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Sexism and the Mary Winkler case: Did a pair of clunky shoes help her get away with murder?

2007-09-21
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The killing of Church of Christ minister Matthew Winkler of Selmer, Tennessee, by his wife Mary Winkler appeared to be an obvious case of first-degree murder. She shot him in the back while he lay sleeping. The nearby phone had been disconnected, apparently to prevent the wounded man, who did not immediately die, from calling for help.

After shooting her husband, Mary piled her three children in a car and drove off. She drove 200 miles to Mississippi on the day Matthew was killed and checked herself and her kids into a hotel. The next day, Mary drove another 200 miles to Alabama where the now fatherless family checked into a motel. She was arrested later that day at a traffic stop.

Investigators soon uncovered a motive for Mary to murder Matthew. According to a Dateline article by Keith Morrison, a check for $6,500 arrived in the Winkler’s mailbox in December 2005. Morrison noted that a “specialist in bank scams” described the check as an obvious fake.

However, Mary took the check to the bank. The teller failed to catch it and the check was deposited. Morrison writes, “[Mary] spent the money, but the check bounced.” Mary opened a P.O. box at the Selmer post office. She also opened up five different bank accounts. The article states, “She would deposit a worthless check into one bank, then draw money on the check and put it into another bank before the first bank discovered it was worthless. It’s called check kiting, it’s illegal, and bank tellers noticed.”

Officials from one of the banks demanded a meeting with Mary – and her husband. That meeting was scheduled for March 22, 2006 — the day Mary killed Mathew.

However, according to Mary’s attorneys, she was the true victim, suffering for years under her husband’s tyranny before she snapped.

After all, she was a member of the Church of Christ, a denomination that, like many conservative Christian groups, emphasizes the Bible verse in which St. Paul admonishes, “Wives, submit to your husbands.”

Mary’s lawyers said that the disconnected phone was innocently explained: she had unplugged the phone so that the baby could play with it. The P.O. box, the bank accounts, and the check kiting were all Matthew’s idea. Mary had acted under his orders.

Moreover, the defense contended that Matthew had been an abusive husband who had beaten her. To back up these accusations, the defense put on a neighbor who said Matthew threw a temper tantrum over a dog’s barking. A church member testified to seeing Mary with a black eye.

The defense also contended that Mathew had sexually abused Mary. To prove the point, Mary’s attorneys displayed white platform shoes and a wig that Matthew was said to like her to wear, along with what she considered “slutty” lingerie, for a sex life that included both oral and anal sex. He also “made” her watch pornographic videos. Sure enough, hundreds of porn pictures had been downloaded on Matthew’s computer.

Perhaps most damaging to the dead man’s memory was Mary’s testimony that he had abused their children. In order to get a baby to go to sleep, Mary claimed Matthew would “pinch her nose and hold her mouth.”

After years of such abuse, the defense suggested, it was not so shocking that Mary went into a “fog” state and killed her husband without being able to form the conscious intent necessary for murder.

The jury rejected both first-degree and second-degree murder charges to convict Mary only of voluntary manslaughter. She had been in county jail for five months at the time of the verdict. The judge sentenced her to an additional 210 days, up to 60 of which could be served in a mental health facility.

Mary is now free and has had the obligatory Oprah interview. Unlike a verdict of either first or second-degree murder, that of manslaughter means that she can sue for custody of the children she rendered fatherless.

Why was Mary treated so lightly? The role of sexism in the case may be easily seen if we try to imagine a husband who killed his wife offering excuses similar to Mary’s. It is unlikely that one black eye and a wife’s temper tantrum would be accepted as evidence of a continuing pattern of mistreatment. Nor would people sympathize with a man who had accommodated a wife’s sexual fetishes.

However, they did sympathize with Mary because she and her attorneys slotted both Mathew and Mary into traditional sex stereotypes.

Mathew appeared as domineering and tyrannical while Mary seemed proper and pious. Men have traditionally been viewed as the “lustful” and “beastly” gender; women are considered the romantic sex. These traditions made it easy to see Mary as a victim of male sexuality, a woman yearning for “a Sunday kind of love” and degraded by the role-playing represented by a pair of clunky shoes.

