Young teen girls who want to get pregnant
Every now and then, Maury does a program about teen girls, usually in the 13-15 age range, who WANT to get pregnant. I saw an Oprah program on this same theme.
These girls always insist that they yearn for a baby and know that they will be good mothers. One of them said, “I’ll be the best mother ever.”
A discerning viewer inevitably has a sense of confidence that these young ladies do indeed possess the patience necessary to care for an infant. They have demonstrated this quality by such actions as beating up and threatening their own mothers, battering their younger brothers and sisters, and getting into fistfights with other teen girls. This is just the type of person best suited to get up at 3:00 a.m. in the morning to tend the needs of a squalling baby or stay up all night caring for a sick and distressed infant.
We can also be certain that, should these young ladies have their wishes fulfilled and their babies soon delivered, their youngsters will be taught the sort of morals and ethics that will make for well-adjusted and productive citizens. The teen mother wannabes engage in such behaviors as having sex in exchange for sodas and having sex in such appropriate places as high school restrooms and otherwise empty churches. One young lady told Maury that boys sometimes insist on wearing condoms, attempting to thwart her aspirations toward motherhood. “I poke holes in it,” she proudly disclosed.
The penchant many of these teen girls have for drinking and drugging also bodes well for providing their embryos and fetuses with the best possible environment while developing in the womb and suggests the care they will provide to their babies will be first-rate.
Surprise! Surprise! The above was sarcastic. I would not want the teen girls I’ve just described to be entrusted with a parakeet much less a human baby.
Indeed, the Maury show is usually able to persuade these guests that they should delay motherhood. The program sends them to Baby Boot Camp. The girls get to take care of babies for awhile. One young lady who was adamant that she was well-prepared to raise a baby was filmed holding a crying infant while she desperately repeated, “Please stop crying! Please stop crying!” While the girls and babies were at lunch, two of the girls had to take the babies they were caring for to the restroom. The girls discovered that their food had gone cold when they returned.
There are probably teen girls like these who do not appear on Maury. They are not sent to Baby Boot Camp. Thus, they may not have their illusions about their readiness for motherhood shattered until they actually become moms.
Ironically, these would be planned pregnancies. The babies would be wanted babies. But these planned and wanted babies would probably not be off to the best starts in life because those doing the planning and wanting are still children themselves.
Is there a case here for FORCED contraception such as Norplant or Depo-Provera?
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January 1st, 2008 at 5:04 am
We don’t need to forced contraception (with sometimes awful side effects like all drugs). I would hate for anyone to be forced to take drugs.
We just need to hold girls responsible for their behaviors. This means letting them grow up pathetic lives of proverty. In other words, no food stamps, welfare, child support, etc.
Things would soon take care of themselves. These girls would learn to act responsibly and in not only their own interests but that of society (including children and fathers) also.
Cruel? Well, what is happening right now involves more cruelty (millions of babies born without fathers, forcing men into slavery and terror of forced chiold support enforced by jail — often for children they never know or see, etc. The “solution” of welfare, foot stamps, child support, etc. just creates more and worse problems — this was truth became widely held consensus not that many years ago when welfare laws were “reformed.” However, child support is no different. It is the same thing just with the cost imposed on the father instead of society at large (and much more draconian costs).
I took my 16 year old son to get his driver’s license yesterday. We were faced with posters of “child support deadbeats.” Of course, a key reason he wants his license is to “date” — how terrifying. I wouldn’t want to be starting out as a 16 year old boy right now. He wants love (and of course sex) — both are trap right now. A one way trip to hell.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:40 am
“Is there a case here for FORCED contraception such as Norplant or Depo-Provera?”
Forced? By whom?
John Start Mill, often seen as an early ’socialist’ (he was nothing of the sort – he was, if anything, a Libertarian) said,
“The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection…… to prevent harm to others. His (/her) own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant”.
So, for whose good would ‘forcing’ be? The babies’? The girls’? I am sure a case could be argued, but that is the responsibility of the Parents. Shirley?
Stupid people are legion and of all ages. I don’t like what they do, but if ‘forcing’ them to bend to anyones will is to be contempleted, then let it be my will.
Vote #1 Amfortas. Then you can blame the Gnome.
