I’m not surprised that that Mormons suffered the same fate as the rest of us. It took confrontation with (other) Christians to get them to face the fact that many in the flock had been ambushed and knocked off a cliff by the force of government rather than having been unworthy of basic human respect.

They are still being weak when it comes to admitting that we are right about the politics, with leaders either still pushing impossible solutions or solutions that would cause further damage, or just wandering in the dark complaining and then compromising to no solution at all.

not an expert on these matters and i wasn’t there but it is my belief the Mormons quit the practice of polygamy primarily to gain the benefits of statehood. they knew – many wives, no admission to the union. the way i understood it was that God gave Mormons back the practice when they moved west (1830’s?) and lost many men fighting Indians and such. the women needed husbands, so to build up the Kingdom God gave them the right to many wives to make many children, much as he as he did the Jews of old. makes sense to me. no doubt living around lots of women w/o husbands or other eligible men = hell on earth. by-the-by that’s the fly in the ointment in Utah w/ all the offshoot branches still practicing polygamy. to the best of my knowledge this right was never taken away, by God.

irony – the LDS Church had already changed the marriage rules a hundred years prior to please the government. this makes twice.

i believe it was Steve Young who commented on this and it is so true – being an older (late 20’s) single male in the Mormon Church is a lonely position. all the adult men of any age bracket are married. i was constantly eyed as somewhere between a leper and a plague victim. always looking for me a new Mormon wife they were.

IMHo Mormons, like other conservative religions, seem to have not embraced the concept that marriage has been altered by the government. Marriage is a Holy institution to them not to be challenged. they don’t see that poisoned water is no longer water fit for consumption. heads in the sand sort of thing.

just my 2 cents worth. not here to slam the Mormons. just what info i know and have witnessed.

Mormons have become in less than 2 centuries the 2nd wealthiest church in the world. they don’t pay the Priests or Missionaries salaries and have an awsome welfare system that doesn’t appear to have been abused as have the western country’s systems. while living in Utah i oft heard it said the power that comes w/ wealth has helped corrupt parts of the Church. don’t know for sure, just heard.

it is my prayer that we (MRA’s) can lead the fight to fix marriage, place real men back as head of the family, and thereby give the Church back it’s rudder. blowing in the wind it is. women in the pulpit in some churches and membership in free-fall. male membership in remission as men are demonized.
remember the part in the Bible about the head of the woman being the man? a help mate for him and not his master?

don’t believe that? yeah, thought so. feminists can’t see it. no eyes to see. wrong team. doesn’t take much Bible readin’ to find it though. page 1, chapter 1. seems so important that it was put up front, like the instruction manual before assembly. so when all else fails ….

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/g/gay/2004/gay082004.htm

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/g/gay/03/gay112103.htm

http://mensnewsdaily.com/secondaries/roundtable/gay100603.htm

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/g/gay/03/gay121103.htm

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5910/published/ps_oct_2004.htm

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5910/principles.html

For every year of his four years in office, Romney stood behind his aspiring dyed-blond bimbo lieutenant governor, Kerry Healy, as she read out the 10 Mass. Most wanted deadbeat (dads) poster to the Boston Globe and television station reporters. Again, there was Ned and I believe Glenn Sacks who pointed out that most of the men were probably not able to pay as they had low paying occupations. Did Romney or Healy ever respond to the rebuttal? Not that I recall.

Also, I was through the pointless railroad track-guided family court system in 2004. Shared parenting bills were offered to the legislature every year, but never got out of judicial committee. Did Romney ever lobby for the bills, even though the majority of the Massachusetts public wanted it? No, he did not.

I feel strongly that Romney is critical of men that fall into divorce. He arrogantly believes his religion is sufficient to hold a family together and if there is divorce, the man let it happen and is ultimately responsible.

This is what I recall of Romney’s term in office.

Orrin Hatch is the treasonous anti-Constitutional co-sponsor of the Deadbeat Parents Punishment Act, 18 U.S.C. §228.

