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	<title>Comments on: The Howard Appledorf Murder and me</title>
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		<title>By: Charlotte_Laws</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56751</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte_Laws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot seem to find out whether anyone was prosecuted for the death of Professor Appledorf. Do you have any information about this? 

I was also a student in his food science class back in 1979 or 1980. 

Thank you,

Dr. Charlotte Laws
Los Angeles, California</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot seem to find out whether anyone was prosecuted for the death of Professor Appledorf. Do you have any information about this? </p>
<p>I was also a student in his food science class back in 1979 or 1980. </p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Dr. Charlotte Laws<br />
Los Angeles, California</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise:  &quot;As of yesterday, there is a new file in my filing cabinet. It is called &quot;Hetherington&quot; and contains articles I ran off about his case. I plan to run off more, read them, and eventually devote a blog to him.&quot;

fourthwire:  Taking you at your word, I am well-pleased.    I ask only that you DO write the blog, to the best of your considerable writing ability, Denise.

Denise:  &quot;Write that letter!&quot;

fourthwire:   It will be done.   I cannot possibly write it before January 2nd of this New Year, but since you are apparently showing good faith, how could I do less?

Now, just to be certain that my letter is written properly, please give me any special instructions about the letter that you see fit.  

You are welcome to provide such &quot;advice&quot; either as a post, or else to use one of my &quot;throwaway&quot; email accounts:  beltfed.weapon@hotmail.com

I want you to get that contract.   Help me to help you......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise:  &#8220;As of yesterday, there is a new file in my filing cabinet. It is called &#8220;Hetherington&#8221; and contains articles I ran off about his case. I plan to run off more, read them, and eventually devote a blog to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  Taking you at your word, I am well-pleased.    I ask only that you DO write the blog, to the best of your considerable writing ability, Denise.</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;Write that letter!&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:   It will be done.   I cannot possibly write it before January 2nd of this New Year, but since you are apparently showing good faith, how could I do less?</p>
<p>Now, just to be certain that my letter is written properly, please give me any special instructions about the letter that you see fit.  </p>
<p>You are welcome to provide such &#8220;advice&#8221; either as a post, or else to use one of my &#8220;throwaway&#8221; email accounts:  <a href="mailto:beltfed.weapon@hotmail.com">beltfed.weapon@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>I want you to get that contract.   Help me to help you&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56336</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fourthwire said,

Denise, please answer WHY you are able to write on any number of subjects without me writing to anyone……………

……. yet for you to write about William Hetherington, you want me to convince someone to give you a contract?

(Denise) As of yesterday, there is a new file in my filing cabinet. It is called &quot;Hetherington&quot; and contains articles I ran off about his case. I plan to run off more, read them, and eventually devote a blog to him.




fourthwire: Who wrote letters in order for you to cover Lizzie Borden&#039;s case?

Mind you, I&#039;m not above writing letters, but I hate I smell a rat here……

(Denise) Write that letter!  The materials I put on my blog have usually previously been published at &quot;The Hatchet: The Journal of Lizzie Borden Studies.&quot; I have a job with them writing &quot;Denise Noe&#039;s Lizzie Whittlings.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fourthwire said,</p>
<p>Denise, please answer WHY you are able to write on any number of subjects without me writing to anyone……………</p>
<p>……. yet for you to write about William Hetherington, you want me to convince someone to give you a contract?</p>
<p>(Denise) As of yesterday, there is a new file in my filing cabinet. It is called &#8220;Hetherington&#8221; and contains articles I ran off about his case. I plan to run off more, read them, and eventually devote a blog to him.</p>
<p>fourthwire: Who wrote letters in order for you to cover Lizzie Borden&#8217;s case?</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m not above writing letters, but I hate I smell a rat here……</p>
<p>(Denise) Write that letter!  The materials I put on my blog have usually previously been published at &#8220;The Hatchet: The Journal of Lizzie Borden Studies.&#8221; I have a job with them writing &#8220;Denise Noe&#8217;s Lizzie Whittlings.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56323</link>
		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another typo - last sentence should read:

&quot;Mind you, I&#039;m not above writing letters, but I smell a rat here……&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another typo &#8211; last sentence should read:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mind you, I&#8217;m not above writing letters, but I smell a rat here……&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56321</link>
		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise, please answer WHY you are able to write on any number of subjects without me writing to anyone...............