January 1st, 2008 at 8:24 am
Here is a simple concept. When you subsidize any form of behavior. You will get more of it. When you subsidize young girls having babies you will get more of them. This is simple human behavior. Shut off the money and the problem will solve itself. We subsidized the break up of Black Families and we went from 23% to 75%.
January 1st, 2008 at 9:51 am
I say that we need to get subsidies for the male version of the pill. Many of the men who would sleep with sluts like this are not trying to have a child. If they were on the pill then this couldn’t happen. Now I know some communities guys are trying to see how many kids they can have, but I think it would surely cut down on the babies
January 1st, 2008 at 10:42 am
Government Forced anything is never the answer.
January 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
Denise Noe wrote: “Is there a case here for FORCED contraception such as Norplant or Depo-Provera?”
IMHO, no.
The only “true” solution would be to stop the child support for any who had not been “married.” Only women in marriages should be allowed to claim child support.
If a woman decides to have a child out of wedlock then she should bear the responsibility of her actions alone. Do this and witness teen pregnancy plummet.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Good writing Denise (I am not supporting forced contraception) Tpwriote about not trusting such girls with a parakeet, good line. And we need to repeat/reinforce that girls, and women – many in the sugar and spice crew are violent. Too many people seem not to know that female violence is common. You took the time and energy to write about it and I will take the time and energy to share with others. Thanks.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
After my retirement, and being threatened by my wife and accused of gross laziness, I decided to take on part time work so I applied for and began teaching High School GED for a local community college. I’m sad to report that currently I have seven pregnant teenagers in my active class of eighteen, five only seventeen, none married. I ask each of them if they understood how their lives were going to change with the onset of motherhood? All assured me that they really understood. Of the two whose single mothers I have met aside from the legal custody grandmother who is very concerned, no one seems in the least worried. It is part of the intake process for the program to ask for some personal data and I usually ask more pointed personal (none related to how, who or why the pregnancy occurred) questions that they have the option of not answering.
- All seven are on one or more forms of public assistance.
- There Mothers are too (except for the grandmother).
- None have taken a parenting class
- All are under medicaid
- None have included the father in any decisions concerning the child although it probably is not realistic to even expect the teenage father to be around as he is probably less responsible than her.
In addition, I have one twenty-one year old that is pregnant with her fourth child.
All are from fatherless homes.
Think there might be a connection here?
January 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Comedian Ron White has a stand up program called “You Can’t Fix Stupid” (it is available on DVD). I think it was supposed to be a comedy show, but then Maury or Oprah do a program about teen girls who want to get pregnant and suddenly it is not so funny. Seems to me that no amount of talking sense and no amount of explaining reality made a difference for the stupid choices these girls were making (or intending to make). The girls don’t have a clue about where the money will come from, they just know someone will be there to bail them out (fathers, relatives, government, or whatever). Some of them even think they can do it all by themselves, get a good paying job and take care of a child. So they really don’t care about personal responsibility. They don’t have any realistic ideas of what it means to care for a child. The only thing that shows any signs of working is for these girls to experience a serious dose of reality.
I wish teen males were different, but they aren’t. Too many of them make choices without any realization of how stacked the courts are against them. If they knew how badly the courts were stacked against them, they would make every potential sexual partner sign a sworn statement indicating that they (they girl) are fully aware that the male does not want a child or responsibilities for a child and that she is fully aware of exactly what precautions are being taken to prevent an unwanted pregnancy and that she is in no way shape or form intentionally misleading the male in regards to contraception (such as not being on the pill or poking holes in condoms). It isn’t much of a defense in this society so stacked against men (this has already been proven in court), but it is at least a start for men to defend themselves when abstinence seems impossible.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Of course forced contraception is a horrendous idea. But I’m sure that any gender feminist would cherry pick those two words out of this dicussion and disregard all others in order to show how horrible all us MRA’s are.
This is reminding me of the Spears kid’s teen pregnancy issue. Everywhere I go in the media, I hear people either lauding her for her ‘responsible’ behavior, or I hear gender feminists saying that it’s her right to do as she wishes. Nobody in the major media seems to want to say that, uh . . . a sixteen year old kid having a child is a . . . BAD IDEA!!
Teen pregnancy is stupid, and any two teenagers who make a baby by willingly having sex without contraception are stupid, period. The boy is stupid, and the girl is stupid.
