Feminist writer Ann Friedman, editor of the leading feminist blog www.feministing.com, has a point in her recent blog post “‘Your Women Are Ugly!’ is not a political argument.” Friedman’s blog post is a little overwrought, but she’s right that comparisons such as that pictured are sexist.
I would also add that they’re usually rigged, as in the poster (pictured) which she cites. Obviously anybody could find a group of attractive pictures of conservative women and unattractive pictures of liberal women–you could do the opposite just as easily.
It’s also rigged because some of the pictures of the liberal women were chosen specifically because they make the person look bad. Susan Estrich is an attractive woman, but they picture her here at her absolute worst, as they do with Hillary Clinton.
But it’s not the sexism of such arguments that bothers me as much as that they remind me of the way some kids taunt and humiliate each other on the schoolyard. I never wanted to participate in that cruelty as a child, and I’ve got no interest in participating in it as an adult.
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fourthwire said,
I wouldn’t bother to compare attractiveness of “liberal” verus “conservative” women, anyway.
I would point out that there are DAMNED FEW attractive feminists, though, whatever you might believe about Susan Estrich.
Lack of attractiveness results in quite a few middle-aged, embittered women, women who are ready, willing, and able to declare war on men. They did not have a line of men vying for the right to support them and their life-choices, looked around for a convenient class of oppressor and learned in their Womyn’s Studies that they were being oppressed by MEN all along!
9’s and 10’s among women generally do not NEED those artificially constructed entitlements and privileges for women - they have men willing and able to cater to their comforts and needs.
So…. don’t get caught up in Ann Friendman’s ovary-think, Glenn.
November 3, 2007 at 3:38 pm
mruffolo said,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=491443&in_page_id=1770
November 3, 2007 at 4:41 pm
daveinga said,
something you want to fess up to here? i won’t tell.
Have a Blessed Veteran’s Day all.
November 3, 2007 at 4:52 pm
sstratford said,
No daveinga, Glenn did NOT say Hitlery was attractive, he was referring only to Susan Estrich. Truth is, there are no good pictures of Hitlery, but you gotta admit, most of the ones we see of her are REALLY BAAAAAD, this one included. Frankly, she scares the wits out of me.
November 3, 2007 at 5:14 pm
christianj said,
A male-hating feminist is just that. No surgery will change that.
November 3, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Denis said,
you know brother I think highly of you. You also know we don’t agree on everything.
But Glenn-
this is a fluff piece. It’s primarily fluff by Friedman, But by even raising this as an issue of comment you give it some relevance.
Look Glenn, I live in the bluest of blue states: Massachusetts.
This is not some Beach Boys song where the women dress so well. Believe me, the women here are masculine. And hard on the eyes.
I’ve spent a lot of time in California. It’s real blue there too. A lot of the women there by the time they are 35 look like some freak cosmetic experiment gone bad. They ain’t “the best” like that Beach Boys song would have you believe. Not by a mile.
I have been to NYC a lot. There are some hot looking women there but the majority of the time they were not even born there. They either are a small town girl from the midwest checking out the big city or they are from another country altogether. The American born women are easy to spot. It ain’t a pretty sight over the age of 35 for a lot of them.
I’m not saying every Republican woman is hot and every Democratic women is ugly. But my observations have been that a whole lot of Democratic women would scare the wolves away on a full moon night.
If the Democratic women out there don’t like it: tough sh*t. Hey, it’s not like they are reasonable or fair towards us men.
November 3, 2007 at 6:29 pm
snootfish said,
He is though of course correct. I took my oldest son to lunch today. He was approached by a woman I didn’t know who was very friendly to him. It turns out she is the mother of a girl who is his long time peer and class mate.
She looked at me kind of strange. She was very friendly on the surface. She obvfiously knew nothing about me — asking whether I lived in town, for example.
It my be my imagination, but I couldn’t help but think she was viewing me badly — as a deadbeat dad, etc. I am and always have paid my child support, but this is how all noncustoidal parents are viewed due to all the ugly propaganda.
My point is that we can be better than them. We don’t have to characterize them as all ugly witches although many are just as they shouldn’t characterize us as all deadbeats, absuive, etc. as only a few of us are.
November 4, 2007 at 1:41 am
JamesH said,
November 4, 2007 at 4:52 am
Roger F. Gay said,
November 4, 2007 at 5:03 am
BobH said,
November 4, 2007 at 8:02 am
conservativation said,
What a load.
What is sexist about it?
Mean?
Invalid comparison?
Rigged?
Maybe, but sexist?
Gimme a break. Glenn you occasionally walk with one foot on each side of thje front line in this war…for that reason you are ineffective.
November 4, 2007 at 8:20 am
tonysprout said,
I can understand Glenn possibly wanting to show the other side how “decent” MRAs are, but not until we see a little decency from that side of the gender aisle. We were “decent” when we gave them the right to vote. We were “decent” when we supported women’s lib in the 60’s. How has that decency been returned? Let me twist that knife in your back just to give you a little reminder.
November 4, 2007 at 9:52 am
roger said,
it cannot be sexist because only 1 sex is being contrasted.
it may be something else.
but it is not sexist.
November 4, 2007 at 10:33 am
Joyanna Adams said,
Good looking people can sell most anything, and Rupert Murdoch knows this.
But CNN is catching on. Now, they too have all good-looking liberals to sell their views. We are a nation that goes on physical appearance.
This habit probably started with the first caveman. Even animals evolved for appearances…which explains the peacock…which explains Bill Clinton.
It’s all about the money. Hillary has had plenty of plastic surgery, and she will have more.
Women who were not born with “good Looks” were an easy mark for the feminists, weren’t they? I get the feeling Janet Reno would have done anything for Bill.
Now— you have to be good-looking as well as smart to really stay on top. The culture seems to demand it. And being good looking presents it’s own problems.
AND there has always been a double standard for men…but that is changing as we speak. Tell me Mr. Sachs…does Fox make you wear Makeup?
This subject about “looks” is many faceted.
Having said that, I’ve always gotten the feeling that Madeline Albright THINKS she is just a killer in the looks department. I don’t know why.
Maybe Bill wrote her love notes.
November 4, 2007 at 11:15 am
Gus said,
They think that all men are stupid, have no idea of how to respect much less
love a man and have vast delusions about what they deserve.
The 50 and over American women are riddled with anger and seem to to have nothing that gives them pleasure.
This post is slightly exaggerated, I admit, but only slightly.
By the way, guys, get ready for those, “Every kiss begins at Kay’s!” which kinda really tells you where it at when it comes to love and romance.
As my cousin said, “It’s just as easy to love a rich man as a poor man.”
Ah! The ring of truth.
November 4, 2007 at 6:19 pm
amfortas said,
November 4, 2007 at 7:13 pm
fourthwire said,
So grow a set, Glenn, and stop attempting to be “decent” to a group of bitches who would happily neuter everyone born with a penis!
They don’t respect you, they will hate you anyway, and they are certainly rather uninterested in your opinions about them under all circumstances.
November 4, 2007 at 9:40 pm
hi_mynameis said,
November 12, 2007 at 9:38 am
elliotb said,
Right, so female feminists want to cut off the penises of their lovers and husbands and fathers and cousins and … where are you getting this research from? Oh right, almost forgot…your own deluded imaginings.
Not all feminists are women, by the way. And though I find it completely irrelevant and honestly idiotic to pin so much worth on their looks when men can do nearly everything they want in life even if they were born as ugly as the back of a donkey, many feminist women are attractive.
“What makes American women so unattractive isn’t their looks, which are probably evenly distributed between feminists and non-femininists, but the attitude of hatred and entitlement that make them unbearable.”
Let me get this straight. You think that all American *women* are hateful and prone to entitlement? Entitlement to what? Have you looked scrupulously at the actions of any American men lately? Oh wait… this is a men’s publication. How silly of me.
“They think that all men are stupid, have no idea of how to respect much less
love a man and have vast delusions about what they deserve.”