It also seems possible that traditionalist churches, perhaps in reaction to the feminist movement, have over-emphasized a handful of Bible verses counseling woman’s “submission” to men. Stressing men’s dominance and women’s obedience may inadvertently hand a get-out-of-jail-free card to female criminals because it paints women as puppets to men. It is also contrary to the truth that intimate relationships are inevitably more complicated than ones of simple dominance and submission.

Charles Dickens saw this when he wrote in Oliver Twist that the character Mr. Bumble was told that “the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction.” A flabbergasted Mr. Bumble makes the famous reply, “If the law supposed that, the law is an ass.”

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  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/denise-noe/ Denise Noe

    fourthwire said,

    Denise: “The cultural tendencies that led to her acquittal predate VAWA.”

    To be certain, husband-killers existed long before VAWA.

    But VAWA provided husband killers with a “get-out-of-jail-card”, the likes of which democratic societies have never seen before….. and one which that murderous bitch Winkler employed….. and the results speak for themselves.

    (Denise) I’ve read both “Women Who Kill” by Ann Jones and “Victorian Murderesses” by Mary S. Hartman. They deal with similar cases taking place in time periods long before VAWA was a gleeam in its mummy’s eye.

    fourthwire: Less than 80 days in county jail…. plus the chance of this vicious bitch getting custody of her dead husband’s children.

    VAWA made all of this possible, Denise….. and it’s no doubt emboldening other women, particularly after Winkler’s appearance on Oprah.

    (Denise) See above. Women were able to use sex stereotypes to their advantage long before anyone even thought of VAWA.

    Denise: “Perhaps. But perhaps not. Her attorneys definitely played up the pious woman stereotype.”

    fourthwire: That’s what attorneys do, Denise. But of those 10 women sitting on the 12-person jury – how many of them are likely to have been influenced by the feminazis’ misandry campaigns (man = evil, woman = good)? It’s been going on for decades now…… to the point where quite a few women BELIEVE it, not to mention a fair number of men.

    (Denise) The state and area in which this case was tried make it unlikely the jurors were militant feminists. The stereotype of the pious woman and the “beastly” man goes back a long ways. As a child back in the pre-feminist days I can recall my mother saying that “heaven will be full of women and children” and few of those rough, tough men.

    Denise: “He then asked why she had them and she explained that Mathew wanted her to wear them during sex.”

    fourthwire: Then the question ought to come naturally to you – why would anyone in the world believe that her husband FORCED HER wear a certain type of shoe during sex?

    And for that matter, how do you FORCE a woman to wear shoes that she does not care to wear?

    I am guessing (and merely guessing, mind you) that her advisors (either her lawyers or the “VAWA” advisors) coached her to come up with this cock-and-bull story.>>

    (Denise) Mathew probably didn’t force her to wear them. He asked her to wear them and, as a “submissive wife,” she accomodated him. It is very common, I believe, in marriages for wives to “play dress-up” during sex. This occurs in marriages regardless of the social, religious, and/or political beliefs of the couple. Marabel Morgan, author of the traditionalist book, “The Total Woman,” counsels wives to wear sensuous clothing and be open to engaging in sexual variations.
    The problem is that some women associate such things with prostitutes and other promiscuous women and thus feel demeaned by them. It is easy for a jury to sympathize since they probably think of men as “lusty” and of women as craving “a Sunday kind of love.”

    fourthwire: At any rate, the “church” connection wasn’t necessary to get Winkler out of jail, Denise.

    (Denise) You might be right. However, in this particular case, the church connection was played up by the defense. It certainly didn’t hurt her to be seen as the sweet, humble, pious church lady.

    fourthwire: As I mentioned, Winkler’s vagina was the trump card here…… as soon as she mentioned how “abused” she was.

    If religion was such a great factor, then her husband’s preacher status should caused outrage, when it was learned that she killed him in his sleep, with a shotgun blast to the back.

    (Denise) The downloaded porn on the computer gave Mary’s lawyers a way to paint him as a hypocrite.

    (fourthwire) No, a vagina trumps nearly anything during a murder trial, even religion. That’s why I’m so confident that Mary Winkler would have gotten a slap on the wrist, even if she and Matthew Winkler were atheists.

