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	<title>Comments on: Battling For Boys (How Schools Stifle Our Sons)</title>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s (still) a man&#8217;s world &#171; The United States of Jamerica</title>
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		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s (still) a man&#8217;s world &#171; The United States of Jamerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s (still) a man&#8217;s&#160;world   Published May 20, 2008   racism , sexism Tags: &quot;boys&#039; crisis&quot;      Amy at Appetite for Equal Rights calls out Lionel Tiger for pushing the myth of the &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis.&#8221;&#160; I&#8217;d like to add that most of the people pushing the idea of a &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis&#8221; aren&#8217;t actually advocating for &#8220;boys&#8221; in general so much as they are lobbying for comfortably middle-class white boys.&#160; I say that because, well, there&#8217;s been a &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis&#8221; in African-American communities for quite a while now, which is not even on the radar for most &#8220;boys advocates.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s (still) a man&#8217;s&nbsp;world   Published May 20, 2008   racism , sexism Tags: &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis&#8221;      Amy at Appetite for Equal Rights calls out Lionel Tiger for pushing the myth of the &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;d like to add that most of the people pushing the idea of a &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis&#8221; aren&#8217;t actually advocating for &#8220;boys&#8221; in general so much as they are lobbying for comfortably middle-class white boys.&nbsp; I say that because, well, there&#8217;s been a &#8220;boys&#8217; crisis&#8221; in African-American communities for quite a while now, which is not even on the radar for most &#8220;boys advocates.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Selberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Selberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting from my comments to the Scientific American article “Sex, Math and Scientific Achievement”:

What young children know from experience, supposedly educated elite tacitly deny. It&#039;s ultimately Orwellian.

&quot;Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.&quot; - George Orwell, 1984

Western feminism promotes a belief that all men and women are equally endowed with a desire for dominance and control and possess an aptitude for same. All can be uplifted, and all brought to see that sexual equality is the one true path to peace in our world. In androgyny lies our salvation. Nothing could be more misguided.

No amount of wishful thinking or ideological zealotry is going to reverse the natural complimentary nature of men and women and make them identical.

&quot;It may readily be conceived that by thus attempting to make one sex equal to the other, both are degraded, and from so preposterous a medley of the works of nature nothing could ever result but weak men and disorderly women.&quot; - Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831

The genders are not equal in their innate ability to learn English or math, as they are not equal in their ability to play sports, music or chess any more than all males or females are equal. Clearly some of each gender has greater mental abilities, moral character and more pronounced physical attributes than others.

A second-grader knows that, but our &quot;intellectual&quot; elites reject it as bigotry and blasphemy against the egalitarian dogmas that define who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting from my comments to the Scientific American article “Sex, Math and Scientific Achievement”:</p>
<p>What young children know from experience, supposedly educated elite tacitly deny. It&#8217;s ultimately Orwellian.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.&#8221; &#8211; George Orwell, 1984</p>
<p>Western feminism promotes a belief that all men and women are equally endowed with a desire for dominance and control and possess an aptitude for same. All can be uplifted, and all brought to see that sexual equality is the one true path to peace in our world. In androgyny lies our salvation. Nothing could be more misguided.</p>
<p>No amount of wishful thinking or ideological zealotry is going to reverse the natural complimentary nature of men and women and make them identical.</p>
<p>&#8220;It may readily be conceived that by thus attempting to make one sex equal to the other, both are degraded, and from so preposterous a medley of the works of nature nothing could ever result but weak men and disorderly women.&#8221; &#8211; Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831</p>
<p>The genders are not equal in their innate ability to learn English or math, as they are not equal in their ability to play sports, music or chess any more than all males or females are equal. Clearly some of each gender has greater mental abilities, moral character and more pronounced physical attributes than others.</p>
<p>A second-grader knows that, but our &#8220;intellectual&#8221; elites reject it as bigotry and blasphemy against the egalitarian dogmas that define who they are.</p>
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		<title>By: DcFather</title>
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		<dc:creator>DcFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a very, very, very bad time to be a boy in America, and currently at least, their prospects when they become men are worse still.  Fatherless, shamed, belittled and begrudged for being born male, it will get even worse for them in adulthood.  Why should they have to suffer just because flaming liberals/feminists need somebody to hate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very, very, very bad time to be a boy in America, and currently at least, their prospects when they become men are worse still.  Fatherless, shamed, belittled and begrudged for being born male, it will get even worse for them in adulthood.  Why should they have to suffer just because flaming liberals/feminists need somebody to hate?</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd said:

&quot;The last time men were nationally celebrated was 9-11 &quot;

Even then feminist groups were trying to distract from what men did.  They wanted equal representation in any memorial erected to those who were going INTO the WTC when everyone else was coming out.  That is, if they had a fireman, they also wanted a fire woman shown.  To be truthful, before they showed one woman, they would have to have a memorial with about 300 to 500 men.

Of course we have seen that before, I remember the screams to reconize the women who died in Viet Nam equally with the men.  If I remember that correctly, there were EIGHT female combat deaths...and 58,000 MEN.