Then again, this only points to the larger issue of sexualizing kids at younger and younger ages. I was watching Hannah Montana (or whoever she is) sing on the Disney Christmas special last week, and I couldn’t believe my eyes!! Here’s a thirteen or fourteen year old girl on national television wearing a glittery dress whose skirt came just three or four inches below her crotch. Totally unaceptable!! It is absolutely criminal to sexualize a pre-teen girl on national television! What is that, grrrrl power? Give me a break!
Of course, the Gender Feminist ‘argument’ would be that it’s Hannah’s right to ‘express’ herself however she sees fit, as she is an, ah, emancipated . . . THIRTEEN YEAR OLD! Morons.
And BTW, I’m no prude, not by a long shot. So If I’m saying this, there MUST be something wrong.
But of course, that’s show biz, right? It’s all about the money.
January 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am
Forced contraception is an idea that could only be sold in China. Courts here would never let it stand.
Unwind automated child support entitlements and the vast array of entitlements that encourage girls to become single mothers and they will become interested in chastity or using contraception all on their own.
Having a child out of wedlock is good for at least $800/mo income, plus housing entitlements, food stamps and other goodies, for the first child a girl has out of wedlock with a man. She gets the same amount for the first child she has with the next man, and the next, and the next. That is why we see so many professional single mothers who have several children out of wedlock, each with a different man.
If mothers of these girls know they will have to pay the freight, they will lower the boom on daughters. Where their parents don’t have to pay the freight, they often don’t care. In many cases, older single mothers actually want their daughters to get pregnant at an early age, to either justify what they did when they were young, or so the teenager can get the income needed to become independent and get her out of the house.
People who milk the welfare culture won’t care about teen girls not getting pregnant until, as a nation, we stop enabling and stimulating young women to get pregnant.
Last, instead of forcing birth control on young girls, the male pill will end the majority of out of wedlock births. Most young men are terrified that his girlfriend will get pregnant. They think she is using birth control but find out she isn’t the hard way. Since men are the ones who end up bearing the brunt of the welfare state, we will find them using the male pill religiously beginning the second it becomes available.
January 2nd, 2008 at 5:59 am
David R. Usher said,
Forced contraception is an idea that could only be sold in China. Courts here would never let it stand.
(Denise) Hi, Mr. Usher. Thank you for pointing that out. This blog is primarily a springboard for discussion. I realize that the idea of forced contraception is an extremely problematic one.
Usher: Unwind automated child support entitlements and the vast array of entitlements that encourage girls to become single mothers and they will become interested in chastity or using contraception all on their own.
(Denise) When these teens are asked on the programs how they intend to support the babies they wish to have, they are invariably vague. Some of them seem to think that they could get jobs that would support them and others say they would steal or prostitute themselves!
Usher: Having a child out of wedlock is good for at least $800/mo income, plus housing entitlements, food stamps and other goodies, for the first child a girl has out of wedlock with a man. She gets the same amount for the first child she has with the next man, and the next, and the next. That is why we see so many professional single mothers who have several children out of wedlock, each with a different man.
If mothers of these girls know they will have to pay the freight, they will lower the boom on daughters.
(Denise) The mothers on the programs have indeed tried to “lower the boom on daughters.” Their daughters sneak out of the home and even assault theirmotehrs.
Usher: Where their parents don’t have to pay the freight, they often don’t care. In many cases, older single mothers actually want their daughters to get pregnant at an early age, to either justify what they did when they were young, or so the teenager can get the income needed to become independent and get her out of the house.
People who milk the welfare culture won’t care about teen girls not getting pregnant until, as a nation, we stop enabling and stimulating young women to get pregnant.
Last, instead of forcing birth control on young girls, the male pill will end the majority of out of wedlock births. Most young men are terrified that his girlfriend will get pregnant. They think she is using birth control but find out she isn’t the hard way. Since men are the ones who end up bearing the brunt of the welfare state, we will find them using the male pill religiously beginning the second it becomes available.
(Denise) I support a male contraceptive pill 100%.
January 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 am
And just think how much worse this will get if Hillary gets elected. Her offices will be filled with the feminazis at the highest level. It makes me shudder just thinking about it.
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January 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 am
We don’t need to forced contraception (with sometimes awful side effects like all drugs). I would hate for anyone to be forced to take drugs.