    (Denise) Maybe and maybe not. A jury might have been less sympathetic to an atheist woman saying she was degraded by being asked to wear a pair of platform shoes. It also might have been less likely to swallow the idea of the check-kiting crimes as being Mathew’s idea since an atheist might have had less indoctrination into the importance of being “submissive” to her husband.

    fourthwire: Our society sees women as “victims”, all the more so when “abuse” allegations are made, particularly after the feminazi’s misandry campaigns and the VAWA indoctrination of the American public.

    Denise: “I am not a “feminazi.”

    fourthwire: I believe that you are not a card-carrying feminazi, Denise.

    (Denise) Thank you, fourthwire.

    fourthwire: But I am certain that you have picked up feminazi tendencies, during that period that I typically refer to as your “indoctrination”.

    And before you protest that your mother and friends were not feminists, please note that ANY woman can be “indoctrinated” through her university, through her reading, television programming, or other channels.

    (Denise) Yes but I believe the strongest “indoctrination” is that which is up close and personal, made up of what is heard day-to-day.

    fourthwire: I don’t know about your personal details, don’t care, and will not even guess where those tendencies were assimilated from, but those tendencies show themselves in your blogs periodically, depending upon the subject matter.

    Denise: “However, I believe the reasons for this miscarriage of justice predate feminism and go to much deeper sex stereotypes.”

    fourthwire: “this miscarriage of justice” has feminism’s fingerprints all over it, specifically those feminists who brought us VAWA.

    Men’s lives have been devalued to somewhere far below women’s, below children’s, and even the family dog by years of propaganda.

    Want to guess which sort of individual are behind that sort of propaganda, Denise?
    FEMINAZIS!

    (Denise) When I was a teenager, I asked my conservative, Born Again Christian housewife mother why she told me so many bad things about men. She replied, “I guess that’s the way I told you because that’s the way my mother always told me and I’ve heard other women say things like that.” My grandmother, a conservative Christian, had raised my mother during the Great Depression of the 1930s. I often heard anti-male propaganda from women who also believed that men were suppoed to be the leaders and heads of the family as well as discriminated in favor of in work. They were anti-male but hardly “feminist.”

    Denise: “A conservative, anti-feminist man I knew once said, “I think most guys just want a lay every night.”"

    LOL…… Newsflash, Denise……. Quite a few men, not merely “conservative, anti-feminist men” say precisely that: that most guys just want a lay every night!

    Tom Leykis regularly tells women in his radio show audience about this well-known “secret” – that most guys just want a lay every night.

    In fact, that’s one of the ways how inexperienced young men are cajoled into marriage – through the propagated myth that marriage will result in regular sex, i.e. “a lay every night”.

    Denise: “Church over-emphasis on women’s submission may have led jurors to give too much credence to the idea that she was acting under his orders in the check-kiting crimes she committed.”

    fourthwire: You are grasping at straws trying to explain Mary Winkler’s slap-on-the-wrist to a church, since if Mary Winkler actually WAS submissive, she would not have been likely to murder her own husband.

    (Denise) I don’t believe she WAS submissive. I believe she PLAYED THE PART of a submissive wife. In all likelihood, she shot Mathew because the alternative was for him to find out about the illegal activities she had been engaging in behind his back and without his knowledge.

    fourthwire: And certainly if she were concerned that she would face jail for her check-kiting because of your supposition that jurors were led to believe that she was acting under orders from her husband , then KILLING her husband is NOT a particularly logical move.

    (Denise) Precisely!!!!! If he had actually been behind the check-kiting, she would NOT have killed him.

    fourthwire: In fact, by killing him, she mostly likely killed to SILENCE him.

    (Denise) Agreed.

    And most reasonably intelligent people would understand as much.

    Ever hear of Occam’s Razor, Denise? Briefly, it can be described as:

    The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

    Mary Winkler’s get-out-of-jail-for-free-card was the vagina between her legs, and the “abuse” stories she pawned off to a courtroom tainted by feminist-inspired misandry.

    Start reading Glenn Sacks’ blogs on Mary Winkler’s killing of Matthew Winkler – those make a helluva lot more sense than your theories on the case.

    (Denise) I’ve read some of his blogs.

  • fourthwire

    Denise: “The cultural tendencies that led to her acquittal predate VAWA.”

