Comments on: Republicans and Democrats Should Start “Third Parties” http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:36:56 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-54120 Roger F. Gay Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:42:04 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-54120 Wouldn't it be nice if there were more than two parties? I mean - having someone in the national debate who would actually, seriously challenge the misinformation campaigns of the other two parties? Well - you might not be paying much attention to those who do: http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=613 Wouldn’t it be nice if there were more than two parties? I mean – having someone in the national debate who would actually, seriously challenge the misinformation campaigns of the other two parties? Well – you might not be paying much attention to those who do:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=613

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-54017 Roger F. Gay Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:43:46 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-54017 Ironically, they both want the same things. They both work for the same bosses in Washington, D.C. If they jointly form a new party, maybe called "Dem Repers" (nicknamed "The Party of Corruption") they would all get along just fine. The people might then benefit by another party's participation that actually has something to do with democracy and representing us. Ironically, they both want the same things. They both work for the same bosses in Washington, D.C. If they jointly form a new party, maybe called “Dem Repers” (nicknamed “The Party of Corruption”) they would all get along just fine. The people might then benefit by another party’s participation that actually has something to do with democracy and representing us.

]]> By: Lloyd Selberg http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53998 Lloyd Selberg Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:14:18 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53998 Funny that you suggest starting third parties as this is what a 20 veteran legislative assistant in the Missouri legislature suggested in a conversation today. The inability of Republicans and Democrats to work together to achieve anything of value has all but paralyzed the state legislature and the situation has become increasingly worse over the last 20 years. According to her assessment, they won’t work, talk or play together and act like children. Funny that you suggest starting third parties as this is what a 20 veteran legislative assistant in the Missouri legislature suggested in a conversation today. The inability of Republicans and Democrats to work together to achieve anything of value has all but paralyzed the state legislature and the situation has become increasingly worse over the last 20 years. According to her assessment, they won’t work, talk or play together and act like children.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53980 Roger F. Gay Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:11:28 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53980 I don't think Hillary can win. I don’t think Hillary can win.

]]> By: GreatMRNI http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53979 GreatMRNI Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:45:11 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53979 Not only can’t Ron Paul win, but he is basically a Libertarian. Raw libertarianism is the equivalent of the strong feeding on the weak, but that’s another issue. My concern is not with Paul winning, but with clit-ton. Clit-ton has no business running for president. The few policy issues she has commented on expose her incompetence. She will bury this country and its people. I can’t make you vote for a specific person, but remember, stupid is as stupid does, enough said. Not only can’t Ron Paul win, but he is basically a Libertarian. Raw libertarianism is the equivalent of the strong feeding on the weak, but that’s another issue. My concern is not with Paul winning, but with clit-ton. Clit-ton has no business running for president. The few policy issues she has commented on expose her incompetence. She will bury this country and its people. I can’t make you vote for a specific person, but remember, stupid is as stupid does, enough said.

]]> By: tonysprout http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53952 tonysprout Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:53:43 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53952 Exactly! Win what? Every candidate except Ron Paul is the same as G. "W is for women" Bush. They all want to keep the status quo. Einstein said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That only works with flipping a coin, not leadership. I will vote FOR the Constitution not some slap happy ego centric power hungry party hack. Let Liberty flourish, the chips fall where they may. Exactly! Win what? Every candidate except Ron Paul is the same as G. “W is for women” Bush. They all want to keep the status quo. Einstein said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That only works with flipping a coin, not leadership.

I will vote FOR the Constitution not some slap happy ego centric power hungry party hack. Let Liberty flourish, the chips fall where they may.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53933 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:16:41 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53933 Win what? The right to waste my vote on a person and party that is / are more so much worse than simply "imperfect." The right to a dictatorship? The right to watch the nation crumble while illuding myself into attaching some importance to an empty victory? If you derive that much pleasure from such a distant association with power, why not go for more? Just marry someone powerful; it will bring you closer to it. But don't destroy the country over it. Win what? The right to waste my vote on a person and party that is / are more so much worse than simply “imperfect.” The right to a dictatorship? The right to watch the nation crumble while illuding myself into attaching some importance to an empty victory? If you derive that much pleasure from such a distant association with power, why not go for more? Just marry someone powerful; it will bring you closer to it. But don’t destroy the country over it.

]]> By: GreatMRNI http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53932 GreatMRNI Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:57:17 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53932 I disagree, I have never found one candidate in any election that I agree with 100%, and I haven’t found one this year either. The perfect candidate is an illusion, at least for me it has been. Romney is a former Gov. of MA., Paul is a house rep. of Texas. That’s like the New England Patriots playing a local Texas high school football team. They lack the experience to compete successfully. Only a fool would bet on the Texas high school team. My money’s on the winner, because it would be a waste of money to bet on a Texas high school team even though I’m not a New England fan. Play to win, or don’t play at all. Maybe that’s the whole problem with the Men’s Rights Movement; nobody plays to win, just to be heard. I disagree, I have never found one candidate in any election that I agree with 100%, and I haven’t found one this year either. The perfect candidate is an illusion, at least for me it has been. Romney is a former Gov. of MA., Paul is a house rep. of Texas. That’s like the New England Patriots playing a local Texas high school football team. They lack the experience to compete successfully. Only a fool would bet on the Texas high school team. My money’s on the winner, because it would be a waste of money to bet on a Texas high school team even though I’m not a New England fan. Play to win, or don’t play at all.

