Morals Versus Laws
In order for a societal grouping to survive it develops rules of conduct or standards of behavior that eventually become custom and tradition. These standards of behavior focus on the propagation and preservation of the species.
Mating rituals, marriage ceremonies, rites of passage, and respect for elders become the norm of societal activity. Children are considered gifts of God that ensure the future of the race.
These societies are referred to as patriarchal and they have moral considerations and few if any laws; they operate on custom and tradition, and where internal conflict arises the solutions are based on what is best for the group.
The patriarchal structure evolved throughout the world not only among humans but animals as well, especially mammals. The doe agrees to mate with the buck that demonstrates strength, courage, and the willingness to die for her. The lion accepts those females into the pride whose scent he recognizes, and the other females help to raise the cubs. If he does not recognize her scent the cubs are killed, for the lion wants the pride to be free of disease and also he wants what comes out of the females to be a result of what he put into them.
The purity of females and courage of males were attributes revered throughout the world; that is until the European influence came upon the scene.
The European psyche being predominantly feminine extolled the virtues of self (the ME) and unrestricted opportunity for self-aggrandizement. Its thinking focused on what was without instead of on what was within. Since the people had no sense of family upon which to base right action, they developed a system of laws to maintain order. Men gave the control of their lives to an outside entity.
From the earliest European Greeks there existed a great dependency on the law. Draco instituted a system of law based on an aristocracy (the feminine form of government.) Solon developed a system of law in which eligibility for political power was based on wealth (a feminine value.) From Draco, to Solon, to Justinian, to Napoleon, the Europeans prided themselves on their legal institutions. After a 2,000-year history based on law, when the Europeans came to America the Indians said of them, “white man speak with forked tongue.” Indeed he did, for the law is but a poor substitute for the masculine influence. The manly way is “let your yes be yes, and let your no be no.” The law is for those who can’t live by that code.
Western man’s reliance on the law grew and grew, until finally the law governed his every act. That which he created enslaved him. To prevent his escaping from this slavery required the utilization all forms of surveillance including credit cards, phone records, commuter transit cards, payroll records, and the proliferation of surveillance cameras upon an increasing amount of his daily activities.
Has Western man learned that he created the very entity that enslaved him? No. He still believes that by enacting new laws and making changes to elected officials, he will become free. That is the equivalent of a slave asking the slave master for better working conditions. The slaves life will only improve when he removes himself form the yoke of that which enslaved him.
The membership of MRM suffers from punitive and enslaving laws that they themselves created, or at least acquiesced to. The release from this condition is to go back to a system of rule by men with a value structure based on the propagation and preservation of the species—a society where men have obligations, responsibilities, and considerations for women, children, the family, and the tribe. If even the animals can raise chaste females and responsible and courageous males, shouldn’t we be able to do as much? That way of life is called patriarchy and it needs no laws to govern itself, only custom, tradition, mores, and most importantly an understanding of that which is within.
If you want to break free of this self inflicted life of slavery and join with like-minded men to bring about a natural way of life you can do so by contacting me at www.mensaction.net.
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Stumble It!
August 12th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Very Well reasoned Sir.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:31 am
I’ve read some of the stuff that EG has posted here … I don’t find any of it offensive or ‘dangerous”. I hope it has much merit.
What I don’t understand is the extent of the fighting here that results from his words.
Someone please tell me: “What’s the beef?
EG doesn’t seem like an islamofascist terrorist bent on the violent destruction of America … as I’ve seen alleged here.
I’m not well versed with his writings, but it seems like he is saying that society is broke beyond repair … and that those who wish to begin to live anew to the beat of a different drummer can join him in this quest.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:34 am
George does have a talent for heating up the room, doesn’t he?
I think part of the problem is that most American men prefer ‘plain speaking’ to couched metaphors or obtuse conceits.
For some time now I have pondered George’s use of the term ‘patriarchy’…. It seems such a quaint and antiquated term more suited to the ideological lexicon of feminism rather than for a modern “Men’s Movement”.
‘Patriarchy’ is probably something of a Pavlovian trigger word in Women’s Studies departments around the country, but frankly — for most men – it’s a word without much meaning or emotional impact.
On the other hand, the meaning of the word ‘Polygamy’ is understood by most men… and most men that I know would consider the concept downright alien if not seditious.
George, I think, understands this. So – instead of using the trigger word ‘polygamy’, he has chosen to use a pale euphemism: patriarchy.
While most readers of George’s columns have probably not made this connection consciously, they must certainly “feel” the undertone of the message.
Thus, some readers (like me) are unwittingly challenged by George’s implied but unstated concepts. We feel drawn to respond – though the verbal dust clouds often make it difficult to see what you’re fighting.
Other readers — likewise baffled by the dust — feel drawn to George’s message. Though, again, because he has not used plain English to explain his message, these folks must be drawn by what George implies, not by what he says.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Through all the metaphor, and abstract concepts In E.G’s writings.. One common denominator seems to stand out!!