    To be certain, husband-killers existed long before VAWA.

    But VAWA provided husband killers with a “get-out-of-jail-card”, the likes of which democratic societies have never seen before….. and one which that murderous bitch Winkler employed….. and the results speak for themselves.

    Less than 80 days in county jail…. plus the chance of this vicious bitch getting custody of her dead husband’s children.

    VAWA made all of this possible, Denise….. and it’s no doubt emboldening other women, particularly after Winkler’s appearance on Oprah.

    Denise: “Perhaps. But perhaps not. Her attorneys definitely played up the pious woman stereotype.”

    fourthwire: That’s what attorneys do, Denise. But of those 10 women sitting on the 12-person jury – how many of them are likely to have been influenced by the feminazis’ misandry campaigns (man = evil, woman = good)? It’s been going on for decades now…… to the point where quite a few women BELIEVE it, not to mention a fair number of men.

    Denise: “He then asked why she had them and she explained that Mathew wanted her to wear them during sex.”

    Then the question ought to come naturally to you – why would anyone in the world believe that her husband FORCED HER wear a certain type of shoe during sex?

    And for that matter, how do you FORCE a woman to wear shoes that she does not care to wear?

    I am guessing (and merely guessing, mind you) that her advisors (either her lawyers or the “VAWA” advisors) coached her to come up with this cock-and-bull story.

    At any rate, the “church” connection wasn’t necessary to get Winkler out of jail, Denise. As I mentioned, Winkler’s vagina was the trump card here…… as soon as she mentioned how “abused” she was.

    If religion was such a great factor, then her husband’s preacher status should caused outrage, when it was learned that she killed him in his sleep, with a shotgun blast to the back.

    No, a vagina trumps nearly anything during a murder trial, even religion. That’s why I’m so confident that Mary Winkler would have gotten a slap on the wrist, even if she and Matthew Winkler were atheists.

    Our society sees women as “victims”, all the more so when “abuse” allegations are made, particularly after the feminazi’s misandry campaigns and the VAWA indoctrination of the American public.

    Denise: “I am not a “feminazi.”

    fourthwire: I believe that you are not a card-carrying feminazi, Denise.

    But I am certain that you have picked up feminazi tendencies, during that period that I typically refer to as your “indoctrination”.

    And before you protest that your mother and friends were not feminists, please note that ANY woman can be “indoctrinated” through her university, through her reading, television programming, or other channels.

    I don’t know about your personal details, don’t care, and will not even guess where those tendencies were assimilated from, but those tendencies show themselves in your blogs periodically, depending upon the subject matter.

    Denise: “However, I believe the reasons for this miscarriage of justice predate feminism and go to much deeper sex stereotypes.”

    fourthwire: “this miscarriage of justice” has feminism’s fingerprints all over it, specifically those feminists who brought us VAWA.

    Men’s lives have been devalued to somewhere far below women’s, below children’s, and even the family dog by years of propaganda.

    Want to guess which sort of individual are behind that sort of propaganda, Denise?
    FEMINAZIS!

    Denise: “A conservative, anti-feminist man I knew once said, “I think most guys just want a lay every night.”"

    LOL…… Newsflash, Denise……. Quite a few men, not merely “conservative, anti-feminist men” say precisely that: that most guys just want a lay every night!

    Tom Leykis regularly tells women in his radio show audience about this well-known “secret” – that most guys just want a lay every night.

    In fact, that’s one of the ways how inexperienced young men are cajoled into marriage – through the propagated myth that marriage will result in regular sex, i.e. “a lay every night”.

    Denise: “Church over-emphasis on women’s submission may have led jurors to give too much credence to the idea that she was acting under his orders in the check-kiting crimes she committed.”

    fourthwire: You are grasping at straws trying to explain Mary Winkler’s slap-on-the-wrist to a church, since if Mary Winkler actually WAS submissive, she would not have been likely to murder her own husband.

    And certainly if she were concerned that she would face jail for her check-kiting because of your supposition that jurors were led to believe that she was acting under orders from her husband , then KILLING her husband is NOT a particularly logical move.

    In fact, by killing him, she mostly likely killed to SILENCE him.

    And most reasonably intelligent people would understand as much.