....... yet for you to write about William Hetherington, you want me to convince someone to give you a contract?

Who wrote letters in order for you to cover Lizzie Borden&#039;s case?

Mind you, I&#039;m not above writing letters, but I hate I smell a rat here......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise, please answer WHY you are able to write on any number of subjects without me writing to anyone&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;. yet for you to write about William Hetherington, you want me to convince someone to give you a contract?</p>
<p>Who wrote letters in order for you to cover Lizzie Borden&#8217;s case?</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m not above writing letters, but I hate I smell a rat here&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise, Thank you for an answer which satisfies the letter if not the spirit of the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise, Thank you for an answer which satisfies the letter if not the spirit of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56289</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steven deluca said,

women invented the dishwasher? No wonder they are always telling men how to properly load one. smile

(Denise) I believe that the vast majority of household appliances, which have done so much to ease women&#039;s lives, were invented by men. However, the dishwasher was indeed invented by a woman. But not the sort of woman you might expect. She was a wealthy socialite who had never washed a dish in her life. She often gave parties and was upset that her servants tended to break some of her precious dishes. She went to the garage and got a few wires and things and put together a rough version of a dishwasher to address this problem.
Anyway, back to the topic of the blog: have you checked out my Howard Appledorf story? I&#039;d be most interested in any reaction you might have, Steven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steven deluca said,</p>
<p>women invented the dishwasher? No wonder they are always telling men how to properly load one. smile</p>
<p>(Denise) I believe that the vast majority of household appliances, which have done so much to ease women&#8217;s lives, were invented by men. However, the dishwasher was indeed invented by a woman. But not the sort of woman you might expect. She was a wealthy socialite who had never washed a dish in her life. She often gave parties and was upset that her servants tended to break some of her precious dishes. She went to the garage and got a few wires and things and put together a rough version of a dishwasher to address this problem.<br />
Anyway, back to the topic of the blog: have you checked out my Howard Appledorf story? I&#8217;d be most interested in any reaction you might have, Steven.</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56272</link>
		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise:  &quot;I may write something about it. Heck, I HAVE written more than a bit about it — in my correspondence with you!&quot;

fourthwire:  Indeed.   Adding a blog with your name on it would be another step forward for you.

Denise:  &quot;I know that the Hetherington case has become something of a cause celebre for you and some other people. &quot;

fourthwire:  No more and no less than the Matt Winkler case is, precisely because both men suffered and both of their wives got away with murder, legally (one of them literally so).

Denise:  &quot;It could very well be an injustice as the Arbuckle and Frank cases were.&quot;

fourthwire:   That depends on whether you consider a man being incarcerated for 30 years without parole simply to suit his ex-wife&#039;s greed and adultery..... because our nation&#039;s laws and courts are fraught with misandry.

The fact that he was not permitted to even cross-examine his ex-wife after her accusations of &quot;spousal rape&quot; might also point toward injustice.

Do you need me to draw it in crayon?......;-)

Denise:  &quot;However, it is also true that some cause celebres seem to fall apart when the other side is presented or at least to appear far more ambiguous than they seem when discussed by their partisans.&quot;

fourthwire:  Consider that Michigan&#039;s feminazis keep pressure on the Michigan state parole board to ensure that William Hetherington is never given parole.   That, in conjunction with the harshness of the sentence itself, the dubious fashion in which he was never allowed to properly defend himself, had his assets seized so that he could hire legal defense, the inadmissable letter from their babysitter pointing out that Mrs. Hetherington was engaging in adultery and wanted her husband out of the way without risking losing the house and children to him...... is any of this scenario pointing at misandry through &quot;spousal rape&quot; laws yet?

Denise:  I will state that I don&#039;t believe &quot;prisoner denies the offense&quot; should be grounds for denying parole and Schlafly said in her column that this is the reason Hetherington has been denied parole.&quot;

fourthwire:   Well that&#039;s big of you.  Long ago, you pronounced your support for &quot;spousal rape&quot; laws.   And now I&#039;m showing you just how women use those very laws to demonize men, lock them up for decades, take away their freedoms, and have them branded the most heinous of criminals.......

