Snow in Baghdad, but global warming rages on

Squig, you didn’t even read the text from the link you provided, did you?

Sea ice re-freezing at record pace:
“When summertime ice extent hits a record low………. large areas of open water provide room for the ice to grow once temperatures cool off enough.”

What does that say to you, squig. Does that mean that suddenly it is MUCH colder in the Arctic which means that the globe is not warming any more?

You just saw the title and wanted to believe that it means that the scientists are all wet, didn’t you.

You are just full of facts that prove thousands of scientists and their research wrong, aren’t you? You are smarter than the scientists gathering all that data that is wrong, aren’t you?

You’re quit a guy, squig.

You’ve convinced me not to worry any more.

Squig is a real fact-based, scientific oriented, non name calling kinda guy.

Thanks for providing that link to scientific research showing a record breaking freeze taking place in the Arctic.

I am curious, what motivates you squigy?

There are people who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do what you are doing by the energy giants. Are you among those lost souls?

Squig, here is a list of reports from foreign news services. You tell me the truth squig, how many of these did you read or hear about…….be honest now squg.

2) Dec. ’06 – Globe is Warming Faster Than Scientist’s worst predictions. Our worst fears are exceeded by reality.

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Oceans

3) Jan. ’07 – Earth is Losing its Ability to Absorb CO2?

4) May ’07 – … (the Southern Oceans) are beginning to release the CO2 they have stored.

5) Oct. ’07 – …the ability of (the Atlantic) ocean to absorb CO2 has dropped by half….

6) Feb. ’07 – World’s sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate. Sea levels are rising even faster than scientists predicted.

7) May ’07 – 30% reduction in the warm currents that carry water north from the Gulf Stream.

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Other Positive Feedbacks

Mar. ’07 – Tundra Disappearing At Rapid Rate. “It’s like it waited until conditions were just right and then it decided to get up and run, not just walk.”…..This sets up a “positive feedback,” the same process that is associated with the rapidly decaying Arctic ice cap.

9) Aug. ’07 – Arctic lakes are beginning to release methane and CO2. A global tragedy of monumental proportions is unfolding at the top of the world…

10) Nov. ’07 – The increase in forest fires in the boreal forests have weakened one of the earth’s greatest terrestrial sinks of carbon dioxide.

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CO2

11) Feb. ’07 – Carbon dioxide rate is at highest level for 650,000 years.

12) Oct. ’07 – New CO2 evidence means climate change predictions are ‘too optimistic’ Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are increasing much faster…. than scientists have predicted….

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Glaciers

13) Jan. ’07 – Glaciers (water supply) Melting 6 X Faster Than ’80s

14) Sept. ’07 – Glaciers are moving much faster towards the sea because of previously unknown factors. (Greenland ice is) advancing toward the sea at seven miles per year, compared with three and a half miles before.

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Polar Ice

15) Jan. ’07 – The Pace of Arctic Global Warming is Staggering. “….the change “is happening so extremely fast, much much faster than we have seen in thousands and thousands of years. “Climate change in the Arctic is not coming. It is here,”

16) Mar. ’07 – … the Antarctic Peninsula is warming faster than anywhere else on Earth, and glaciers are in massive retreat.

17) April ’07 – …. the (sea ice) that we’ve observed is actually declining much faster than the models have shown.

18) Sept. ’07 – ‘Remarkable’ Drop in Arctic Sea Ice Raises Questions

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19) Jan. ’07 – Reduce CO2 in Ten Years, or Climate Will be Out-of-Control. ‘If we fail to act, we will end up with a different planet’

20) July ’07 – No Link Between Cosmic Rays and Global Warming

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references
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2) http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2110651.ece

3) http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jan/19/frontpagenews.climatechange

4) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=455735&in_page_id=1965
This link is not functioning. To retrieve this article you must enter “Ocean ‘less effective at absorbing climate change gases’”
into google’s search engine.

5) http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008907686

6) http://www.environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2004718,00.html

7) http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2007/05/86525.html

http://www.mbeconetwork.org/newsitem.php?news=2

9) http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/08/13/008.html

10) http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3115537.ece

11) http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2211568.ece
This link is not functioning. To retrieve this article you must enter “Carbon dioxide rate
is at highest level for 650,000 years” into the Independent’s search engine.

12) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2719627.ece

13) http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Melting_Glaciers_Show_Climate_Change_Speeding_Up_999.html

14) http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ji-VBJ-GzgzCFcdspzNBU5kKAB3Q

15) http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Arctic_Region_As_Global_Warming_Barometer_999.html

16) http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSSYD27511820070326

17) http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/04/04/3916309-cp.html

18) http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2007/arctic_minimum.html

19) http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2116874.ece

20) http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/07/no-link-between.html

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Are you there squig. Look at the references and tell me how many US media
outlets are there.

First, please tell us (new listeners) what your experience is. Seventeen years is a very long time to become familiar with the differences between climate and weather. I apologize for my ignorance of your expertise.

For myself, I studied earth sciences in college and found the field the most interesting and compelling subject I had ever seen. But since then, I read a few reports from foreign news services that told of very horrific scientific field studies, so I set up google alerts for “climate change” and “global warming” and I have been up to the minute with the research for over two years now. And it is scary what these researchers are finding…….and the US media is not passing this stuff on to the American public. You need to get your news from another source than any of the major networks here.

You said “the weather has always “pushed the envelope in every direction,” it didn’t just start during the relatively recent global warming hysteria.”

I will argue that point. The weather has always set new records, but just listen to this!
-The first ever hurricane in the Persian Gulf
-The strongest thunderstorm in recorded history (sustained winds of 65
mph) ’05 near St Louis, Mo.
-The first ever hurricane hit Brazil last year.
-The first ever hurricane hit Spain last year.
-In May a tornado over two miles wide wiped a town in Kansas off the map.
-The first ever hurricane to hit Iran last year.
-And lets not forget snow in South Africa…
-And snow in …..WHERE…..BAGHDAD?????

Weather events like these have always been in our past. I can remember every couple of years there would be an over the top event. But in the past two years there has been a huge number of ‘over the top’ events. Can you deny that Greg?

Greg, anyone who promises weather events is a fool, and you should know that. Weather predictions of more than a few days in advance are wishful thinking.

We were told that there is evidence of an increase in cat 4 and 5 storms over the past 20 years, but that doesn’t mean that it will incrementally increase every single year. That is the most important thing to remember. It is an average that is being tabulated by climatologists. It will never be a steady increase in either direction. Weather is fickle. That is what the climate averages attempt to show.

“We were promised lots more”. Greg, you should be intelligent enough to know that no one can promise weather beyond one or two days.

The ’05 season was very intense, and it took immense amounts of heat from the tropical Atlantic to higher latitudes. Consequently, in the past few years the hurricane season has been closer to average, but look at what has been happening in the west Pacific – Many devastating tropical storms and typhoons similar to ’05 in the Atlantic basin. The next few years in the Pacific may return to normal because of the cooling off of the tropical Pacific just as the cooling of the Atlantic from the ’05 season.

Mr. Gray says “that there’s no evidence that global warming has caused more hurricanes.” Well of course there is no evidence. That is a ridiculous statement from one of the most knowledgeable hurricane experts on the planet. I cannot explain why he would say that but he knows that there can never be any ‘evidence’ of any weather event caused by GW.

Mr. Gray can attribute the increase in tropical storms to whatever he likes. He is guessing like everyone else. And I hear that the tropical storms in the west Pacific are on the rise in frequency and intensity. But don’t try to pin that to GW because nobody knows.

And yes, there are natural cycles…..what scientist has denied that? Tell me his name. There is none.

What they are saying is that AGW is adding to whatever natural cycle is in play. But most people want to hear of a smoking gun. There is none. It is cumulative. We are adding to it. And our emissions of CO2 are the only handle on it we have.

Greg, it was reported just two days ago that the first sunspot of the 11 year cycle appeared. Doesn’t that pretty much eliminate the Sun as the cause of the past ten years of warming? You tell me.

Greg, you’re doing what every person who has not studied earth sciences does; you are equating weather to climate……….apples to oranges.

The scientists told us long ago the weather would push the envelope in every direction, just as it has been doing.

But weather is not climate. The whole year of weather last year is not climate.
An example of climate is that in the past twenty years there has been double the amount of devastating hurricanes than in the past. That’s climate. An average of weather over long periods of time.

Please learn more about climate before trying to dispute a mountain of scientific research and confusing people about a very frightening future that we have in the later part of this century.