Senator Larry Craig, the bathroom bust and how I’m Not Gay may often be translated

2007-09-11
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I have more than one reaction to the now famous audiotape of the interview between Senator Larry Craig and arresting officer Sgt. Dave Karsnia. The first is that Sen. Craig just MIGHT be telling the truth largely because Sgt. Dave Karsnia had such a tedious assignment. He had to hang around that airport restroom until someone makes signals indicating they want sex. That would take a lot of time and might leave him trigger happy to see what he wants to see in order to make a bust. A fellow sitting on the toilet and idly tapping his foot as he eliminates a bowel movement or a hand happening here or there could seem signals to someone who very much wants to see such signals.

My other reaction is that Sen. Craig’s explanations for his alleged behavior are downright comical and that Craig sounds on the audiotape like a little kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Craig actually did not use the term that may be on its way to becoming a catch phrase, “wide stance.” Rather, what he said was “I’m a rather wide guy,” indicating that when he uses the toilet it would be natural for his feet to be spread so widely apart that they might go into the next stalls. The other thing that sounds funny is the idea that he reached down “to pick up a piece of toilet paper.” Isn’t that the janitor or maid’s job? It doesn’t seem to me that many people who were just in the stall to eliminate their bodily waste would bother with a piece of toilet paper on the floor. However, as someone I spoke to about it pointed out, “You might pick it up if you had dropped it.”

Craig strongly says on the audiotape, “I’m not gay.” He has made this statement many times before and since as rumors have swirled around him.

It seems to me that Craig, and other men similarly “caught,” could be telling the truth when they say, “I’m not gay” – even if they regularly engage in sexual activities with other men. I believe that sexuality is a continuum and bisexuality is a reality. A bisexual man is not a gay man any more than a heterosexual man is a bisexual man.

What’s more, some bisexual men are primarily heterosexual in their preferences and may experience only occasional — but very strong — cravings for same-sex sexual contact. Additionally, sexuality is emotional as well as mechanical. A man who does not feel a yearning for an emotional, tender, or romantic connection with other men but only for a sometime physical connection may think of himself – wrongly – as heterosexual despite the truth of his bisexuality. Such a man may also be especially prone to seek the sort of quick, anonymous sexual contacts in public places such as restrooms that Sen. Craig supposedly sought.

However, a man who primarily prefers other men sexually and who is primarily emotionally oriented toward other men may also strongly insist, “I’m not gay.” Most people automatically see such men as simply lying or hypocritical. It seems to me that there may be more to it than that. Male homosexuality is heavily associated in the popular mind with effeminacy, with being “like a woman” in manner or presentation, and with having what may be perceived as feminine weaknesses of cowardice or timidity. I think it’s at least possible that “I’m not gay” really translates for many men as “I’m not effeminate.” For example, the late Roy Cohn, who died of AIDS, was probably close to exclusively homosexual in his sexual make-up but there was nothing at all effeminate about him. He always insisted he was not gay. I believe he could have been defending a particular self-concept of himself as a traditionally masculine man.

Larry Craig was a rancher before he went into politics. That’s certainly an occupation people think of as masculine. Even talking of himself as “wide guy” might be a way of emphasizing that he’s a “real man.”

What I think it boils down to is that there is such a strong cultural association between male homosexuality and being somehow “like a woman” that it may be psychologically impossible for some men to see themselves as homosexuals if they think of themselves as masculine no matter how strongly they may be attracted both physically and emotionally toward other men. There is just too much cognitive dissonance between the perception of effeminacy as characteristic of gay men and what some homosexuals are really like to allow some gay men to acknowledge themselves as gay – even to themselves.

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  • S Baker

    I see no reason to think Craig is queer. This episode at least points out the deviant practice of homosexuals having sex in feces-infested quarters as a “natural” part of the “alternative” lifesyle and clearly refutes the hollywood portrayal of the normal life of Will and Grace. Has anyone seen Barney Frank’s comments on this?