Maybe that’s the whole problem with the Men’s Rights Movement; nobody plays to win, just to be heard.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53927 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:21:32 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53927 Thanks Tony. Voting means nothing; it has no power whatsoever, if the voter refuses to give it any. That's exactly what happens when people decide it's no use, there's no chance for it to matter anyway. Yes it does matter. It's your vote. If you don't vote for what you actually want, you're throwing it away. Thanks Tony. Voting means nothing; it has no power whatsoever, if the voter refuses to give it any. That’s exactly what happens when people decide it’s no use, there’s no chance for it to matter anyway. Yes it does matter. It’s your vote. If you don’t vote for what you actually want, you’re throwing it away.

]]> By: tonysprout http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53926 tonysprout Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:14:00 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53926 Voting to win, for a candidate or party that is as bad as the other party is stupid, assinine, ignorant and un-American! Vote your conscience, not to win. Voting to win, for a candidate or party that is as bad as the other party is stupid, assinine, ignorant and un-American! Vote your conscience, not to win.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53924 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:58:27 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53924 RE: Weak on constitutional law - I don't see supporting the collapse of our constitutional democracy as cutting off an arm to save the life of the country. Yes, they are ALL weak on constitutional law, if you really want to bend that far to say it nicely. The return to constitutional rule is what's being demanded, and what neither party is offering. RE: Weak on constitutional law – I don’t see supporting the collapse of our constitutional democracy as cutting off an arm to save the life of the country. Yes, they are ALL weak on constitutional law, if you really want to bend that far to say it nicely. The return to constitutional rule is what’s being demanded, and what neither party is offering.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53923 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:54:26 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53923 You seem to be on the edge of that 15 percent mentioned in the article. You seem to be on the edge of that 15 percent mentioned in the article.

]]> By: GreatMRNI http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53921 GreatMRNI Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:33:50 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53921 I've been rather happy with the Repubs-lick-cans (mostly female cans) over the last 27 years, with the exceptions of Men's Rights and Constitutional Law issues. I’ve been rather happy with the Repubs-lick-cans (mostly female cans) over the last 27 years, with the exceptions of Men’s Rights and Constitutional Law issues.

]]> By: GreatMRNI http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53920 GreatMRNI Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:27:53 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53920 Is it rational to cutoff your arm to save your life? Of course it is, Romney might be weak on Father’s Rights, and Constitutional law (not sure yet), but they all are. I suspect the other issues mentioned above are not a concern for you? They are for me, and probably many other men. Is it rational to cutoff your arm to save your life? Of course it is, Romney might be weak on Father’s Rights, and Constitutional law (not sure yet), but they all are. I suspect the other issues mentioned above are not a concern for you? They are for me, and probably many other men.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53917 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:06:35 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53917 The Republicans have been a total and complete nightmare for the past 27 years. There is no santuary from the nightmare in either of the two parties. The Republicans have been a total and complete nightmare for the past 27 years. There is no santuary from the nightmare in either of the two parties.

]]> By: GreatMRNI http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53916 GreatMRNI Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:59:06 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53916 You don’t think Hitlery would be a total and complete nightmare? She would ruin this country with extremely high taxes, larger government, more privilege for women at the expense of men, a weaker military, socialized medicine, and oppressive gun control laws, just to name a few issues. Father’s issues are not the only issues to consider. You don’t think Hitlery would be a total and complete nightmare? She would ruin this country with extremely high taxes, larger government, more privilege for women at the expense of men, a weaker military, socialized medicine, and oppressive gun control laws, just to name a few issues.

Father’s issues are not the only issues to consider.

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53915 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:43:29 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53915 I no longer see that sort of thing as being most important; nor even rational. For the past 27 years, the Republicans have been at least as crackling feminist witchy as the Democrats in terms of legislation actually passed - constitutional rulings actually made, etc. I think that's long enough to have learned who they really are. I no longer see that sort of thing as being most important; nor even rational. For the past 27 years, the Republicans have been at least as crackling feminist witchy as the Democrats in terms of legislation actually passed – constitutional rulings actually made, etc. I think that’s long enough to have learned who they really are.