..... to satisfy the hatred for everyone born with a penis by the feminazis.........

..... not to mention to provide women with safe, convenient ways of disposing of their husbands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise:  &#8220;I may write something about it. Heck, I HAVE written more than a bit about it — in my correspondence with you!&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  Indeed.   Adding a blog with your name on it would be another step forward for you.</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;I know that the Hetherington case has become something of a cause celebre for you and some other people. &#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  No more and no less than the Matt Winkler case is, precisely because both men suffered and both of their wives got away with murder, legally (one of them literally so).</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;It could very well be an injustice as the Arbuckle and Frank cases were.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:   That depends on whether you consider a man being incarcerated for 30 years without parole simply to suit his ex-wife&#8217;s greed and adultery&#8230;.. because our nation&#8217;s laws and courts are fraught with misandry.</p>
<p>The fact that he was not permitted to even cross-examine his ex-wife after her accusations of &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; might also point toward injustice.</p>
<p>Do you need me to draw it in crayon?&#8230;&#8230;;-)</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;However, it is also true that some cause celebres seem to fall apart when the other side is presented or at least to appear far more ambiguous than they seem when discussed by their partisans.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  Consider that Michigan&#8217;s feminazis keep pressure on the Michigan state parole board to ensure that William Hetherington is never given parole.   That, in conjunction with the harshness of the sentence itself, the dubious fashion in which he was never allowed to properly defend himself, had his assets seized so that he could hire legal defense, the inadmissable letter from their babysitter pointing out that Mrs. Hetherington was engaging in adultery and wanted her husband out of the way without risking losing the house and children to him&#8230;&#8230; is any of this scenario pointing at misandry through &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; laws yet?</p>
<p>Denise:  I will state that I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;prisoner denies the offense&#8221; should be grounds for denying parole and Schlafly said in her column that this is the reason Hetherington has been denied parole.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:   Well that&#8217;s big of you.  Long ago, you pronounced your support for &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; laws.   And now I&#8217;m showing you just how women use those very laws to demonize men, lock them up for decades, take away their freedoms, and have them branded the most heinous of criminals&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.. to satisfy the hatred for everyone born with a penis by the feminazis&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;.. not to mention to provide women with safe, convenient ways of disposing of their husbands.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56268</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fourthwire: So….. why is it that you need a contract in order to write about the rape of William Hetherington by his own wife in criminal court (with support from Michigan&#039;s feminazis…..)?

(Denise) I may write something about it. Heck, I HAVE written more than a bit about it -- in my correspondence with you!  
    I also put Phyllis Schlafly&#039;s column on the case up at soc.men.
    A contract would be helpful to do a really THOROUGH investigation of any case. I know that the Hetherington case has become something of a cause celebre for you and some other people. It could very well be an injustice as the Arbuckle and Frank cases were. However, it is also true that some cause celebres seem to fall apart when the other side is presented or at least to appear far more ambiguous than they seem when discussed by their partisans.
    I will state that I don&#039;t believe &quot;prisoner denies the offense&quot; should be grounds for denying parole and Schlafly said in her column that this is the reason Hetherington has been denied parole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fourthwire: So….. why is it that you need a contract in order to write about the rape of William Hetherington by his own wife in criminal court (with support from Michigan&#8217;s feminazis…..)?</p>
<p>(Denise) I may write something about it. Heck, I HAVE written more than a bit about it &#8212; in my correspondence with you!<br />
    I also put Phyllis Schlafly&#8217;s column on the case up at soc.men.<br />
    A contract would be helpful to do a really THOROUGH investigation of any case. I know that the Hetherington case has become something of a cause celebre for you and some other people. It could very well be an injustice as the Arbuckle and Frank cases were. However, it is also true that some cause celebres seem to fall apart when the other side is presented or at least to appear far more ambiguous than they seem when discussed by their partisans.<br />
    I will state that I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;prisoner denies the offense&#8221; should be grounds for denying parole and Schlafly said in her column that this is the reason Hetherington has been denied parole.</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56266</link>
		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise:  &quot;I know you&#039;re already up on the case. I suggested you write to Crime Library so they might decide to put something up on it and hire a writer to thoroughly research this case. I even thought that perhaps I might be the writer assigned to it so I would have the resources and time available to thoroughly research it.&quot;

fourthwire:  Are you telling me that you can only write about cases that the Crime Library is paying you to write about?