We just need to hold girls responsible for their behaviors. This means letting them grow up pathetic lives of proverty. In other words, no food stamps, welfare, child support, etc.
The left and right both have issues with forced contraception (for the left, it’s about allowing women to be more slutty and for the right, they often have objections to casual sex altogether.) Both are religious attitudes that have less to do with human rights rather than treating women as entitled whores or innocent madonnas, respectively.
That said, from a human perspective, forcing a bratty 14 year old girl to take norplant is way way less ugly than the morally cowardly approach of not getting involved and then cutting her and the child off of welfare and hoping she learns her lesson. In many cases, they won’t (as dumpster babies have discovered.) Punishing the parents hasn’t worked out either since the parents often don’t have the authority to force their children to take such drugs and can’t beat them.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:12 am
I think even including forced contraception in discussions, even from a negative veiwpoint, is a bad idea and gives people the idea that MRA’s are a bunch of whackos.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Kudos to “PolishKnight” who seems to understand both the left and right extremes of this issue, and the humanitarian solution. I am a conservative republican at the core, but also realize the hard, sharped-edged extremes that the impersonal market place can push upon those who may be over-matched concerning the challenges ahead of them, and thus be tempted to depression and possibly even more irresponsible choices.
As far as what’s doable via the laws and traditions of this country, I think you might be hard pressed to force someone coming from a “normal” self-supporting family to take contraceptives. For now (and hopefully evermore), these girls will have to rely on the education/discipline they get from 1st, their family, and 2nd from their school and/or church.
However, if a girl is getting any kind of government support (Welfare, etc), I believe we as citizens have every right to demand that this individual give back to us something in return; that would be her pledge not to have any more children until she has shown herself capable of providing for herself and her children without any govenment welfare. And in order to ensure the follow-thru of this pledge, she would be required to visit her local family planning site to have her contraceptive medicine administred to her at regular intervals.
If John Stuart Mill were alive today, I think even he would agree how the subsidy of the least talented among us eventually destroys the very society of which they are members. It is good to allow freedom of choice to those who are capable of using that choice wisely (self government can’t be had without self discipline). For those who either are not capable, or are not ready to handle the rigors freedom of choice and its economic correllative, capitalism, then society must needs manage their lives to the extent that they are at least not harming the rest of society, and most importantly, its future generations.
And yes, I would also hold men equally accountable concerning this proposition. The latest I’ve heard on the new “Male Hormonal Contraceptive” (MHC), is that it should be ready for release to the market during the middle of our new President’s 1st term.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
All Of you are forgetting one thing, women or in this case ,girls who are young ,dumb and full of “you know what” are not responsible. Even if this dumb little girl grows up and by some miracle does not have an out of wedlock child, she will just get married, have that kid anyway, then divorce the poor schmuck, who was stupid enough to believe that the vows of marriage mean anything to women these days.
The corrupt system will still back her socially,legally and morally irresponsible behavior. She will still get rewarded for doin’ wrong! These dumb little girls do it because they see older women do it and get away with it.
Women can’t raise kids by themselves, no matter what the politically correct media says, I seen it, way too many times. The poor little kids end up doing just they have seen done, not knowing that it is a disaster.They end up in the same mess and can’t get out.
The system will collapse one day and I don’t know what these people are going to do. There will be no more being bailed out, no more free money, no more doing something stupid and irresponsible and then have the corrupt court steal from the fathers to support them. Many will starve to death and the fathers will to go and get the kids. Because the state will not be in any position to do anything about it at that time. They will be too busy running for their lives to worry about the poor stupid sluts they misguided into the mess they now find themselves. They will be trying to save their own asses and not give a damn who they left high and dry.
In the end, the good people, the socially, legally and morally responsible, will have to pick up the pieces and rebuild. We will have to make stern example out of these terrorist who pretend to be the family court system. I recommed charging them with treason and get the customary penalty for such behavior, ie death by hanging.
This will put the fear of God in anyone who try such a thing again. It will be long time before anyone tries this little “failed social engineering experiment”again.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
robet stevens you hold your toung! vows mean something to some of us women and put into consideration maby some of you men are the ones to break the vows!
November 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Hey girl don’t pay any mind to what people are saying, you every right to have kids. I am in a wheelchair I’m 44, I’m just crying for some girl to love me. I want kids. God met us to have kids.
berny