    Ever hear of Occam’s Razor, Denise? Briefly, it can be described as:

    The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

    Mary Winkler’s get-out-of-jail-for-free-card was the vagina between her legs, and the “abuse” stories she pawned off to a courtroom tainted by feminist-inspired misandry.

    Start reading Glenn Sacks’ blogs on Mary Winkler’s killing of Matthew Winkler – those make a helluva lot more sense than your theories on the case.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/denise-noe/ Denise Noe

    fourthwire said,

    “Sexism and the Mary Winkler case: Did a pair of clunky shoes help her get away with murder?”

    No, Denise. Being the owner of a vagina before an American court of law tainted with misandry helped her get away with murder.

    And that murderous bitch can thank those feminazis behind VAWA, for the years of misandry-laden propaganda that women who accuse their husbands of abuse cannot possibly be liars.

    (Denise) The cultural tendencies that led to her acquittal predate VAWA. I’ve read both “Women Who Kill” by Ann Jones and “Victorian Murderesses” by Mary S. Hartman. These books are marred by feminist bias. The authors try to use the history of women’s criminal cases to show a pattern of men’s oppression of women. However, what the histories actually show is how the long standing tension between society’s matriarchal and patriarchal elements plays out in criminal cases. Women have sometimes gotten away with murder prior to even the First Wave Feminist movement because of long standing stereotypes of the good girl and the bad boy.

    As a society, we do our absolute UTMOST to avoid holding women accountable and responsible for their own actions.

    And those points have nothing to do with any religion – Winkler could have murdered her husband and gotten off just as easily if they were both atheists.

    (Denise) Perhaps. But perhaps not. Her attorneys definitely played up the pious woman stereotype. It’s no accident that the Saturday Night Live character was “Church Lady” rather than “Church Gentleman.”
    While testifying, Mary looked and sounded the part of the devout and submissive religious lady. She spoke softly and was mild-mannered. When questioning her about the shoes, her attorney asked, “Are these the type of shoes you’d wear to church, Mary?”
    “No,” was the soft reply.
    “Why did you need them?” the lawyer questioned.
    “I didn’t need them,” she answered.
    He then asked why she had them and she explained that Mathew wanted her to wear them during sex.

    fourthwire: We will never get to hear Matthew Winkler’s side of events.

    (Denise) No, we won’t.

    fourthwire: Thank your feminazi sisters for Mary Winkler’s light sentence, Denise.

    (Denise) I am not a “feminazi.” However, I believe the reasons for this miscarriage of justice predate feminism and go to much deeper sex stereotypes. A conservative, anti-feminist man I knew once said, “I think most guys just want a lay every night.”

    fourthwire said,

    Secondly, I would like to re-emphasize an earlier point that I made, Denise – this time directly underneath your quoted words:

    “It also seems possible that traditionalist churches, perhaps in reaction to the feminist movement, have over-emphasized a handful of Bible verses counseling woman’s “submission” to men. Stressing men’s dominance and women’s obedience may inadvertently hand a get-out-of-jail-free card to female criminals because it paints women as puppets to men.”

    Let’s be VERY honest, Denise, if you can – Mary Winkler’s get-out-of-jail-free card was the vagina between her legs, aided and abetted by the misandry spawned by VAWA and the superior legal rights provided to women.

    (Denise) Church over-emphasis on women’s submission may have led jurors to give too much credence to the idea that she was acting under his orders in the check-kiting crimes she committed.

    cjo said,

    It seems that you’ve misinterpreted Denise’s objective presentation of the factors which led ultimately to Mary (O.J) Winkler’s miscarriage of justice.

    (Denise) Thank you, cjo!

    cjo: She was given a trial by jury of her peers, which the selection of, was extremely narrowly focused on gender. I wonder whether the prosecutor was a woman. If that is the case, then shouldn’t the Tennessee Attorney General’s office be investigated (for bias or collusion)? The defense attorney was handed a bone in this trial. How could she not get off? Stacking the jury!

    (Denise) The prosecutor was a man.

    amfortas said,

    This is odd. Maybe I am reading a different article. I just don’t see Denise being the slightest bit feminist here. She seems to me to be showing up the fatuousness of the defense that uses such feminst arguement.

    Maybe its the way you write, Denise.