Denise:  &quot;I&#039;m aware that justice can, and does, go wrong. I wrote the Crime Library article on the Roscoe &quot;Fatty&quot; Arbuckle case. That comedian was falsely accused of a rape-murder. I also wrote the crimemagazine.com article about Leo Frank, a man lynched for a sex-murder he did not commit.&quot;

fourthwire:   When men are completely at the mercy of women to tell the truth, as are cases involving &quot;spousal rape&quot;, justice not only cannot go wrong.... justice has been completely perverted, just to satisfy the feminazis and their sychophants.

Men who go to prison because their words are not enough to protect them from lies about spousal rape are being raped themselves, Denise.   

And most women (yourself included) don&#039;t seem to mind that men have been provided with inferior criminal rights, particularly regarding spousal rape or even rape in general. 

Denise:  &quot;I wasn&#039;t suggesting you become a permanent blogger. Perhaps Mr. LaSalle would put up your essay as a stand-alone piece.&quot;

fourthwire:  Still not interested.   It&#039;s much more satisfying to poke holes in bloggers&#039; hypocrisy and double standards, anyway.     

Or observe the extent to which they will go to keep their heads in the sand.........;-)

Denise:  &quot;I do consider your advice, fourthwire. If I could get a contract to research the William J. Hetherington case, I would take it.&quot;

fourthwire:  I doubt very much that you need a contract to support what you write, Denise.....  Who keeps giving you contracts to write about Lizzie Borden, obscure literary works, and other aspects of your usual fare?

For that matter, who has been giving you contracts to write about homosexuals?

Nobody.

So..... why is it that you need a contract in order to write about the rape of William Hetherington by his own wife in criminal court (with support from Michigan&#039;s feminazis.....)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise:  &#8220;I know you&#8217;re already up on the case. I suggested you write to Crime Library so they might decide to put something up on it and hire a writer to thoroughly research this case. I even thought that perhaps I might be the writer assigned to it so I would have the resources and time available to thoroughly research it.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  Are you telling me that you can only write about cases that the Crime Library is paying you to write about?</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;I&#8217;m aware that justice can, and does, go wrong. I wrote the Crime Library article on the Roscoe &#8220;Fatty&#8221; Arbuckle case. That comedian was falsely accused of a rape-murder. I also wrote the crimemagazine.com article about Leo Frank, a man lynched for a sex-murder he did not commit.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:   When men are completely at the mercy of women to tell the truth, as are cases involving &#8220;spousal rape&#8221;, justice not only cannot go wrong&#8230;. justice has been completely perverted, just to satisfy the feminazis and their sychophants.</p>
<p>Men who go to prison because their words are not enough to protect them from lies about spousal rape are being raped themselves, Denise.   </p>
<p>And most women (yourself included) don&#8217;t seem to mind that men have been provided with inferior criminal rights, particularly regarding spousal rape or even rape in general. </p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;I wasn&#8217;t suggesting you become a permanent blogger. Perhaps Mr. LaSalle would put up your essay as a stand-alone piece.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  Still not interested.   It&#8217;s much more satisfying to poke holes in bloggers&#8217; hypocrisy and double standards, anyway.     </p>
<p>Or observe the extent to which they will go to keep their heads in the sand&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;;-)</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;I do consider your advice, fourthwire. If I could get a contract to research the William J. Hetherington case, I would take it.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  I doubt very much that you need a contract to support what you write, Denise&#8230;..  Who keeps giving you contracts to write about Lizzie Borden, obscure literary works, and other aspects of your usual fare?</p>
<p>For that matter, who has been giving you contracts to write about homosexuals?</p>
<p>Nobody.</p>
<p>So&#8230;.. why is it that you need a contract in order to write about the rape of William Hetherington by his own wife in criminal court (with support from Michigan&#8217;s feminazis&#8230;..)?</p>
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		<title>By: steven deluca</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56264</link>
		<dc:creator>steven deluca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>women invented the dishwasher?  No wonder they are always telling men how to properly load one.  smile</description>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56261</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus said,

Denise:
As a woman, you could provide a grest service to readers of mnd by telling us what women owe men. We have been told ad nauseam about what men owe women however we have heard heard precious little about the reverse.
How about it?