]]> By: GreatMRNI http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53913 GreatMRNI Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:36:48 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53913 The most important issue of the 2008 election is insuring that we don’t put a “cackling feminist witch” in the White House. If you think your balls are in a vise currently, just see what happens if the cackling feminist witch gets control of that lever. We have several other parties aside from Demo-rats and Repubs-lick-cans (mostly female cans), but none have any traction. Ron Paul is interesting but is currently just a house rep. in Texas. He needs to run for Gov. of Texas and win. Then he becomes a viable presidential candidate, but not until then. This is what we should do, register as Demo-rats, vote for Obama in the primary, vote for the Repubs-lick-can (mostly female cans) nominee in the general election. I still think Romney is the best for this country and the best we have for Fathers (that can win), he does have several sons. Then, try to get Paul (or someone like him) in there in 2012 The most important issue of the 2008 election is insuring that we don’t put a “cackling feminist witch” in the White House. If you think your balls are in a vise currently, just see what happens if the cackling feminist witch gets control of that lever.

We have several other parties aside from Demo-rats and Repubs-lick-cans (mostly female cans), but none have any traction. Ron Paul is interesting but is currently just a house rep. in Texas. He needs to run for Gov. of Texas and win. Then he becomes a viable presidential candidate, but not until then.

This is what we should do, register as Demo-rats, vote for Obama in the primary, vote for the Repubs-lick-can (mostly female cans) nominee in the general election. I still think Romney is the best for this country and the best we have for Fathers (that can win), he does have several sons. Then, try to get Paul (or someone like him) in there in 2012

]]> By: Roger F. Gay http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53908 Roger F. Gay Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:25:49 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53908 I'd have to check - maybe you can answer. Can we impeach politicians by referrendum? I think we can. Arnold was elected Gov. in Cal. in a special recall election. President? I'm thinking maybe We the People need to do more to manage the nation rather than just accepting it when politicians violate the most sacred trust. I’d have to check – maybe you can answer. Can we impeach politicians by referrendum? I think we can. Arnold was elected Gov. in Cal. in a special recall election. President? I’m thinking maybe We the People need to do more to manage the nation rather than just accepting it when politicians violate the most sacred trust.

]]> By: tonysprout http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-53907 tonysprout Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:20:01 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/31/republicans-and-democrats-should-start-%e2%80%9cthird-parties%e2%80%9d/#comment-53907 "...which is why they have been pledging support for the Constitution" EVERY elected politician swears to uphold and defend the Constitution. The problem lies in the fact that 99% of them INTERPRET the Constitution. If the Constitution was seen as a contract and read as such we wouldn't be in the quagmire we are in today. An example is the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." The Founders knew the difference between Congress, States, and The People, they were recognized as seperate entities with their own rights, responsibilities and freedoms, yet we have some SCOTUS bozos in the first part of last century coming up with "seperation of church and state" from an amendment that mentions ONLY Congress. Seperation of church and state is a lie! I hope the bozos that came up with that are burning in hell. Same goes for the Second Amendment which recognizes the PEOPLE'S RIGHT to keep and bear arms and that right shoulde never be INFRINGED. Politicians pledging to support the Constitution is nothing new. What would be new is a politician pledging to support and defend the Constitution AS A CONTRACT; AS IT IS WRITTEN! As for a Third Party, I'm all for it. Let's get the Dems. the Republicans, the Libertarians, and the Constitutional Parties and hold our own Constitutional Referendum. We'll spell out what WE, not lawyers, see the Constituion meaning. Rules: 1. Let Liberty Flourish, the chips fall where they may. 2. Recognize the distinct differences between the three governmental entities, Congress, States, and The People. 3. Restrict Fed gov't to regulating interstate commerce ONLY when cash or barter results. 4. Any Equality issues need to be applied across ther board, goose and gander fashion. Feel free to add your own rules. I gues we'll need a rules referendum before we have a Constitutional referendum. “…which is why they have been pledging support for the Constitution”

EVERY elected politician swears to uphold and defend the Constitution. The problem lies in the fact that 99% of them INTERPRET the Constitution. If the Constitution was seen as a contract and read as such we wouldn’t be in the quagmire we are in today. An example is the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” The Founders knew the difference between Congress, States, and The People, they were recognized as seperate entities with their own rights, responsibilities and freedoms, yet we have some SCOTUS bozos in the first part of last century coming up with “seperation of church and state” from an amendment that mentions ONLY Congress. Seperation of church and state is a lie! I hope the bozos that came up with that are burning in hell. Same goes for the Second Amendment which recognizes the PEOPLE’S RIGHT to keep and bear arms and that right shoulde never be INFRINGED.

Politicians pledging to support the Constitution is nothing new. What would be new is a politician pledging to support and defend the Constitution AS A CONTRACT; AS IT IS WRITTEN!

As for a Third Party, I’m all for it. Let’s get the Dems. the Republicans, the Libertarians, and the Constitutional Parties and hold our own Constitutional Referendum. We’ll spell out what WE, not lawyers, see the Constituion meaning.

Rules:
1. Let Liberty Flourish, the chips fall where they may.
2. Recognize the distinct differences between the three governmental entities, Congress, States, and The People.
3. Restrict Fed gov’t to regulating interstate commerce ONLY when cash or barter results.
4. Any Equality issues need to be applied across ther board, goose and gander fashion.

Feel free to add your own rules. I gues we’ll need a rules referendum before we have a Constitutional referendum.

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