Please prove that I was fighting your “activism.” I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I rail against whining, not against taking massive action.

In addition, I prohibit commenters from getting off-topic, from writing articles within my article, and from engaging in dialogs that should conducted offline.

Me and Greg Amunrud, and Greg’s attorney Robert Stevens, were doing the cojones thing by petitioning the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari.

I must admit it is mighty lonely charging across no mans land while the rest of the mens rights people are waiting in the trenches for me to win and going tsk tsk when I don’t.

Instead of waving your poms poms and cheering us on, providing the vital publicity support necessary for the Supremes to decide to hear a case out of the thousands of petitions they receive,

you fought me because you seemed to think that my activism was taking away from your points about the estrogen express and the clitoral hood.

Might I suggest that when someone does grow a pair and put up a fight, we can at least support him in his efforts?

Please pardon my belly aching and whining.

DING DING DING DING!!!!!!

Yes, the deck is most definitely stacked against us. So give up and die, or FIGHT!!!!

Marc, you just said, in eleven words, what we’ve spent years yakking about. Outstanding, and eloquent.

Buck up, grow a pair, and take control of your lives. The decisions you make determine the paths you take.

Commiseration is a waste of time. Successful people take massive action. They spend 20% of the time discussing the problem and 80% of the time solving it.

12. fourthwire.
About 30 years ago I was up to my a.. in alligators so it was difficult to plan how to drain a swamp.
But then there was Fathers United in our area an I went thee for about 10 years., initiallly to solve my own problem and then to help other fathers with their questions ,testify in legislature and write comments to newspapers.
Your advice to follow Marc Rudov’s ” strike first” was what we learned from each other. But to practice what we preached is tough, since hope springs eternal.
Perhaps it’s time to read Hemlocksociety’s book “Final Exit”. Fathers United faded away due to apathy and if you fight the system you’re treated like the story of “The Man from La Mancha”.

anti-armchair general, you might well be “scared”, but a man has two choices when his trouble-meter is flashing: do nothing and accept being a doormat or try to minimize the damage through proactive efforts, as Marc suggests.

And for those men who do nothing and wait for their wives to make the first move, they will likely be forced to pay through the nose.

The best option is of course to never marry, cohabit, or procreate. The next best option for men in the event of forebodings of a coming divorce is to file for divorce themselves.

That’s no guarantee of getting out of the divorce painlessly, but doing so can not only protect men financially (to a degree), it can save quite a bit of emotional pain as well.

Marc has provided you with his valuable perspectives on divorce and men’s interests . Take that advice to heart; in this misandry-ridden nation, he has kept his cujones intact. Now you keep yours.

“Whenever lawyers talk about the business cycles and ask one another what is the slowest and busiest time of year, the family lawyer always seems to say the same thing. That is, that it is busy all the time (Who’d dare say otherwise?), but the flow of new clients seems always to pick up right after Christmas. Now there are many theories about this.”

http://patriot.net/~crouch/flnc/joys.html

A divorce lawyer now released a divorce guide for the divorce season.

http://www.ajc.com/holidayguide/content/holidayguide/stories/2007/12/06/mayoue_1208.html

You will not find the main stream media reporting news that affects so many men. But you will here. Sweet.

Great job Marc on dishonoring dad ads on Fox. You speak the truth, then win easily. I expect that your not on NOW’s any liberal’s card list this year.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/divorce.htm

About 70% of women initiate divorce – about 1,200,000 men yearly are defendants in court.

http://marriage.rutgers.edu/Publications/pubtoptenmyths.htm

About 50% of the men, who are defendants, did not expect a divorce from the wife – about 600,000 men yearly.

That America has one of the highest divorce rates in the world of about 220 countries.

http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsWorld.shtml

Been awhile. Thanks Marc..I always look to see if you have something posted. This one hits where I’ve BEEN living.
I’ve been lurking around a forum where divorced or divorcing people post….ostensibly I’m doing “research”. And for months now I’ve been combating the women there, who though it is Christian forum and they profess to be super solid family matters people, are just as if not more entitlement oriented about the availability of easy divorce.

Amfortas…good to see you are still typing.

If you WAIT for HER to strike first, you CANNOT pre-empt some of the very nastiness (albeit not all of it!) that you claim she can still command.

If you WAIT for HER to strike first, you can pre-empt some of the very nastiness (albeit not all of it!) that you claim she can still command.

Of course “striking first” for a guy means seeing a competent divorce attorney and getting your legal ducks lined up in order to come out ahead.

Yes, women have distinct advantages to play upon, as you mention, in the case of divorce….. but waiting for her to make the first move at her convenience (i.e. after New Year’s Day) simply makes matters EVEN WORSE for the man.

So…. striking first is the best of a limited series of options available to a married man with forebodings of a failed marriage, as Marc points out.

Unfortunately, striking first, as you suggest, only means theat you are VOLUNTEERING to be destroyed by this evil system.

She can still use the protection order racket to seize control of the house and the kids. All she has to do is lie through her teeth about what an abusive bastard you are and that she is “afraid” of you.

So striking first is not necessarily good for the man.

“If women cared so much about marriage and family, as they always claim when you meet them, they would lobby their elected representatives to equalize the reproductive, custody, homestead, paternity, and child-support laws.

Have you ever seen this happen?

Never.

Have you ever heard a politician promise to make this happen?

Never.

Women benefit from divorce, and that’s why they are happy with the anti-male status quo.”

A sound lesson there, Marc.

The follow-on is even better.

“To avoid divorce in the other 11 months, with complete certitude, never marry in the first place.

My ex did exactly what you describe. She contacted a divorce attorney in January, right after Christmas with her folks, and had papers drawn up to serve me the first week of February, the same day the moving truck pulled away from our home bound for our new home in California.

It was a preemptive strike, and I was none the wiser until one of the movers directed the process server to me.

Beware the January divorce indeed.