(Denise) Good idea, Gus!  I am planning to research an essay tentatively entitled &quot;How Men Liberated Women&quot; about how men&#039;s inventions have so lightened the burdens of traditional women&#039;s work with innovations like the sewing machine, the washing machine (although not the dishwasher which was invented by a woman), the microwave, and other items that men created and women most commonly use. It was men who made childbirth relatively safe. Women also, I believe, owe The Pill and other contraceptive developments to men.
I have to some extent already written about what women owe men. I published two blogs on the Titanic and how women -- quite literally -- owed their lives to the sacrifices of men. My article on Memorial Day is about how women owe the safety of their societies to the sacrifices men make in war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus said,</p>
<p>Denise:<br />
As a woman, you could provide a grest service to readers of mnd by telling us what women owe men. We have been told ad nauseam about what men owe women however we have heard heard precious little about the reverse.<br />
How about it?</p>
<p>(Denise) Good idea, Gus!  I am planning to research an essay tentatively entitled &#8220;How Men Liberated Women&#8221; about how men&#8217;s inventions have so lightened the burdens of traditional women&#8217;s work with innovations like the sewing machine, the washing machine (although not the dishwasher which was invented by a woman), the microwave, and other items that men created and women most commonly use. It was men who made childbirth relatively safe. Women also, I believe, owe The Pill and other contraceptive developments to men.<br />
I have to some extent already written about what women owe men. I published two blogs on the Titanic and how women &#8212; quite literally &#8212; owed their lives to the sacrifices of men. My article on Memorial Day is about how women owe the safety of their societies to the sacrifices men make in war.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise:
   As a woman, you could provide a grest service to readers of mnd by telling us what women owe men.  We have been told ad nauseam about what men owe women however we have heard heard precious little about the reverse.  
How about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise:<br />
   As a woman, you could provide a grest service to readers of mnd by telling us what women owe men.  We have been told ad nauseam about what men owe women however we have heard heard precious little about the reverse.<br />
How about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56253</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fourthwire said,

Denise: &quot;Did you write to Crime Library about this case?&quot;

fourthwire: No. I already know plenty about the case (and about the misandry inherent in our nation&#039;s &quot;spousal rape&quot; laws&quot;).

(Denise) I know you&#039;re already up on the case. I suggested you write to Crime Library so they might decide to put something up on it and hire a writer to thoroughly research this case. I even thought that perhaps I might be the writer assigned to it so I would have the resources and time available to thoroughly research it.



fourthwire: You&#039;re the one apparently needing an education about both, Denise.

Or are you still filtering reality?…….

(Denise) I&#039;m aware that justice can, and does, go wrong. I wrote the Crime Library article on the Roscoe &quot;Fatty&quot; Arbuckle case. That comedian was falsely accused of a rape-murder. I also wrote the crimemagazine.com article about Leo Frank, a man lynched for a sex-murder he did not commit.



Denise: &quot;Since you know so much about Mr. Hetherington, it might be a good idea for you to write an essay on this case and send it to Mike LaSalle. It does indeed sound like something he would probably put up on this forum.&quot;

fourthwire: I do not intend to become a blogger right now.

(Denise) I wasn&#039;t suggesting you become a permanent blogger. Perhaps Mr. LaSalle would put up your essay as a stand-alone piece.

fourthwire: Besides, MND regulars such as Zed, Denis, or the Gonzman would be far better bloggers on MND than I could ever hope to be.

How very much like a woman…… you seek helpful advice on how to improve your writing on a men&#039;s forum……. but you don&#039;t seem to actually be RECEPTIVE to my advice that might ACTUALLY LEAD TO IMPROVEMENT of that writing.