    (Denise) I don’t tend to focus exclusively on feminism because the sex stereotypes that contributed to this verdict long pre-dated feminism. The books I mentioned show how attorneys have long played on sex stereotypes of the “beastly” man and the “poor widdle woman” when defending accused women.
    One odd thing is that feminists and conservative religious people are generally seen as poles apart but their philosophies can occasionally work in a strange tandem and may have in this case. Both tend to have a deep suspicion of male sexuality. Feminism would see Mary as “the battered wife,” tradition could see her as “the pious lady.” Feminism would view her as “oppressed” by her husband and tradition as “submissive” to him. However much both strains of thought dislike each other, they may have inadvertently cooperated to make a martyr out of the murderous Mary and a monster out of the cruelly killed Matthew.

  • amfortas

    This is odd. Maybe I am reading a different article. I just don’t see Denise being the slightest bit feminist here. She seems to me to be showing up the fatuousness of the defense that uses such feminst arguement.

    Maybe its the way you write, Denise.

  • cjo

    It seems that you’ve misinterpreted Denise’s objective presentation of the factors which led ultimately to Mary (O.J) Winkler’s miscarriage of justice. She was given a trial by jury of her peers, which the selection of, was extremely narrowly focused on gender. I wonder whether the prosecutor was a woman. If that is the case, then shouldn’t the Tennessee Attorney General’s office be investigated (for bias or collusion)? The defense attorney was handed a bone in this trial. How could she not get off? Stacking the jury!

  • fourthwire

    Two additional points:

    - as anyone can read for themselves from Glenn Sacks’ latest account of the Winkler case, that murderous bitch may very well even get custody of those very children that she and her dead husband had!

    She’s already been provided with visitation, the first step toward regaining custody.

    How many men have murdered their wives, yet been found guilty and afterwards stood ANY chance whatsoever of ever getting custody of their children?

    Secondly, I would like to re-emphasize an earlier point that I made, Denise – this time directly underneath your quoted words:

    “It also seems possible that traditionalist churches, perhaps in reaction to the feminist movement, have over-emphasized a handful of Bible verses counseling woman’s “submission” to men. Stressing men’s dominance and women’s obedience may inadvertently hand a get-out-of-jail-free card to female criminals because it paints women as puppets to men.”

    Let’s be VERY honest, Denise, if you can – Mary Winkler’s get-out-of-jail-free card was the vagina between her legs, aided and abetted by the misandry spawned by VAWA and the superior legal rights provided to women.

  • fourthwire

    “Sexism and the Mary Winkler case: Did a pair of clunky shoes help her get away with murder?”

    No, Denise. Being the owner of a vagina before an American court of law tainted with misandry helped her get away with murder.

    And that murderous bitch can thank those feminazis behind VAWA, for the years of misandry-laden propaganda that women who accuse their husbands of abuse cannot possibly be liars.

    It did not matter that Winkler’s allegations were almost certainly unfounded – America’s judges, prosecutors, and public have been subjected to waves of misinformation posed as fact – to the point where simply mentioning “domestic violence” immediately gains sympathy for women – even murderous bitches such as Winkler.

    Add that unfounded little show-stopper to the fact that Winkler, by dint of being born with a vagina instead of a penis had superior civil and criminal rights.

    As a society, we do our absolute UTMOST to avoid holding women accountable and responsible for their own actions.

    And those points have nothing to do with any religion – Winkler could have murdered her husband and gotten off just as easily if they were both atheists.

    Matthew Winkler was murdered twice – first when his callous bitch of a “wife” fired a shotgun blast into his back, and then again when she accused the dead man of “abuse”. That she was attempting to cover up her own check-kiting shows how little value she placed on his life.

    And by letting her out of county jail after mere weeks in jail, America’s “justice” system has shown exactly how much value it places on men’s lives.

    And every married man out there ought to sit up and take notice – that their wives can murder them in cold blood and simply claim “abuse” and get off the hook.

    Matthew Winkler died from a shotgun blast to the back because he was married to a cold-hearted, callous woman who placed less regard for his life than an insect.

    If he had murdered her instead, he would be facing life in prison at the very least, and likely a death sentence.

    Look at the death sentence Scott Peterson received for killing his wife.

