather lead myself if that’s the case.

Ray Blumhorst – “Warning to all! Be very, very wary of leaders anywhere who discourage free speech and offer their solution as the only viable one.”

Ain’t that the truth! Glad you saw that, too.

Will the praying Church leaders first remove the log(s) from their own eyes regarding the overwhelming, gender feminist influence in societal institutions, before they get on the bandwagon that Father’s and men need to be accountable as leaders of households and women?

Better yet, how about Church leaders showing up in family courts and expressing their Patriarchal views, when good, decent Father’s and men are being destroyed for doing nothing more than what Church leaders told them to do?

Yea, the pompous, sanctimonious windbags are nowhere to be found then are they? I’m from Missouri, so “show me” the Church leaders going and boldly confronting gender feminist influence in laws that are destroying families, then Church leaders words might mean more than just barking into the wind.

What ever happened to Church leaders who lead from the front, instead of the moral cowards we see today leading from the rear.

Geez. I didn’t know all that activism I was involved in was just sitting on my rump, and I certainly encourage all, whether sitting on their rumps or being very active, to speak up, whether you agree with me or not.

Warning to all! Be very, very wary of leaders anywhere who discourage free speech and offer their solution as the only viable one. In the realm of complex human endeavors, there is often more than one viable solution. Given the many different situations that exist in family law and family relations, leaders should be open to a number of solution oriented methodologies.

It sounds like the Church movement is once again trying to remake everyone to fit into their version of what the cookie cutter is in family realtions, regardless of the fact that gender feminist laws are running amok in society and targeting Father’s and men for destruction – especially those who follow Church dogma regarding family relations and male leadership. With friends like that, who won’t first admint their own failings and shortcomings in dealing with those gender feminist advocacies, who needs enemies. Get thee behind me Church leaders who still blame Father’s and men first and do not first confront the evil, gender feminist programs and policies government is using to destroy Father’s, men and families.

Church leaders such as that make other good Christian Father’s and men stumble with their assinine advice that does not address the gender feminist influence in our many misandrist, societal institutions AS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF FAMILY DESTRUCTION IN CHURCHES (and outside of Churches).

I guess I’m just not up to accepting “the devil made me do it” excuse, when it’s over obvious what gender feminism has glaringly been doing to the role of Fathers (in & out of the Church) for decades.

That is where the fault line exists.

Fathers Rights First
Men’s rights Second

Versus

Men’s Right’s First
Father’s Right’s Second