Comments on: NYTimes: Thomas Friedman Wants America to Get Over 9/11 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:40:53 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Gus http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52538 Gus Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:55:50 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52538 The whole world is locked in a life-or-death struggle with Islam. And we are supposed to forget one of its most horrible incidents? Mr Friedman should start writing a column on cooking. The whole world is locked in a life-or-death struggle with Islam. And we are supposed to forget one of its most horrible incidents? Mr Friedman should start writing a column on cooking.

]]> By: Gus http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52537 Gus Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:50:39 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52537 To be kind, Thomas Friedman is a nit-wit. Just what in hell does it take to have the American public realize that in all liklehood we are in for a long hard pull with Islam. The first one lasted from 632 with the death of the Prophet (and the beginning of the Sunni-Shiite split) until the battle of Vienna in 1659. Islam is a culture caught in the trap of its own conceptual view of the world which binds government and religion inextricably together. Turkey has been the only Islamic country to escape this dilemma. China, despite having a "secular religion" of communism had someone who realized that economically, it would not work. India, despite the evils committed by the British, was left with a tradition of democracy that seems to be working. Islam has not found that person yet whom they need so desperately. Islam's only solution so far has been the delusion of returning to the Caliphate of the 7th to 9th centuries. Their phantasy of conquering the world is real but ultimately unattainable. When pushed far enough the world will not allow it (let's here what they have to say about George W Bush then) and the new generation of Muslims, particularly in Iran, are chafing under the theocracy there. Whether the Wahabis or westernized Muslims win the battle for young minds is one of the key battles of the Islamic-non-Islamic confrontation. As far as Mr Friedman goes, there is an old saying that you judge a person by the company he keeps. What paper does he work for again? And how many volumes of retractions have they had to make since 2003? Trustworthy is not a word that springs to my mind. To be kind, Thomas Friedman is a nit-wit.
Just what in hell does it take to have the American public realize that in all liklehood we are in for a long hard pull with Islam.
The first one lasted from 632 with the death of the Prophet (and the beginning of the Sunni-Shiite split) until the battle of Vienna in 1659.
Islam is a culture caught in the trap of its own conceptual view of the world which binds government and religion inextricably together.
Turkey has been the only Islamic country to escape this dilemma.
China, despite having a “secular religion” of communism had someone who realized that economically, it would not work. India, despite the evils committed by the British, was left with a tradition of democracy that seems to be working.
Islam has not found that person yet whom they need so desperately.
Islam’s only solution so far has been the delusion of returning to the Caliphate of the 7th to 9th centuries.
Their phantasy of conquering the world is real but ultimately unattainable.
When pushed far enough the world will not allow it (let’s here what they have to say about George W Bush then) and the new generation of Muslims, particularly in Iran, are chafing under the theocracy there.
Whether the Wahabis or westernized Muslims win the battle for young minds is one of the key battles of the Islamic-non-Islamic confrontation.
As far as Mr Friedman goes, there is an old saying that you judge a person by the company he keeps.
What paper does he work for again?
And how many volumes of retractions have they had to make since 2003?
Trustworthy is not a word that springs to my mind.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52518 Roger F. Gay Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:52:49 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52518 Yet another view: Americans expect to win, not just attain a different state of balance. The list emerges, and the vast majority of Americans are not merely willing to go along but expect politicians to order and support what it takes to eliminate the threat. What differs is the level of tolerance and patience of the people. Some people will tire easily (with short attention spans to begin with). "It should be over by now" is popular with anyone who can believe it; and will be a natural path for any member of the opposition who prizes politics over principle. If things do not proceed at the rate that maximizes feel-goodedness, there must be something wrong. Yet another view: Americans expect to win, not just attain a different state of balance. The list emerges, and the vast majority of Americans are not merely willing to go along but expect politicians to order and support what it takes to eliminate the threat. What differs is the level of tolerance and patience of the people. Some people will tire easily (with short attention spans to begin with).

“It should be over by now” is popular with anyone who can believe it; and will be a natural path for any member of the opposition who prizes politics over principle. If things do not proceed at the rate that maximizes feel-goodedness, there must be something wrong.