Men are the change factor…Men not women will return balance to our current societal chaos…And men need to shed off years of feminist indocrination that is keeping the neutered!!
August 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
“—a society where men have obligations, responsibilities, and considerations for women, children, the family, and the tribe.”
Until evil, misandrist, gender feminism is completely deposed for being the tyrannical/totalitarian, political force it is, it is unwise, in my opinion, for men to do any of the above. Given that American men are staring at the very real possibility of a radical, gender feminist, Hillary Clinton Presidency, I will be avoiding all of the above like the plague on men they have truly become, in my opinion. Advocating men to do the above, without first and foremost advocating the return of originalist constitutional law (true equal protection, equal rights, and equal justice) is danerously putting the cart before the horse, IMO.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
“The lion accepts those females into the pride whose scent he recognizes, and the other females help to raise the cubs. If he does not recognize her scent the cubs are killed, for the lion wants the pride to be free of disease and also he wants what comes out of the females to be a result of what he put into them.”
This seems a little barbaric!!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Barbaric indeed. If lions were human that lion would be a murderer. Basing your behavior on the animal kingdom is savage. Why do you think we call them animals?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
To college activist,
They’re lions. The point was they try to keep the heard free of disease and infiendlity. Today veneral disease is rampant and many men pay child suppport for children that are not heir own. Of course I don’t mean to use the maeans of the lions, but we ought to be able to achieve the same ends.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
I propose that George has more than an element of truth to his convictions and position. I fail to make the connection between polygamy and patriarchy as Mike suggest. We are living in a post 1984 Orwellian world where, “Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.” – George Orwell, 1984
To deny the inter-dependence of western civilization with patriarchy and the differences in the sexes is defiance of common sense. Western civilization is the product of righteous Christian principles being propagated by powerful and influential men over the centuries. Women never had the primary control or physical power to propagate anything other than the species and never will regardless of what men establish as law.
Men have simply given women legal equality with the presumption that it was in their power to do so. Men would have legally given aircraft the power to defy gravity also, as it appears to be “a good” act, but unfortunately they don’t have the power to enforce this. It’s in the hands of our creator.
With regard to George’s comments on law vs. patriarchy, I recall: “Law reflects, but in no sense determines the moral worth of a society…. The better the society, the less law there will be. In Heaven, there will be no law, and the lion will lie down with the lamb…. The worse the society, the more law there will be. In Hell, there will be nothing but law, and due process will be meticulously observed.” – Grant Gilmore “The Age of Anxiety,” Yale Law Journal (1975). Perhaps this makes sense of his thinking.
Ask any cultural anthropologist about androgynous or matriarchal societies and they will confirm that failure is the invariable outcome. It’s time we accept the facts and sit back and wait for history to repeat itself or hear what George is trying to convey. According to cultural anthropologist Professor Gilmore, we have about half a century before Western civilization fails.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Here is an interesting book providing some insights on the divisiveness of the left (men vs. women, white vs. minority, upper class vs. lower class, etc.). I see B.C. even has a nice book review on Amazon. What are the motives of the left? What are the methodologies of the left?
The cover of the book is a classic, given the initial leftist spin on the original Vietnam war era photograph and subsequent, factual disclosures about the specific events leading up to the original photo.
How the Left Was Won
August 12th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
To Lloyd Selberg,
Thanks for the information.
Profesor Gilmore is an optimist. I can’t see this civilization lasting a decade.
It’s coming down upon us on a daily basis.
Unless men step forward soon to prepare for it, they will not to be able to cope withthe conditions that will ensure.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
It’s strange that at the end of E.G.’s post in both this and his previous post, the link to his website at the end of the article is not working. I found a missing letter in the coding in this case but see nothing wrong with the coding in the previous posting entitled, “The Unseen and the Fourthwire”.
His website is http://www.mensaction.net.
Can anyone else see why the link in the last posting isn’t working?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
OK, let’s try one more time:
mensaction.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Just to summarize again alike thought on this article: isn’t it strange (totally ridiculous) that the most evolved species/best creation needs to put bulks of its rules on something dead, instead making/letting it be sort of an instinct?
@dittohd
it’s the lacking ‘http://’-prefix that’s causing most troubles, although there’s a missing letter.
@spectre #2
Nice summary from you, I could have written it
Re: #3 Mike LaSalle,
I’d say (/understand) the most important factor now is men establishing their leadership role: patriarchy.
The polygamy thing is an aside, to ‘leave no one out’. Leaving bug daddy goverment the pimp out with its welfare and such.
I see no synonyms in these two words.
Both are promoted because of the uncountable natural analogies (most specific the our alike species).
Neither do I see ’smoke’. I do very well understand what Elder George is promoting here (a totally new, very politically incorrect paradigm), although it’s nothing totally fixed. I see lot’s of room to ‘localize’.
Yes, the metaphysics showing up now and then might be the smoke for most people. Newbies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang.