  • conservativation

    Denise, your suggestions and basic generalizations about male sexuality may seem informed by what friends, and perhaps the media and certain overt indications may lead one to believe, but I can assure you, that regarding male sexuality, (the same comments can be made in the gender reverse I’m sure) there ra efew women who can write about it to the point where men would nod heads and think, “wow, she got it”. So much is made of male sexuality and its simplicity…you know the old “show up naked” joke, that the reality about it is jaded. I can only speak of heterosexual because I’ve not experienced any other “urges” but I would guess that an urge for sex is an urge for sex, then comes the matter of picking partner time and place…again I don’t know though, and cannot imagine cruising rest areas and bathroom regardless my orientation.
    To be honest, if the man has “tendencies” he is just plain fibbing. He wouldn’t need to rationalize and compartmentalize his story as you’ve suggested. He is either telling a lie or the truth…period, about his gayness and this incident. With respect I’d say all the machinations of thought you’ve suggested are something women are far more prone to do than men. Men may get clever in lies, but not get as analytical and calculating and rationalizing as you suggest.

  • Mjaybee

    The ads underneath this article are hilarious, when you think about the point Denise is trying to make.

    Larry Craig is a gay guy from another generation. If he were younger, he’d have been out of the closet from day one.

  • fourthwire

    I agree with conservation, Denise.

    By assigning typically female-oriented thought processes to men, you projecting those characteristics into male behavior….. in this case into male sexual behavior.

    And as I have noted repeatedly in your blogs, you aren’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer regarding male behavior, specifically male sexuality, Denise.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/denise-noe/ Denise Noe

    fourthwire said,

    I agree with conservation, Denise.

    By assigning typically female-oriented thought processes to men, you projecting those characteristics into male behavior….. in this case into male sexual behavior.

    And as I have noted repeatedly in your blogs, you aren’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer regarding male behavior, specifically male sexuality, Denise.

    (Denise) What is it I don’t understand about male sexuality, fourthwire?

  • fourthwire

    “What is it I don’t understand about male sexuality, fourthwire?”

    In this particular case, that men are generally not prone to the sort of rationalizations and what conservation refers to as “machinations of thought” that women so frequently employ with respect to sexuality.

    Interesting to note that I have pointed out your lack of understanding about men REPEATEDLY and you chose this particular time to question my opinion……..;-)

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/denise-noe/ Denise Noe

    fourthwire said,

    “What is it I don’t understand about male sexuality, fourthwire?”

    In this particular case, that men are generally not prone to the sort of rationalizations and what conservation refers to as “machinations of thought” that women so frequently employ with respect to sexuality.

    (Denise) The “rationalizations” and “machinations of thought” I write about need not be conscious. I was actually assuming, and perhaps should have made it clear, that these motivations are unconscious. I don’t believe men think these things through.

    fourthwire: Interesting to note that I have pointed out your lack of understanding about men REPEATEDLY and you chose this particular time to question my opinion……..;-)

    (Denise) I’ve tended to think that you and others believe that, as a woman, I can’t understand male sexuality because I can’t understand sexual urgency. Although I no longer have any sexual interest to speak of, I can understand sexual urgency because I’ve experienced it or something very like it. As a chaste girl and young woman, I felt an overwhelming compulsions to enjoy orgasms 6-18 times per day, every day without fail. I know what it’s like to watch the clock on the wall of a high school classroom or repeatedly check my watch at church because I just HAVE TO get home and get off. I also know what it’s like to run home (much more awkwardly than any of you guys as I’m even abnormally slow for a female) during lunchtime to run to my room and quickly jill off and then jill off a second or third time before running awkwardly back to school.
    I can also understand the sense of physical desperation that can accompany the desire to have an orgasm and the lack of an opportunity to do so and even know something about restrooms in this regard.
    I was about of junior high school age and was taking a vacation with my family. The sleeping arrangements had been such that I didn’t have privacy. I was constantly thinking about something I needed privacy to do. When I was truly in an agony of physical frustration, I got into a tiny, dirty, smelly gas station bathroom. Unlike you guys, I wasn’t able to sit down on the toilet and j—- o–. The only way I was able to masturbate at the time was by lying on my stomach. Now, I was an extremely fastidious and finicky young lady. Do you think I was so desperate for an orgasm that I actually got down on my stomach on a filthy, putrid, cramped gas station floor bathroom to masturbate?
    Guess!

  • fourthwire

    “I’ve tended to think that you and others believe that, as a woman, I can’t understand male sexuality because I can’t understand sexual urgency.”