(Denise) I do consider your advice, fourthwire. If I could get a contract to research the William J. Hetherington case, I would take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fourthwire said,</p>
<p>Denise: &#8220;Did you write to Crime Library about this case?&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire: No. I already know plenty about the case (and about the misandry inherent in our nation&#8217;s &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; laws&#8221;).</p>
<p>(Denise) I know you&#8217;re already up on the case. I suggested you write to Crime Library so they might decide to put something up on it and hire a writer to thoroughly research this case. I even thought that perhaps I might be the writer assigned to it so I would have the resources and time available to thoroughly research it.</p>
<p>fourthwire: You&#8217;re the one apparently needing an education about both, Denise.</p>
<p>Or are you still filtering reality?…….</p>
<p>(Denise) I&#8217;m aware that justice can, and does, go wrong. I wrote the Crime Library article on the Roscoe &#8220;Fatty&#8221; Arbuckle case. That comedian was falsely accused of a rape-murder. I also wrote the crimemagazine.com article about Leo Frank, a man lynched for a sex-murder he did not commit.</p>
<p>Denise: &#8220;Since you know so much about Mr. Hetherington, it might be a good idea for you to write an essay on this case and send it to Mike LaSalle. It does indeed sound like something he would probably put up on this forum.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire: I do not intend to become a blogger right now.</p>
<p>(Denise) I wasn&#8217;t suggesting you become a permanent blogger. Perhaps Mr. LaSalle would put up your essay as a stand-alone piece.</p>
<p>fourthwire: Besides, MND regulars such as Zed, Denis, or the Gonzman would be far better bloggers on MND than I could ever hope to be.</p>
<p>How very much like a woman…… you seek helpful advice on how to improve your writing on a men&#8217;s forum……. but you don&#8217;t seem to actually be RECEPTIVE to my advice that might ACTUALLY LEAD TO IMPROVEMENT of that writing.</p>
<p>(Denise) I do consider your advice, fourthwire. If I could get a contract to research the William J. Hetherington case, I would take it.</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56252</link>
		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise:  &quot;Did you write to Crime Library about this case?&quot;

fourthwire:  No.  I already know plenty about the case (and about the misandry inherent in our nation&#039;s &quot;spousal rape&quot; laws&quot;).  

You&#039;re the one apparently needing an education about both, Denise.   

Or are you still filtering reality?.......   

Denise:  &quot;Since you know so much about Mr. Hetherington, it might be a good idea for you to write an essay on this case and send it to Mike LaSalle. It does indeed sound like something he would probably put up on this forum.&quot;

fourthwire:   I do not intend to become a blogger right now.   

Besides, MND regulars such as Zed, Denis, or the Gonzman would be far better bloggers on MND than I could ever hope to be.   

How very much like a woman...... you seek helpful advice on how to improve your writing on a men&#039;s forum....... but you don&#039;t seem to actually be RECEPTIVE to my advice that might ACTUALLY LEAD TO IMPROVEMENT of that writing.

Running another rocky channel with your radar off again?....;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise:  &#8220;Did you write to Crime Library about this case?&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  No.  I already know plenty about the case (and about the misandry inherent in our nation&#8217;s &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; laws&#8221;).  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one apparently needing an education about both, Denise.   </p>
<p>Or are you still filtering reality?&#8230;&#8230;.   </p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;Since you know so much about Mr. Hetherington, it might be a good idea for you to write an essay on this case and send it to Mike LaSalle. It does indeed sound like something he would probably put up on this forum.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:   I do not intend to become a blogger right now.   </p>
<p>Besides, MND regulars such as Zed, Denis, or the Gonzman would be far better bloggers on MND than I could ever hope to be.   </p>
<p>How very much like a woman&#8230;&#8230; you seek helpful advice on how to improve your writing on a men&#8217;s forum&#8230;&#8230;. but you don&#8217;t seem to actually be RECEPTIVE to my advice that might ACTUALLY LEAD TO IMPROVEMENT of that writing.</p>
<p>Running another rocky channel with your radar off again?&#8230;.;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/12/14/the-howard-appledorf-murder-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-56250</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fourthwire: I would suspect that you would be more likely to strike a sympathetic cord, or at least a measure of interest with a story about William Hetherington&#039;s prison sentence for &quot;spousal rape&quot; (where his wife wanted him out of the house so that she could carry on her adulterous affair without him getting in the way…. or being able to see their children) than with blogs about homosexuals on this particular forum.