The more advanced: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hermio/adem/1-3-7.pdf (the pix specifically). Use http://babelfish.altavista.com/, it’s Dutch.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
To sc567:
I tried copying E.G.’s website link coding from the previous article (that looked good to me) and pasted it off this website and tried it and it worked fine. Yet it doesn’t work on this website.
My guess is that management has blocked E.G.’s website so that the only way people can get to it is to copy and paste the address into their browser window or type it in themselves manually.
Looks like, IMO, an attempt to discredit E.G. and reduce the number of men going to E.G.’s website for more information.
Will I be blocked from this website next? Hmmmmmmmm!
August 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
@dittohd #15:
browsers fix url’s for you, if they’re without like http://, when typing in
HTML-code (specifically <a href=”">) doesn’t accept such absence.
It’s very well possible other forum/comment software does certain fixes for you.
To clear the air:
mensaction.net: Elder George’s Men’s Action to Rebuild Society
Re: #9 Lloyd Selberg
Nice! To keep in mind (when not read properly people, read again!)
This is particulary brilliant:
“Men have simply given women legal equality with the presumption that it was in their power to do so. Men would have legally given aircraft the power to defy gravity also, as it appears to be “a good” act, but unfortunately they don’t have the power to enforce this. It’s in the hands of our creator.”
August 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
EG uses an example from the animal world: “The lion accepts those females into the pride whose scent he recognizes, and the other females help to raise the cubs. If he does not recognize her scent the cubs are killed, for the lion wants the pride to be free of disease and also he wants what comes out of the females to be a result of what he put into them.”
This is mendacity. There has never been any documented observation of a male lion killing cubs. The rationale given is pure sophistry and invention. Disease free indeed! Gordon friggin’ Bennett. The one and only filmed cub-killing was of a LIONESS who was not a member of the pride, killing cubs of females who were in a pride. I watched this film about a year ago and the film-makers were astounded and horrified. They too researched to find examples of male lions killing cubs and found that there was no evidence whatsoever.
Repeating this old myth to support ‘Patriarchy’ especially as it casts the male as a killer of cubs, is foolhardy and counterproductive.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
#15 – dittohd said “My guess is that management has blocked E.G.’s website so that the only way people can get to it is to copy and paste the address into their browser window or type it in themselves manually.”
This is unbelievable stupidity. If that were the case, I wouldn’t carry george’s articles at all, you moron.
I am concluding that Usher is absolutely correct about the screwballs posting comments to this site.
Screwballs take notice: dramatic change is imminent.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
To Mike LaSalle:
>This is unbelievable stupidity. If that were the case, I wouldn’t carry george’s articles at all, you moron.
Tsk! tsk! Maybe you should follow some of your own past advice and take a chill pill. If what you say is true and you haven’t blocked E.G.’s site and I am a moron, why are you attacking me personally instead of figuring out the problem and fixing it, and then explaining to all of us what happened?
So what’s the next imminent change? We all have to certify before posting comments on your website that in your opinion, we’re not screwballs? Or are you going to block everyone one by one who posts anything objectionable to your sensitive feelings (screwballs)? I have a better idea. Let’s just abolish comments altogether!
Whew! I’m a gonner now!
August 12th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
“Whew! I’m a gonner now!”
THANK GOD.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Great worl Elder.
Mike, suspicion is a healthy activity in light of all that has been seen here previously.
Elder might be the source of his link not working though, in light of his other absence minded errors like writing the wromg last name.
In consideration of that point, perhaps you Mike need to be more secure in your position and point out the past problems that might remove any appearence of blame upon you?
Too exhausted fromn Paintball today and discussing E.G.’s ideas with the combatants.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
To sc567:
Thanks.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
Mike LaSalle’s Comment:
Screwballs take notice: dramatic change is imminent.
I can hear him singing:
“I’d like to teach the world to sing
In perfect har-mo-nyyyyyy
I’d like to hold it in my arms and keep it com-pa-nyyyy
I’d like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand ba bu ba ba
And hear them echo through the hills “Ah, peace throughout the laaaand”
All right, all right. I’ll shut up!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Dickhd said, “I have a better idea. Let’s just abolish comments altogether!”
WISH GRANTED!
August 13th, 2007 at 6:03 am
To amfortas,
I wish once you could stick with the thread of the article, which is that laws have enslaved us. But no, you have to emphasize lions. O.K. click on this link
http://drbeetle.homestead.com/lion.html and you will find a verifiable source that male lions kill cubs that are not there own.
Now that my supposed mendacity is out of the way can you comment on the subject?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
This is what George has wrought: circular firing squad of garden-variety misandric shaming.
Dickhd, you are probably too young to remember why I deleted MND’s old forum back in 2002. At that time I put it succinctly: MND does not tolerate misogyny.
By exactly the same token, I have made it abundantly clear that MND has zero tolerance for misogyny’s twisted brother: misandry.
You, dickhd, have crossed the line.
Anyone who uses “real man” shaming tactics will receive only my utmost contempt.
This thread is now closed.
Thank you for your participation.