    “sexual urgency” is only one aspect of typical male sexual behavior, albeit an important one.

    Directness, manipulation (or lack thereof), and the sequencing of physical and emotional motivations, to name a few typical differences in male/female sexual behavior, just to name a few.

    As for those men who are willing to enjoy sex in “dirty, filthy public restrooms”, such individuals are a minority within their gender…… much like those women who are eager to have sexual encounters in public locations where they enjoy the danger of being “caught” in flagrante delicto.

    Although you would likely grind the enamel off your teeth in the process, you strike me as yet another woman who could stand to profit from listening to an individual like Tom Leykis on men, women, and sexual behavior.

    And I mention his name because he’s far more likely to speak truthfully and provocatively than pandering to the politically-correct or even the fashionably naive.

    And both American men and women have been burdened with an astonishing array of myths, lies, propaganda, and misunderstandings on the nature of their own…. as well as the other sex’s sexuality, in my experience.

    Years of living among Scandinavians and northern Europeans provided me with a clearer perspective of such topics of interest, early on.

  • http://www.transitionpower.com Ken Stofft

    The American male has been so enculturated in sexism and heterosexism that many men struggle in living a happy, sexual life. They feel they have an obligation to fit the stereotype of what it means to be a man, hence homo-hatred, misogyny, and power games in and out of the bedroom, board room, and in their relationships. How dare you insinuate that I’m “gay” or “queer” or anything less than a “man”! Many women tend to be much more fluid in their sexuality because they are expected to express their emotional and intimacy needs. Puer Eternus is not only a label for gay men. Straight men tend to have the same syndrome due to their confinement in heterosexist terms. The cycle is being broken, but too often behind closed doors. There is a way out of the closet: self-awareness, courage, willingness to explore.

  • conservativation

    Denise, I do not want to seem argumentative or disrespectful, but I’ve commented on your particular and at times peculiar take on sexuality in general. I guess I have an idea of the sexual machinations and rationalizations of my wife or years ago, maybe a gf or two, but I could never lay out her thought process, conscious or not, with any accuracy whatsoever.
    The fact that you explain how you once were ravenous and subsequently became asexual should disqualify you from commenting on things other then maybe what in the world makes someone go through that change. There are folks who can rush to self stimulation but yet express zero interest in coupled sex. I just never will get that.
    The portrayal you give of Craig’s thoughts is so simplistic it cannot be. In fact, it would be difficult to grasp from person to person the interrelationship between instinct, urge, and rationalization that can occur in milliseconds.
    As to the bathroom, you either leaned into a wall, carried a towel in your purse, or used a ton of tissue on the floor!

  • Roger60601

    I can remember a news piece a while back about show dogs that had to go to a special therapist. Apparrently some dogs are so well behaved they will not procreate as normal, in the night they may masterbate but given the opportunity to go at it will decline. This upsets the owners who want to breed their dogs. Some dogs can not be cured of this behavior. I always found that I could relate to this predicament to some degree personally. So reflecting on this, Senator Craig, and Denise’s story, maybe its true you cant train an old dog to do new tricks, but also you shouldnt be surprised that if you train your dog well, you may just get what you want.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/denise-noe/ Denise Noe

    conservativation said,

    Denise, I do not want to seem argumentative or disrespectful, but I’ve commented on your particular and at times peculiar take on sexuality in general. I guess I have an idea of the sexual machinations and rationalizations of my wife or years ago, maybe a gf or two, but I could never lay out her thought process, conscious or not, with any accuracy whatsoever.
    The fact that you explain how you once were ravenous and subsequently became asexual should disqualify you from commenting on things other then maybe what in the world makes someone go through that change.

    (Denise) I disagree. My experiences are not limited to myself. I was with a perfectly normal and sexually interested man for 21 years. I’ve also had much experience with other men as we went through a period in which our relationship was “open” and I was often juggling 2-4 guys on the side.

    consertivation: There are folks who can rush to self stimulation but yet express zero interest in coupled sex. I just never will get that.

