Comments on: OK, Mom Let the Child Die, but at Least They Didn’t Give the Dad Custody http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:28:59 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Sweater http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-54621 Sweater Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:38:33 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-54621 Well, what I was saying before (to wrap up both comments) is that feminism is NOT the key issue ... which someone above had mentioned... it really is male and female stereotypes... women are supposed to have children (according to our society!) and take care of them etc. men are not. Men have just as much right to custody as mothers... and extensive research and understanding should go into figuring out who is actually right for the child... mother or father (because like I said before... there are dead beat moms and dads) and not only the mother is wrong in the article above, but so was the judge. We need to take a good look at who these judges are that are granting custody only to women.. because that is an old 'traditional' practice, not a progressive one. Well, what I was saying before (to wrap up both comments) is that feminism is NOT the key issue … which someone above had mentioned… it really is male and female stereotypes… women are supposed to have children (according to our society!) and take care of them etc. men are not. Men have just as much right to custody as mothers… and extensive research and understanding should go into figuring out who is actually right for the child… mother or father (because like I said before… there are dead beat moms and dads) and not only the mother is wrong in the article above, but so was the judge. We need to take a good look at who these judges are that are granting custody only to women.. because that is an old ‘traditional’ practice, not a progressive one.

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When a mother puts in 40 hours per week earning a paycheck, that does not disqualify her from custody of her children.

What disqualifies the father is the mother not being dead, drug addicted, or in prison for a long stretch on felony conviction.

The reason for this, is money and the greed of the decision makers, of course.

]]> By: Sweater http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-54591 Sweater Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:58:34 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-54591 Let's not point fingers and saying that other people have issues... because i don't think that someone's opinion is an 'issue'... it's an opinion only. And yes, you do make a very good point, and I agree that a lot of concepts behind alimony, child support, and custody are pretty messed up now. But most people have to work 40 hours a week today too... not just the male 'breadwinner'... Most women have to work 40 hours a week as well (especially single parents). But the laws behind alimony, child support, and custody were created a long time ago, when women were not breadwinners... and would actually need that support to survive because the only job they could get would be waitressing, teaching, or being a secretary. Time have changed and I think that alimony, child support, and custody should change with them. I'm not saying that men shouldn't be able to get custody, they should, and I believe that there are many women out there that woudln't want custody/shouldn't want custody of their children. And that goes for men too. Let’s not point fingers and saying that other people have issues… because i don’t think that someone’s opinion is an ‘issue’… it’s an opinion only.

And yes, you do make a very good point, and I agree that a lot of concepts behind alimony, child support, and custody are pretty messed up now. But most people have to work 40 hours a week today too… not just the male ‘breadwinner’… Most women have to work 40 hours a week as well (especially single parents). But the laws behind alimony, child support, and custody were created a long time ago, when women were not breadwinners… and would actually need that support to survive because the only job they could get would be waitressing, teaching, or being a secretary. Time have changed and I think that alimony, child support, and custody should change with them. I’m not saying that men shouldn’t be able to get custody, they should, and I believe that there are many women out there that woudln’t want custody/shouldn’t want custody of their children. And that goes for men too.

]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-54561 Roger Knight Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:53:38 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-54561 Sweater, you have issues. I can tell you for a FACT that if a father spends 40 hours a week earning the paycheck, that is reason enough to deprive him of custody in a divorce proceeding. The reason judges rule against breadwinning fathers is to maximise the transfer of assets and money from the breadwinner to the non-breadwinner, with the leaches in the government and divorce law firms taking their cut. Sweater, you have issues.

I can tell you for a FACT that if a father spends 40 hours a week earning the paycheck, that is reason enough to deprive him of custody in a divorce proceeding.

The reason judges rule against breadwinning fathers is to maximise the transfer of assets and money from the breadwinner to the non-breadwinner, with the leaches in the government and divorce law firms taking their cut.

