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I Have to Agree with Debra Lafave on This One

2008-01-11
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Background: I’ve little sympathy for Debra Lafave (pictured), who at 23 statutorily raped a 14-year-old boy. She got the female sentencing discount and did not go to jail because she’s a woman. That being said, the recent media furor over her seems rather petty.

In screaming headlines the New York Post reports in EX-TEACHER DEBRA LAFAVE BUSTED AGAIN (12/4/07) that Lafave had “illegal contact with a teenager.”

Sounds sinister, right? Turns out that all Lafave apparently did was have a private conversation with a 17-year-old girl she works with. It does violate her probation, but it hardly merits such sensationalism.

According to Lafave Remains Free Despite Probation Violation, Lafave “violated her probation by talking with a 17-year-old co-worker about sex but will face no additional penalties…Circuit Judge J. Rogers Padgett found Debra Lafave violated her probation by having the conversations, but he said her transgressions were ‘neither willful or substantial.’”

I would have to agree–the probation violation seems to be incidental and much ado about nothing. The full article is below.

To learn more about the female sentencing discount and my sentiments about these types of cases, see my recent blog posts Debra Lafave, Media Sensationalism, and Rethinking Statutory Rape and Extreme Gender Bias: Woman Who Statutorily Raped Boy Avoids Jail, While Boy’s Older Brother Goes to Prison for Exact Same Crime.

Lafave Remains Free Despite Probation Violation
January 11, 2008

TAMPA, Fla. — A teacher who admitted having sex with a middle school student violated her probation by talking with a 17-year-old co-worker about sex but will face no additional penalties, a judge ruled Thursday.

Circuit Judge J. Rogers Padgett found Debra Lafave violated her probation by having the conversations, but he said her transgressions were “neither willful or substantial.”

According to a Department of Corrections report, Lafave discussed her personal life and other subjects with a teenage waitress at a restaurant where they have both worked for the past two years. One of the terms of her probation was that she was not allowed to have unsupervised contact with any minors without permission.

Lafave is serving three years house arrest and seven years probation after pleading guilty to having sex with the 14-year-old boy in a classroom and her home in June 2004. Her case became tabloid and media fodder because she had recently been married and had posed in skimpy outfits in modeling photo shoots.

Lafave and her attorney argued that the conversations were made in a group setting and that she never made any effort to contact the girl outside of work.

The department will continue to monitor Lafave, Padgett ruled.

Lafave testified Thursday that the conversations were candid, but she said that was because the restaurant was so small.

“We all acted like brothers and sisters,” she said.

The teenage worker, who is now 18, was not called to testify during the hearing.

Lafave smiled and pumped her fist after hearing the judge’s ruling. She left the courthouse with her parents and was shaking while briefly talking with reporters.

Prosecutors declined to comment on Padgett’s ruling. Assistant State Attorney Mike Sinacore had argued that Lafave knew she was violating the terms of her supervision by talking with the girl. He said Lafave had been warned about speaking to her nearly a year before probation officials ordered her re-arrested.

Sinacore said that was troubling. “It shows they gave her every possible chance to avoid this,” he said. “They warned her. But she persisted.”

Lafave’s attorney, John Fitzgibbons, said authorities were targeting his client because she was within days of completing two years of supervised release.

Padgett ruled after hearing arguments from both sides, saying that Lafave had violated the terms of her plea agreement, but the offense was not serious enough to warrant jail time.

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  • http://www.decriminalizefatherhood.com DcFather

    There are 3 types of sentences for any given crime:

    1. What women get.
    2. What men get.
    3. What both should get under equal treatment.

    The same is true for standards of proof and the presumption of innocence. So an obviously false allegation against a male can get him put away for a long time, whereas a woman who is videotaped committing the same crime can walk free.

    It’s the fact that we have 3 when we should have only 1 that concerns me, not whether number 1, in this example, was applied correctly.

  • http://www.false-accusers.com TheManOnTheStreet

    The system knows it effed up the first time, so they tried to “correct it” with this rediculous charge. Grooming notwithstanding, she should have been in jail already. Then the question would have never been asked. But, alas, she is “just too pretty for prison” dontchaknow…

    TMOTS

  • David R. Usher

    Sorry, Glenn, but you are just plain wrong. Her discussion with the underage boy was about –SEX– and personal relationships. She was grooming the kid.

    If LaFavre were a man, he would have been put in prison for 20 years to begin with. That is what men get for doing 14-year-old girls. And, if he had been given probation by a lenient judge, he would not be let off the hook for grooming another victim while doing things explicitly prohibited by the terms of probation.

    Sorry, Glenn, you are still too much of a feminist for most folks in this movement.

  • conservativation

    “Debra Lafavre Uses Age Averaging Defense”

    She was heard testifying, “well I have been sleeping with a lot of older men to get the numbers up ya know”

    One Australian/British Gnome was purported to have said, “To royt mate, I was just givin er a double tap in the down undah!” Know wot I mean nudge nudge”

    Amfortas indeed!

  • amfortas

    The reason for the outrage is contained in your own outline. It isn’t simply the leniency but the one-sidedness.

    There is a war going on. The enemy treats our side with vicious disregard for our humanity. We would like to remain more tempered and compassionate and have fair treatment for all in an environment of painful decisions. But… we have no infrastructure for taking prisoners. We act as small units behind enemy lines. There is little choice but to harden hearts and go for the kill.

    You are a Capt. with an existential crisis, Glenn, seeking points in which you can exercise your compassionate nature, your natural goodness and desire for Just and Fair treatment. But we cannot afford those at the moment.

    The Pvt Ist Class Debra Lafave’s of the world that you come across, having eaten her fill in the enemy’s mess tent after a killing spree where small boys have been treated as meat and now toting her gun again in your patch of jungle, need a quick double tap or a knife thrust up under her rather pretty ribs. And then you need to move on to the next poor sapette on the other side, who like her has already taken lives, and do the same again.

  • http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com/ christianj

    Two different sets of rules..

    Women blameless…

    Men…guilty.

    There is no other way to describe it. It’s hypocritical and denies any rights to males at all. This has to stop and we will not stop until it does. Sympathising with women to me is just another sign of weakness and the rising of male chavinism. Women should be held accountable and treated the same as males in any situation, that’s equal rights and that’s what they have been screaming for and it is exactly what they should get. No more sexism.

  • PolishKnight

    OJ Simpson just had his bail revoked for a similar technicality (he contacted a co-defendant in his case against judge’s orders.) Judges and parole officers are notorious for capricious and petty enforcement of orders. One guy got hauled into jail because police searched the home he lived in and found the prescription heart medication belonging to his roommate’s father (left there previously during a weekly visit) and declared it an “illegal drug” and held it against him.

  • mruffolo

    Man violates probation to chat online with girl sentenced to over 10 years in prison.

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2008/01/08/long_prison_sentence_for_enfield_internet_sex_predator/

    A man violates his probation for possessing a marijuana pipe and hundreds of gay and child pornography videotapes is arrested and jailed without bail on Nov. 14.

    http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/NEWS02/801120331/1003/NEWS02

    Male convicted sex offender was sent to prison Thursday for violating his probation.

    http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=28&a=322742







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