    (Denise) It should be that hard to understand. A female may not want to get pregnant. A male may not want to get someone else pregnant. A person may not want to risk getting or transmitting an STD. It’s also possible someone doesn’t want the emotional upheavals often associated with partnered sex or the awkwardness assocated with even the most casual sexual encounters (i.e., it may just seem easier to masturbate than fumble under a bathroom stall divider).

    conservitivation: The portrayal you give of Craig’s thoughts is so simplistic it cannot be. In fact, it would be difficult to grasp from person to person the interrelationship between instinct, urge, and rationalization that can occur in milliseconds.

    (Denise) So tell me what you think his thoughts really are.

  • fourthwire

    Denise, as you know I’m not particularly concerned about seeming to be “argumentative or disrespectful” as conservation is…..;-)

    —— but while you just MAY have a pretty good grasp on human sexuality, specifically men’s sexuality……..

    ……. I would wager the same odds of an Eskimo society turning out a bona fide, international expert on tropical fish.

    Having an active sexual life for 21 years has apparently NOT provided you with as much of an insight into male sexuality as you seem to believe that it should have.

    And based on the frequency of women assuming that men’s sexuality mirrors either their own sexuality, or the myriad of myths, lies, and old wives’ tales that abound in our society, that situation is all too common.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/denise-noe/ Denise Noe

    fourthwire said,

    Denise, as you know I’m not particularly concerned about seeming to be “argumentative or disrespectful” as conservation is…..;-)

    —— but while you just MAY have a pretty good grasp on human sexuality, specifically men’s sexuality……..

    ……. I would wager the same odds of an Eskimo society turning out a bona fide, international expert on tropical fish.

    Having an active sexual life for 21 years has apparently NOT provided you with as much of an insight into male sexuality as you seem to believe that it should have.

    And based on the frequency of women assuming that men’s sexuality mirrors either their own sexuality, or the myriad of myths, lies, and old wives’ tales that abound in our society, that situation is all too common.

    (Denise) Help to rectify it, fourthwire. What specifically have I got wrong about men’s sexuality?
    And why do YOU think men like (supposedly) Larry Craig seek sex in public restrooms?
    Why do YOU think men who seek sex with men, even primarily or exclusively, adamently deny being gay?

  • http://www.transitionpower.com Ken Stofft

    Many men in this country are confined, constrained, limited due to the sexist and heterosexist norms around what it means to be a “man”. This stereotype is so hard-fast that when they seek out some form of male bonding, they do so secretively and with blinders on to what their intent is. They move with guilt and shame to identify what it is they are seeking from other men because they dare not say it is in any form “sexual” bonding.

    There is such a wide continuum of sexual preferences among men that lie underneath the gender identification and sexual orientation. Just because I’m straight doesn’t mean I cannot experience and enjoy the touch, the erotic touch, of another man.

    We have so very far to go in this country to liberate men sexually.

  • http://www.transitionpower.com Ken Stofft

    More information can be obtained from http://www.transitionpower.com. Thanks.

  • fourthwire

    “Help to rectify it, fourthwire. What specifically have I got wrong about men’s sexuality?”

    Specifically, you are ignorant about the nature of male sexuality, Denise. And while I am knowlegable enough on this particular point to realize as much, I have neither the time, inclination, patience, or capability to educate you.

    I can however, be very clear that you apparently aren’t going to allow your ignorance prevent you from attempting to invent new theories about male sexuality, regardless how simplistic, femi-centric, or just plain absurd.

    If you ACTUALLY want your ignorance about the nature of male sexuality “cured”, then start listening to an audio stream from one of those FM stations that play Tom Leykis’ show. Most women hate him at first….. but the brighter ones realize after a bit that he’s simply telling the facts as they are.

    “And why do YOU think men like (supposedly) Larry Craig seek sex in public restrooms?”

    My guess would be that men AND women each seek cheap thrills, as I have already pointed out in my earlier post. They do so differently (and not surprisingly, either!).

    “Why do YOU think men who seek sex with men, even primarily or exclusively, adamently deny being gay?”

    Couldn’t say and don’t particularly care.

  • fourthwire

    Apologies for the typo – my second paragraph SHOULD read:

    I can however, be very clear that you apparently aren’t going to allow your ignorance TO INTERFERE WITH attempting to invent new theories about male sexuality, regardless how simplistic, femi-centric, or just plain absurd.

    (My last post was posted in a bit of a hurry…..)






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