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52509 amfortas Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:24:39 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52509 The motives and politican delusions of Friedman - or many other hysterics - is beside the point. Even fools say something close to real sometimes. Even if by accident. 9/11 was a disaster, wicked. But the reactions since have been hysterical. The substantial loss of day to day freedom has been a terrible over-reaction akin to shooting oneslf in the foot with a field ordnance piece. And that hysteria is par for the course in a western civilisation - led by America - which has capitulated to the faux-fearfulness, the 'poor meism', the victim mentality and the rent-seeking scum that have riden the feminist elephant into our living rooms. Scare the bejesus out of a population with bogymen (especially men bogies) and you have them by the balls. Billions of dollars can be siphoned off to line pockets of the politico-legal-mafia, and the hysterical fear-high junkies on the left and the right will demand more be spent. The greedy, shify, liars on the left and right will gladly exaggerate and take their cut. The hysteria spreads. Cities get 'locked down' whenever a car backfires. Get over 9/11. At least you had one. Australia has the same hysterical response policies and we had only a hundred or so blown up in a pub in Bali. A foreign country, not even on home soil. But we still followed the American lead. After all, Bali is only six thousand miles from Adelaide!! Ahhhgh !! The sky is falling in and James Bond is only fiction. Superman had a riding accident. OMG let's hide under the table. Better buy a bigger one. Here comes the table salesmen. Send the bloke next door to beat someone up. London, Madrid. You next. Ashby de la Zouche is doomed. Brazil. Did you watch the movie? The motives and politican delusions of Friedman – or many other hysterics – is beside the point. Even fools say something close to real sometimes. Even if by accident.

9/11 was a disaster, wicked. But the reactions since have been hysterical. The substantial loss of day to day freedom has been a terrible over-reaction akin to shooting oneslf in the foot with a field ordnance piece.

And that hysteria is par for the course in a western civilisation – led by America – which has capitulated to the faux-fearfulness, the ‘poor meism’, the victim mentality and the rent-seeking scum that have riden the feminist elephant into our living rooms.

Scare the bejesus out of a population with bogymen (especially men bogies) and you have them by the balls. Billions of dollars can be siphoned off to line pockets of the politico-legal-mafia, and the hysterical fear-high junkies on the left and the right will demand more be spent. The greedy, shify, liars on the left and right will gladly exaggerate and take their cut.

The hysteria spreads. Cities get ‘locked down’ whenever a car backfires. Get over 9/11. At least you had one. Australia has the same hysterical response policies and we had only a hundred or so blown up in a pub in Bali. A foreign country, not even on home soil. But we still followed the American lead. After all, Bali is only six thousand miles from Adelaide!! Ahhhgh !! The sky is falling in and James Bond is only fiction. Superman had a riding accident. OMG let’s hide under the table. Better buy a bigger one. Here comes the table salesmen. Send the bloke next door to beat someone up.

London, Madrid. You next. Ashby de la Zouche is doomed.

Brazil. Did you watch the movie?

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52506 Roger F. Gay Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:26:31 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52506 OK - it worked - but delayed posts for some reason, so I thought it wasn't going to. Sorry for the duplication. OK – it worked – but delayed posts for some reason, so I thought it wasn’t going to. Sorry for the duplication.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52505 Roger F. Gay Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:25:58 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52505 Wordpress filtering comments again. Wordpress filtering comments again.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52503 Roger F. Gay Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:22:59 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52503 Cuba probably does have pretty good health care benefits. It's one of those things socialist leaders / dictators have learned to provide for people in a system that guarantees they'll be too poor to get anything for themselves. Hey - at least you've got your health! Cuba probably does have pretty good health care benefits. It’s one of those things socialist leaders / dictators have learned to provide for people in a system that guarantees they’ll be too poor to get anything for themselves. Hey – at least you’ve got your health!

]]> By: GVrooman http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52489 GVrooman Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:54:06 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52489 Turn Guantanomo into a free field hospital for poor Cubans? According to Michael Moore Cuba has a great health care system. Is Friedman calling Michael Moore a liar? Turn Guantanomo into a free field hospital for poor Cubans? According to Michael Moore Cuba has a great health care system. Is Friedman calling Michael Moore a liar?

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/comment-page-1/#comment-52486 Roger F. Gay Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:37:44 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/30/nytimes-thomas-friedman-wants-america-to-get-over-911/#comment-52486 I read Friedman's article. Maybe we should start basing our intellectual commentary on skits from SNL; do ya think? I read Friedman’s article. Maybe we should start basing our intellectual commentary on skits from SNL; do ya think?

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