(Denise) Did you write to Crime Library about this case?
Since you know so much about Mr. Hetherington, it might be a good idea for you to write an essay on this case and send it to Mike LaSalle. It does indeed sound like something he would probably put up on this forum.
Suggestion: You might want to end your essay with various addresses that people can write to in order to make their feelings known about the case and possibly help Mr. Hetherington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fourthwire: I would suspect that you would be more likely to strike a sympathetic cord, or at least a measure of interest with a story about William Hetherington&#8217;s prison sentence for &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; (where his wife wanted him out of the house so that she could carry on her adulterous affair without him getting in the way…. or being able to see their children) than with blogs about homosexuals on this particular forum.</p>
<p>(Denise) Did you write to Crime Library about this case?<br />
Since you know so much about Mr. Hetherington, it might be a good idea for you to write an essay on this case and send it to Mike LaSalle. It does indeed sound like something he would probably put up on this forum.<br />
Suggestion: You might want to end your essay with various addresses that people can write to in order to make their feelings known about the case and possibly help Mr. Hetherington.</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise:  &quot;We tend to think of prostitutes as women but prostitution flourishes in the male homosexual community.&quot;

fourthwire:  both female heterosexual prostitutes and male homosexual prostitutes capitalize on the male sex drive, pure and simple.   And since most heterosexual men don&#039;t want anything to do with male homosexual prostitutes, and do not frequent locations where the latter tend to congregate, there&#039;s no reason why the latter are of any particular interest.

Of course male homosexual prostitutes have have done more than their share of spreading HIV/AIDS through their activities.

Denise:  &quot;I faced several challenges in writing these stories. One was to keep my own views on homosexuality out of them. I also had to balance the need to familiarize readers with the backgrounds of both victims and victimizers without seeming to excuse heinous actions. I would be very interested to know how well readers of this blog think I did and how they believe I could improve in the future.&quot;

fourthwire:   Just how many MND readers have been clamoring for any stories about homosexuality, Denise?    

Or stories about homosexual &quot;predators&quot;?

Or stories about homosexual &quot;victims&quot;?

Most heterosexual men don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s *ss about the activities of homosexual men behind closed doors.

I don&#039;t doubt that some MND readers are homosexuals...... but they are undoubtedly a minority.

I suspect that most MND readers don&#039;t feel any overwhelming need to read about homosexual &quot;predators&quot;, homosexual &quot;victims&quot;, or homosexuality in general.

I would suspect that you would be more likely to strike a sympathetic cord, or at least a measure of interest with a story about William Hetherington&#039;s prison sentence for &quot;spousal rape&quot; (where his wife wanted him out of the house so that she could carry on her adulterous affair without him getting in the way.... or being able to see their children) than with blogs about homosexuals on this particular forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise:  &#8220;We tend to think of prostitutes as women but prostitution flourishes in the male homosexual community.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:  both female heterosexual prostitutes and male homosexual prostitutes capitalize on the male sex drive, pure and simple.   And since most heterosexual men don&#8217;t want anything to do with male homosexual prostitutes, and do not frequent locations where the latter tend to congregate, there&#8217;s no reason why the latter are of any particular interest.</p>
<p>Of course male homosexual prostitutes have have done more than their share of spreading HIV/AIDS through their activities.</p>
<p>Denise:  &#8220;I faced several challenges in writing these stories. One was to keep my own views on homosexuality out of them. I also had to balance the need to familiarize readers with the backgrounds of both victims and victimizers without seeming to excuse heinous actions. I would be very interested to know how well readers of this blog think I did and how they believe I could improve in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>fourthwire:   Just how many MND readers have been clamoring for any stories about homosexuality, Denise?    </p>
<p>Or stories about homosexual &#8220;predators&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or stories about homosexual &#8220;victims&#8221;?</p>
<p>Most heterosexual men don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s *ss about the activities of homosexual men behind closed doors.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that some MND readers are homosexuals&#8230;&#8230; but they are undoubtedly a minority.</p>
<p>I suspect that most MND readers don&#8217;t feel any overwhelming need to read about homosexual &#8220;predators&#8221;, homosexual &#8220;victims&#8221;, or homosexuality in general.</p>
<p>I would suspect that you would be more likely to strike a sympathetic cord, or at least a measure of interest with a story about William Hetherington&#8217;s prison sentence for &#8220;spousal rape&#8221; (where his wife wanted him out of the house so that she could carry on her adulterous affair without him getting in the way&#8230;. or being able to see their children) than with blogs about homosexuals on this particular forum.</p>
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