Read it and weep! Hatchling has been at the forefront of new federal legislation imposing permanent license suspension requirements upon the states to qualify for their bags of federal money, for denying passports, for stripping those with protection orders of the right to keep and bear arms, and many other measures to impose what the French call “civil death” upon divorce parents who cannot comply with the unreasonable child support orders required by the support schedule requirements also imposed by Hatchling’s legislation.

I have yet to hear about the Mormon Church ex-communicating Senator Hatchling. Utah seems to have the same pig headed family court judges and no-fault divorce laws and Child Support Crusade every other state has. The Mormon Church is as politically compromised as every other church.

The big mistake that every one of these so-called Christians and all those who decide the Constitution and the Antipeonage Act shall not regulate the practice of family law is to expect, to demand, that fathers pay an unreasonable amount each month, call it child support when there is no practical mechanism to require and accounting for how the money is used to provide for the child, to not allow deduction from taxable income the child support paid, to place the distribution of personal exemptions for the children allegedly supported in the sole discretion of the custodial parent,

regardless of how said father is TREATED.

So Darren Mack knifed his wife and shot the corrupt treasonous anti-constitutional judge.

I am surprized it does not happen more often. The reason peonage and extortion are crimes is that those being extorted sometimes react badly.

Mitt Romney may promote a pro-family agenda, but it would be a first time, and it would require a Road to Damascus experience.

Mormon’s don’t have a problem omitting much of their beliefs to gain positions of power as wealth and power are high on the Mormon agenda. Once with money and power the Church expects both be used subject to Church Doctrine.

The schizophrenic belief that God may direct ANY BEHAVIOR to achieve his end is common in the Mormon faith. It’s OK to commit obvious sin if so directed by personal revelation. Fundamental to the Mormon faith is that they are lead by a living prophet that receives daily updates on doctrine from GOD.

Anticipation what Romney might do is anyone’s guess, but my guess is that he would promote a pro-family government agenda in spite of Roger’s observations.

I am also certain that there are people who read MND who are from Mass., who have seen many of their problems develop in that state, and know a lot about Mitt Romney’s part in it. I recall being told about his campaigns – so I don’t see Romney as merely someone who missed opportunities the way you apparently do. As I recall, he was very pro-active in his anti-family policy campaign. He campaigned for the office on anti-family policy reform – he was very strongly for it. So far as I know, he never missed an opportunity to push, sign, and take credit for anti-famiyl policy.

Of course – I understand that the Republican’s “pro-family agenda” is merely a smoke-screen. Romney worked the actual anti-family agenda to get the money from the federal anti-family programs. And I’m sure that he used the same lies as everyone else to make the tax and spend radical left’s anti-family agenda appear fiscally, socially, and politically conservative. We have Ronald Reagan to thank for that lie.

The purpose that organizations actually fill reasonably well is in direct correspondence non-profit status for education etc. It is unfortunate when information and discussion doesn’t reach much beyond the membership – i.e. preaching to the choir. MND has helped over the years and I wish something more would come from the roundtable discussion approach. That was an excellent way to open the door to discussion with people and groups that have related interests. And I do have great faith – once they get what the battle is actually about …

We’ve certainly been down that road on child support. I served as an expert witness in P.O.P.S. v Gardner, a federal class action suit challenging the constitutionality of arbitrarily high child support guidelines. The court responded by reclassifying family law as “social policy” – eliminating individual rights from consideration. The only constitutional right derived from the “social policy” classification is equal treatment. This is the doctrine that new court mandates on same-sex marriage are based on.

I didn’t say that their records are any better. Thompson seems to be taking the traditional Republican approach – the approach that caused the problems that his potential base wants solved. In traditional style, he’s claiming more of the same will cure the problem. I’m starting to think our politicians drink too much and bring too much of that culture into politics – “hair of the dog.”

Maybe someone should let Montel’s production staff know: “The Fathers’ Rights Movement is winning” If only it were the national news with no one watching, but is was the Montel Show with millions of women watching. He must be trying to be the male Oprah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison