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	<title>Comments on: Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions (1 and 2)</title>
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		<title>By: Palinurus</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/01/darwins-failed-predictions-1-and-2/comment-page-1/#comment-57078</link>
		<dc:creator>Palinurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m unclear as to whether you are on about ID or its adherents.&quot; Both, of course. If you can find any useful way the separate them for the purposes of this discussion, perhaps I&#039;ll reconsider. Without adherents, ID would be dead as Zeus, and my point is that there is only a fragment of one religion, only a subset of one philosophical tradition pushing this particular flavor of the idea. Almost all creation myths are a sort of ID. This, of course, only speaks to its origins. The fact that it is also arrant rubbish is quite a different line of argument. I&#039;ve never read Tim Powers, though a quick Wiki makes him look interesting. Quote of the day: &quot;A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.&quot; -Saul Bellow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m unclear as to whether you are on about ID or its adherents.&#8221; Both, of course. If you can find any useful way the separate them for the purposes of this discussion, perhaps I&#8217;ll reconsider. Without adherents, ID would be dead as Zeus, and my point is that there is only a fragment of one religion, only a subset of one philosophical tradition pushing this particular flavor of the idea. Almost all creation myths are a sort of ID. This, of course, only speaks to its origins. The fact that it is also arrant rubbish is quite a different line of argument. I&#8217;ve never read Tim Powers, though a quick Wiki makes him look interesting. Quote of the day: &#8220;A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.&#8221; -Saul Bellow</p>
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		<title>By: conservativation</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/01/darwins-failed-predictions-1-and-2/comment-page-1/#comment-57034</link>
		<dc:creator>conservativation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palinurus, fancy yourself maybe the &quot;Tim Powers&quot; of MND no?
Some ID&#039;ers may be happy with the golden tea cup...the one that orbits just this side of planet Notgalotus, but that&#039;s beside the point. I&#039;m unclear as to whether you are on about ID or its adherents. And then, though credibility is admissible so to speak,  is it crucial the IDers be proven of open mind...as per your narrow definition of that? Interesting that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palinurus, fancy yourself maybe the &#8220;Tim Powers&#8221; of MND no?<br />
Some ID&#8217;ers may be happy with the golden tea cup&#8230;the one that orbits just this side of planet Notgalotus, but that&#8217;s beside the point. I&#8217;m unclear as to whether you are on about ID or its adherents. And then, though credibility is admissible so to speak,  is it crucial the IDers be proven of open mind&#8230;as per your narrow definition of that? Interesting that.</p>
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		<title>By: Palinurus</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/01/darwins-failed-predictions-1-and-2/comment-page-1/#comment-57026</link>
		<dc:creator>Palinurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If one is to argue that dogmatism exists, one has to demonstrate it, show it, give evidence. &quot; No problem. Would IDers be just as happy with Brahma or Innani or Raven or Ahura Mazda? Need one even bother to frame the question, but for the sake of form? Would their claims of immanence and mystery withstand even a minute of examination without revealing irritable, meddlesome old Jehovah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If one is to argue that dogmatism exists, one has to demonstrate it, show it, give evidence. &#8221; No problem. Would IDers be just as happy with Brahma or Innani or Raven or Ahura Mazda? Need one even bother to frame the question, but for the sake of form? Would their claims of immanence and mystery withstand even a minute of examination without revealing irritable, meddlesome old Jehovah?</p>
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		<title>By: Wiggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;micro/macro evolution&quot; thing is in itself an illusion. After all, what is a &quot;macro&quot; thing but a conglomeration of many &quot;micro&quot; things? If a species undergoes a thousand &quot;micro&quot; evolutionary adaptations, does it not constitute a &quot;macro&quot; change? What about a million &quot;micro&quot; changes?

The continental plates drift  &quot;micro&quot; distances each year, yet over millions of years their collisions erect &quot;marco&quot; mountain ranges. We can measure the gradual drifting of tectonic plates, just as we can observe gradual changes in organisms, but we cannot witness the development of a new mountain range or a totally new animal; the process much too slow. 

We can infer from the geological evidence that plate tectonics gives rise to new mountains over time. In just the same way, we can infer from biological and paleontological evidence that evolution gives rise to new animals over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;micro/macro evolution&#8221; thing is in itself an illusion. After all, what is a &#8220;macro&#8221; thing but a conglomeration of many &#8220;micro&#8221; things? If a species undergoes a thousand &#8220;micro&#8221; evolutionary adaptations, does it not constitute a &#8220;macro&#8221; change? What about a million &#8220;micro&#8221; changes?</p>
<p>The continental plates drift  &#8220;micro&#8221; distances each year, yet over millions of years their collisions erect &#8220;marco&#8221; mountain ranges. We can measure the gradual drifting of tectonic plates, just as we can observe gradual changes in organisms, but we cannot witness the development of a new mountain range or a totally new animal; the process much too slow. </p>
<p>We can infer from the geological evidence that plate tectonics gives rise to new mountains over time. In just the same way, we can infer from biological and paleontological evidence that evolution gives rise to new animals over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casey Luskin lied &quot;...Sir Isaac Newton, an early proponent of intelligent design ...&quot;

The actual quote from Newton was &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; in support of intelligent design creationism as we know and love it today, but rather in support of a long-since-discredited creationist idea about God controlling the movement of the planets.  In a letter to the Reverend Dr. Richard Bentley in 1692,  Newton wrote: &quot;To your second query I answer that the motions which the planets now have could not spring from any natural cause alone but were impressed by an intelligent agent.&quot;

No astronomers of today support this of, course, just as essentially no actual biologists of today accept the similarly ludicrous claims of intelligent design creationism.   (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling to put this concept into perspective.)  

It&#039;s disappointing but not particularly surprising that Casey would bring up this obviously theistic citation in support of the purportedly non-theistic (at least in public) intelligent design variant of creationism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey Luskin lied &#8220;&#8230;Sir Isaac Newton, an early proponent of intelligent design &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The actual quote from Newton was <b>not</b> in support of intelligent design creationism as we know and love it today, but rather in support of a long-since-discredited creationist idea about God controlling the movement of the planets.  In a letter to the Reverend Dr. Richard Bentley in 1692,  Newton wrote: &#8220;To your second query I answer that the motions which the planets now have could not spring from any natural cause alone but were impressed by an intelligent agent.&#8221;</p>
<p>No astronomers of today support this of, course, just as essentially no actual biologists of today accept the similarly ludicrous claims of intelligent design creationism.   (See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling</a> to put this concept into perspective.)  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s disappointing but not particularly surprising that Casey would bring up this obviously theistic citation in support of the purportedly non-theistic (at least in public) intelligent design variant of creationism.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one is to argue that dogmatism exists, one has to demonstrate it, show it, give evidence. Holding an educated opinion with some vigour isn&#039;t dogmatism. Both sides are active in debate and forts are being erected, as to be expected. Ernst Mayr may well, in other quotations, accept that overturning the wisdom of the day is usually a hard fight with a lot of noise and girding of loins. 

Evolution, as a concept, does not preclude a Prime Mover. If I build an engine to power my car, descriptions of the mechanics and physics and manufacturing process may well give little focus on me, the inventor. One might well hear phrases such as &quot;the pistions do this, the mixture of petrol and air do that when ignited by the spark plug&quot;, and omit saying, &quot;&#039;the pistons invented by Amfortas the Almighty do this, the mixture of petrol and air organised by our Omnipotent Amfortas do that when ignited by the spark plug He designed in His Great Wisdom&quot;. Indeed, such analysis might even omit the fact that the vehicle was designed  to carry Me at all and focus instead on My passengers&#039; comfort.

Once, long ago, in another age, someone wrote all about the &#039;beginning&#039;, and Big G got a lot of good press. Mr Darwin, much later, did a bit of reverse engineering thinking and described some of the possible mechanics. The writers of old were not very mechanically inclined and hadn&#039;t learned much at school, but they held the Inventor in some awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one is to argue that dogmatism exists, one has to demonstrate it, show it, give evidence. Holding an educated opinion with some vigour isn&#8217;t dogmatism. Both sides are active in debate and forts are being erected, as to be expected. Ernst Mayr may well, in other quotations, accept that overturning the wisdom of the day is usually a hard fight with a lot of noise and girding of loins. </p>
<p>Evolution, as a concept, does not preclude a Prime Mover. If I build an engine to power my car, descriptions of the mechanics and physics and manufacturing process may well give little focus on me, the inventor. One might well hear phrases such as &#8220;the pistions do this, the mixture of petrol and air do that when ignited by the spark plug&#8221;, and omit saying, &#8220;&#8216;the pistons invented by Amfortas the Almighty do this, the mixture of petrol and air organised by our Omnipotent Amfortas do that when ignited by the spark plug He designed in His Great Wisdom&#8221;. Indeed, such analysis might even omit the fact that the vehicle was designed  to carry Me at all and focus instead on My passengers&#8217; comfort.</p>
<p>Once, long ago, in another age, someone wrote all about the &#8216;beginning&#8217;, and Big G got a lot of good press. Mr Darwin, much later, did a bit of reverse engineering thinking and described some of the possible mechanics. The writers of old were not very mechanically inclined and hadn&#8217;t learned much at school, but they held the Inventor in some awe.</p>
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		<title>By: Palinurus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palinurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; . . .scientific spirit, which opposes dogmatic attachments to theories and promises to follow the evidence wherever it may lead.&quot; Tasty irony. Intelligent design, thy very name is dogmatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; . . .scientific spirit, which opposes dogmatic attachments to theories and promises to follow the evidence wherever it may lead.&#8221; Tasty irony. Intelligent design, thy very name is dogmatism.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/01/darwins-failed-predictions-1-and-2/comment-page-1/#comment-57002</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions (1 and 2) January 1, 2008 at 11:09 am · Filed under Evolution, Intelligent Design, Science &amp; Religion, Vox Populi  [Editor&#8217;s Note: This article shows slides 1 and 2 in a series of 14 slides available at JudgingPBS.com, a new website featuring &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions,&#8221; a response to PBS-NOVA&#8217;s online materials for their &#8220;Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial&#8221; documentary.] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions (1 and 2) January 1, 2008 at 11:09 am · Filed under Evolution, Intelligent Design, Science &#38; Religion, Vox Populi  [Editor&#8217;s Note: This article shows slides 1 and 2 in a series of 14 slides available at JudgingPBS.com, a new website featuring &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s Failed Predictions,&#8221; a response to PBS-NOVA&#8217;s online materials for their &#8220;Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial&#8221; documentary.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Big shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ID is creationism in drag. It&#039;s not science. There is not a shred of proof of creationism, but there are wearhouses, museums, univerities full of pysical evidence as well as exhaustive peer reviewed scientific research to establish evolution as fact. Get over it already. You are embarrassing yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ID is creationism in drag. It&#8217;s not science. There is not a shred of proof of creationism, but there are wearhouses, museums, univerities full of pysical evidence as well as exhaustive peer reviewed scientific research to establish evolution as fact. Get over it already. You are embarrassing yourself.</p>
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