]]> By: Sweater http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-54544 Sweater Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:58:15 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-54544 In response to the statement that "Sadly feminism has not been good for children." It is NOT feminism's fault that this woman didn't take care of her child. It's HER fault only. And as for political correctness involving custody, that is something that was instilled long before feminism came about! Women stayed home and cared for children and kept house. Men were the breadwinners. That's patriarchy's fault that women continue to have automatic custody of children, because of the original gender rolls that society placed on the sexes. For some reason society thinks that women should get the children over men because children need a mom not a dad... but that's not a feminist thing either. Women are taught from a young age to NEED children. Men are taught to WANT children, and men usually don't take as much responsibility that women do with them (stereotypically... and I'm basing that on MY experiences and experiences of my friends as well, our mothers raised us AND went to work and cleaned and cooked, our fathers saw us at night, ate dinner, and then took us out sometimes on weekends... our moms took us to school, went to work, picked us up, made us lunches etc... they did the hard work), so courts tend to favor women because of that. I think that this woman was terrible, and whichever judge ruled in her favor and allowed her to care for her child was crazy... but, I do know men that went through severe year+ long custody battles and did obtain full custody of their children! I know both dead beat dads and dead beat moms... both of them exist and are equally detrimental to women... but feminism is not the culprit! Also, I noticed that NOTHING was said in the article above but the fact that the father wasn't given custody. Who is the father? Where does he live? Does he have a job? etc. Something, perhaps, during the custody battle, made the judge rule in favor of the mother? Extenuating circumstances: drug tests, unemployment verses employment, etc. could have been a good reason not to let the father have the child even if he wants custody. In response to the statement that “Sadly feminism has not been good for children.” It is NOT feminism’s fault that this woman didn’t take care of her child. It’s HER fault only. And as for political correctness involving custody, that is something that was instilled long before feminism came about! Women stayed home and cared for children and kept house. Men were the breadwinners. That’s patriarchy’s fault that women continue to have automatic custody of children, because of the original gender rolls that society placed on the sexes. For some reason society thinks that women should get the children over men because children need a mom not a dad… but that’s not a feminist thing either. Women are taught from a young age to NEED children. Men are taught to WANT children, and men usually don’t take as much responsibility that women do with them (stereotypically… and I’m basing that on MY experiences and experiences of my friends as well, our mothers raised us AND went to work and cleaned and cooked, our fathers saw us at night, ate dinner, and then took us out sometimes on weekends… our moms took us to school, went to work, picked us up, made us lunches etc… they did the hard work), so courts tend to favor women because of that.

I think that this woman was terrible, and whichever judge ruled in her favor and allowed her to care for her child was crazy… but, I do know men that went through severe year+ long custody battles and did obtain full custody of their children! I know both dead beat dads and dead beat moms… both of them exist and are equally detrimental to women… but feminism is not the culprit!

Also, I noticed that NOTHING was said in the article above but the fact that the father wasn’t given custody. Who is the father? Where does he live? Does he have a job? etc. Something, perhaps, during the custody battle, made the judge rule in favor of the mother? Extenuating circumstances: drug tests, unemployment verses employment, etc. could have been a good reason not to let the father have the child even if he wants custody.

]]> By: TheManOnTheStreet http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-54475 TheManOnTheStreet Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:34:01 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-54475 Wow, it's a good thing that they system had the best interest of the child in mind..... Pathetic.... If it was so damned difficult and such a burden to take care of the child, why didn't she 'allow' the father custody... I'll tell you why, because the child was "hers".. Her property. In her eyes and in the eyes of the courts. Let the tears flow and the killer walk. As per the norm when one has a vagina. TMOTS Wow, it’s a good thing that they system had the best interest of the child in mind…..

Pathetic….

If it was so damned difficult and such a burden to take care of the child, why didn’t she ‘allow’ the father custody…

I’ll tell you why, because the child was “hers”.. Her property. In her eyes and in the eyes of the courts.

Let the tears flow and the killer walk. As per the norm when one has a vagina.

TMOTS

]]> By: JamesH http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/09/ok-mom-let-the-child-die-but-at-least-they-didnt-give-the-dad-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-54445 JamesH Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:35:38 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-54445 Two things that are very sad about this is case, is that firstly excuses will be made for the mothers behaviour, now if it had been the father who caused the death of this child. no excuse would be accepted. The second is that custody of children is given to mothers because of political correctness, all levels from child protection workers up to the judges have it in their thick skulls that the best interest of the child, is with it's mother. This is despite the fact that mothers commit the majority of child abuse. One of the arguements presented against shared parenting has been that it will be giving abusers custody. The Abusers are already given custody some times like this with tragic results. Sadly feminism has not been good for children. Two things that are very sad about this is case, is that firstly excuses will be made for the mothers behaviour, now if it had been the father who caused the death of this child. no excuse would be accepted.

The second is that custody of children is given to mothers because of political correctness, all levels from child protection workers up to the judges have it in their thick skulls that the best interest of the child, is with it’s mother. This is despite the fact that mothers commit the majority of child abuse.

One of the arguements presented against shared parenting has been that it will be giving abusers custody. The Abusers are already given custody some times like this with tragic results.

Sadly feminism has not been good for children.

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