No, they just don’t love shortsighted idiots who, for example, post such articles of drivel in men’s publications. What you fail to realize is that many feminists find quite decent men and often *gasp* even marry them. But they don’t have to. And why should a woman’s worth be determined by her ability to love a man?
And what, exactly, are these cast delusions about what they deserve? Could you elaborate? What exactly should our fellow human beings be denied?
“The 50 and over American women are riddled with anger and seem to to have nothing that gives them pleasure.”
You feel that you can speak for a whole section of the American population. How impressive.
“This post is slightly exaggerated, I admit, but only slightly.”
Oh my. I can’t contain my grin.
So I leave you with this:
“Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings.” –Cheris Kramerae
do your research before you spew such mindless hatred.
Thanks.
Elliot B.
November 12, 2007 at 10:23 am
kissmypineapple said,
I think that Glen is correct to point out that you don’t want to sink to the level of gradeschool taunts. It accomplishes nothing and only reinforces the worst that people will believe in you. It is not constructive (and not particularly accurate either) to characterize liberal women as ugly. For one thing, why is that important? You may not like Hilary Clinton, and you may find her utterly unattractive, but that has no affect on her ability to govern, nor has it impeded her success. Pleny of unattractive men have become very powerful players in Washington, regardless of their ease on the eyes. It’s a silly argument, and while I’m sure that Glen and I disagree on nearly everything else, he’s right to want no part of it.
November 12, 2007 at 11:56 am
Denis said,
November 12, 2007 at 12:39 pm
caryj24 said,
November 12, 2007 at 1:02 pm
mruffolo said,
That feminist are pro-abortion. The doctor could not perform several abortions on baby in a mother without her consent. This mother attempted to have her child aborted a few times, so this mother is probably a feminist.
I sense by your style of logic and quickness to anger that you too may be a feminist. Welcome to our site.
In the future note that sometimes I post on this site for other pro-equal rights people to only share articles. Sometimes it is relevant some time it is not.
November 12, 2007 at 3:42 pm
mimo92 said,
This person summed this page up best:
“OMFG! I had no idea! Prior to reading the comments I actually liked men just fine… even dated them! I had no idea I was defying the paradigm of what a feminist could be…. I need to leave work right now, get my Birkenstocks, grab a great big knife (I’m naming her Emasculator), and head out to do some man hating. I haven’t even eaten man in, like, a month. So much to do, so little time. My partner is going to be so sad to find out that I need to become middle-aged, unattractive, and (presumably) a lesbian now, lest I cease to fit into the box the republi-bots decided I fit in. Damn. Damn, I say.
I can’t even really be mad at those men. It’s like getting mad at a cross eyed cat for running into your rose bowl. It’s not their fault their brains don’t function correctly. Seriously, that much hatred has to burn out vital neurological functions.”
November 12, 2007 at 4:10 pm
college activist said,
..Ive never met a feminist that was about equality!!
….Most of the feminists I’ve met were about hogging more state/federal femi-pork by promulgateing more and more women-as-victim agit prop on every billboard that could hold another poster!!
..They are feeding like hogs at the trough on state/federal pork…And farmers know when hogs are feeding you have to remove the young hogs because when these girls get feeding, they will in fact feed on everything in their path including their own young!!
November 12, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Denis said,
November 13, 2007 at 12:10 pm
MaireadL said,
Mature adults realize that every group has some idiots, but that dismissing an entire group of people because you know one idiot is a silly thing to do.
I’m a feminist. I’m very attractive and I have an amazing boyfriend who I love very much. I have lots of men friends and relatives who I adore. I think that men as a whole are awesome people. I do want to be paid the same as men are paid for doing the same job, but that hardly makes me a bitch or a man-hater, it just makes me sensible.
November 13, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Denis said,
2.) Women take sole custody of the children more than 70% of the time.
3.) Family Courts routinely ignore the visitation rights of fathers.