    We will never get to hear Matthew Winkler’s side of events.

    Thank your feminazi sisters for Mary Winkler’s light sentence, Denise. They provided all the coaching, the political pressure, and the waves of propaganda to make Matthew Winkler’s life seem so cheap, so disposable, and so little value.

  • GreatMRNI

    Wow Denise, you have been trained well by your feminist masters (such a good little feminist, good girrrrl). This picture of the domineering husband is nothing but propaganda, courtesy of feminism. Does a mother who loves her children dominate them? Does a father who loves his children dominate them? Then why is it that when a husband loves his wife she is being dominated? People don’t dominate the ones they love, period. The submission the bible speaks of is about not nagging and arguing about every decision the husband makes, and allowing him to be the head of the household without a lot of resistance, this will bring peace and harmony to the family.

    As far as Mary Winker getting away with murder, that can be attributed to the fact that 10 of the 12 jurors were women from the southeastern part of the United States. The W-KKK (women’s KLU KLUX KLAN) has been, and is still a very influential aspect of their culture.

    Remember;
    In the 1935-1960 era, feminists quietly studied VICTIM psychology as espoused by Sigmund Freud, and studied the methods of various Frankfurt School intellectuals who migrated here from Nazi Germany after WWI. Hillary Clinton is a student of Saul Alinsky (a leading modern Frankfurt School advocate) when she was in college. Feminists then picked up sexual liberation from Kinsey’s doctrines. The combination of free sex, VICTIM psychology, and sexist techniques is the exact basis for feminism as it emerged in the 1960′s, and for the most part is today.

  • amfortas

    “The defense also contended that Mathew had sexually abused Mary. To **prove** the point, Mary’s attorneys displayed white platform shoes and a wig that Matthew was said to like her to wear, along with what she considered “slutty” lingerie, for a sex life that included both oral and anal sex”

    So if a woman chooses, as many do, to wear a wig and white platform shoes, she is abusing herself? And if she goes and buys ‘slutty lingerie’ to turn her man on, as many do, she is abusing him perhaps? And as for her wanting oral and anal sex, as many do, well, that does not bear imagining. Such self abuse. It would appear that ‘proof’ can mean anything these days.

    All this abuse going on. There should be a law against it.

  • conservativation

    Denise, the notion of wives submitting to husbands is not (I suspect) what you think. And for that reason the church has so ruined the Biblically ordered marriage model that it is a place less safe from divorce then outside the church.
    When a pastor speaks of submission, first I think he dreads even mentioning it, and then he so apologizes for it and dilutes it, all in an attempt to keep people away for the barefoot pregnant stereotype, that the effect is to put women over men.
    The way a Christian marriage is modeled in this wrong description is that, outwardly, the man is the face of the family. He may carry the checkbook as it were, but he doesn’t write the check.
    When preachers speak of inclusion and counsel with wives on family decisions it has become that men MUST ask the wife for a decision and then the man most times implements it. It gives appearance of an Ephesians ordered marriage.
    An article here awhile back had a women boasting of her submission. The husband then added yes, he makes the big decisions, like things regarding the origin of the universe and the nature of God. She decided the budget, the schools, the home, etc.
    It amazes me that you and so many others have this perception that “traditionalist” churches OVER emphasize submission. The only over emphasis is on how badly the principle is diluted and rendered meaningless.
    I do not have the exact answer to the definition of submission in the Bible. I do know that in context it can remove responsibility from women, just as many do in their interpretation of the events in the Garden of Eden, stating Adam should have controlled his wife and not allowed her to bite the apple.
    In the Winkler marriage there was likely a great deal of power struggle going on, about sex (her allegations of him “making” her wear sexy undergarments…geez what a crock), and money (the check kiting). He was likely about to have no choice but to LEAD the family through the problems she had created. Relinquishing that control, either to husband or to the state in prosecution, was unacceptable, so she killed him.
    Most women when faced with losing the control they feel justified by the church in taking simply file the no-fault divorce, tell their circle of friends he was a jerk and verbally abusive (which means he didn’t obey her and they argued, and he yelled), and the church coddles her and walks her through the thing.
    Meanwhile he is ostracized because naturally, especially in the church backdrop, he was the bad one.







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