4.) Women use the nuclear option of “domestic violence” to gain sole custody of children and ownership of assets as this tactic is now routinely recommended by Family Law lawyers even though it has been shown that domestic violence is committed by women about as frequently as domestic violence committed by men, and most reported cases of DV in divorce proceedings are untrue but never questioned in court.
5.) Women via preferential affirmative action laws have for decades been hired and promoted over men simply because they have a vagina.
6.) Women have been handed the dominate position of greater rights and greater economic position and opportunity in the world of work (formerly the male dominated sphere) due to affirmative action laws going back decades while the female dominated sphere, the family, continues to be owned solely by females. See 1.), 2.), 3.), & 4.).
7.) Whereas throughout history, however diificult life was for women, it has always been more difficult for men. Men used to have concurrent rights with responsibilities while women always had privileges and favored status. Men no longer have concurrent rights. They are fourth class citizens behind women, children, and pets.
8.) Due to the VAWA men can be ejected from their home and separated from their children by the state without any due process rights on the basis only of a phone call by a woman.
9.) Three young men at Duke university almost spent 30+ years of their lives in jail on false charges of rape on the word only of a woman. Their families today have over $1 million in legal fees each. The state, the media, and univerisity officials almost succeeded in their high tech lynching of these innocent men. Almost everyday we read about DNA test exonerating men who were falsely accused of rape and who, in many cases, spend years behind bars.
10.) Women routinely get a slap on the hand for the sexual molestation of minors-a crime that will get a man 20+ years in jail.
11.) The wife of a preacher was recently set free after being found not guilty in the murder of her preacher husband. In this case, the woman shot the man in the back while he was asleep. There was no verifiable proof of any DV against this woman or the children at anytime in their marriage. In fact, the children are on record as saying there was no violence in their home. This same crime by a man would result in a life sentence or the death penalty.
I could go on and on and on. I haven’t even scratched the surface when considering how much I have posted about this the last 6 years. And you are telling the men here about fairness that affects YOU!!!
Perhaps my fellow MRA brothers can continue this list. (It does get tiring at times to have to respond to such female ignorance so often.)
It is so predictable that American women call themselves feminists and harp about fairness when it is not they who get treated unfairly but rather the men who do. What is also predictable is that women will never defend men and never fight against the injustices against men. They will only talk about themselves.
For them, it’s always about them.
Always is.
Always was.
November 13, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Roger Knight said,
You may think that being a feminist means you support equal rights between the sexes, but that is not what Denis describes. For us “feminist” means “feminazi”.
MaireadL, I like to believe that you are not a feminazi. I would feel better, however, if you did not behave like the “good Germans” who were in denial of what had been happening to the Jews.
If you conclude that what Denis describes should be stopped, we welcome you.
Just remember, you need not be in denial to assert that you are not a man-hater. Being in denial makes us men wonder and gets on our nerves. When all you have to do is strip away the denial, and clearly state that you oppose this crap.
That’s all we ask.
November 13, 2007 at 10:57 pm
mruffolo said,
Abortion is legal; women are no longer housewives; women graduate at greater rates; the government incents women business ventures with low cost loans; divorce is easy (unilateral and no-fault), and mom’s are rewarded by the government after divorce with kids, 18 years of tax free income, and property; women live about 10% longer on average than men; more money is spend on women’s health care; they have women’s right groups and men do not; men are blamed for the things that go wrong in family, business, and religion; women demand and mostly still get chivalry; men still get stuck doing jobs they can get hurt on or die; a man is imprisoned for failure to pay cild support while a women has never been imprisoned for the same; that America has only 5% of the world’s population, yet America is home to 25% of the world’s inmate population - 95% of American prisoners are men; churches are feminized (for example,mothers day women are honored, father’s day men are challenged to serve their wives); the media worships woman and goofs on men; academics care little attract men and or retain men; elementary and high school teachers are women’s clubs;
Yeah, things are not equal between men and women.
November 13, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Denis said,
Typical.
November 15, 2007 at 9:18 am
GreatMRNI said,
November 15, 2007 at 1:53 pm