I sure do not hear them screaming to pay the ultimate price at an equal rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The last time men were nationally celebrated was 9-11 &#8221;</p>
<p>Even then feminist groups were trying to distract from what men did.  They wanted equal representation in any memorial erected to those who were going INTO the WTC when everyone else was coming out.  That is, if they had a fireman, they also wanted a fire woman shown.  To be truthful, before they showed one woman, they would have to have a memorial with about 300 to 500 men.</p>
<p>Of course we have seen that before, I remember the screams to reconize the women who died in Viet Nam equally with the men.  If I remember that correctly, there were EIGHT female combat deaths&#8230;and 58,000 MEN.</p>
<p>I sure do not hear them screaming to pay the ultimate price at an equal rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Selberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Selberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help!  I’ve never seen such responses:  Males bashing males.

How can Dennis blame men for the current state of disenfranchised young men?  Central to radical feminism is the self-centered female that places her interest above that of family and children.  Subsequent to the attempted ERA, radical feminism politically has controlled this nation.  In a democracy composed of a majority of females, it is little wonder that women rule and politicians, male or female cater to the majority will be it feminine emotion and wishful thinking or male reason and logic.

“Is feminism a cure for which there is no disease, or a disease for which there is no cure?” - Richard F. Doyle

The last time men were nationally celebrated was 9-11 and until another national disaster of far greater magnitude occurs, nothing is going to change.

Modern technology promotes PC androgyny.  Men have created our latest carrier based stealth aircraft that a trained orangutan can fly with full computer aids and in a PC photo op the Navy features a female test pilot. Only when the computers fail, and the male mathematical and spatial ability are necessary, will society again value men and forget political correctness.  High technology supports apparent androgyny, but it doesn’t make men equivalent to women any more than a 44 mag makes a nerdy little Radar a Rambo when it comes to war.

As long as the female controlled academics can write articles like the December ‘07 Scientific American article “Sex, Math and Scientific Achievement ,Why do men dominate the fields of science, engineering and mathematics?” concluding that we need to encourage girls rather than promote the white and yellow boys with IQ’s over 160 to cover our nation’s future technical needs.  Ignore the reality that there are 30 males for every female with 160 IQ’s.

It is child abuse to subject our very intelligent young men to the female school teachers with hopefully and average IQ’s that insist on making them act like little girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help!  I’ve never seen such responses:  Males bashing males.</p>
<p>How can Dennis blame men for the current state of disenfranchised young men?  Central to radical feminism is the self-centered female that places her interest above that of family and children.  Subsequent to the attempted ERA, radical feminism politically has controlled this nation.  In a democracy composed of a majority of females, it is little wonder that women rule and politicians, male or female cater to the majority will be it feminine emotion and wishful thinking or male reason and logic.</p>
<p>“Is feminism a cure for which there is no disease, or a disease for which there is no cure?” &#8211; Richard F. Doyle</p>
<p>The last time men were nationally celebrated was 9-11 and until another national disaster of far greater magnitude occurs, nothing is going to change.</p>
<p>Modern technology promotes PC androgyny.  Men have created our latest carrier based stealth aircraft that a trained orangutan can fly with full computer aids and in a PC photo op the Navy features a female test pilot. Only when the computers fail, and the male mathematical and spatial ability are necessary, will society again value men and forget political correctness.  High technology supports apparent androgyny, but it doesn’t make men equivalent to women any more than a 44 mag makes a nerdy little Radar a Rambo when it comes to war.</p>
<p>As long as the female controlled academics can write articles like the December ‘07 Scientific American article “Sex, Math and Scientific Achievement ,Why do men dominate the fields of science, engineering and mathematics?” concluding that we need to encourage girls rather than promote the white and yellow boys with IQ’s over 160 to cover our nation’s future technical needs.  Ignore the reality that there are 30 males for every female with 160 IQ’s.</p>
<p>It is child abuse to subject our very intelligent young men to the female school teachers with hopefully and average IQ’s that insist on making them act like little girls.</p>
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		<title>By: donnieboy57</title>
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		<dc:creator>donnieboy57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>denis: i agree 100% with you. i am 59 and my generation let itself get steamrolled by feminism.  not me however.  i kept looking and ended up with 3 divorces.  gave up the search10 years ago.   it is almost impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation with any women over 40 anymore.  and it gets worse.  nov08 will be the death of us all. cackle cackle cackle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>denis: i agree 100% with you. i am 59 and my generation let itself get steamrolled by feminism.  not me however.  i kept looking and ended up with 3 divorces.  gave up the search10 years ago.   it is almost impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation with any women over 40 anymore.  and it gets worse.  nov08 will be the death of us all. cackle cackle cackle.</p>
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		<title>By: college activist</title>
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		<dc:creator>college activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty I just re-read you&#039;re piece and will check out your web site. It notes you are a college advisor, god bless you sir!!

  We are in desperate need of any males at all that are willing to discuss these issues in an Academic setting!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty I just re-read you&#8217;re piece and will check out your web site. It notes you are a college advisor, god bless you sir!!</p>
<p>  We are in desperate need of any males at all that are willing to discuss these issues in an Academic setting!!</p>
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		<title>By: college activist</title>
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		<dc:creator>college activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denis, i think you hit the nail right on the head. Men/fathers prior to the baby boomer generation of men still looked after their boys. Then all the sudden they were conditioned to focus  there attention on girls.

   Focusing on the girls is fine, but not at the cost of near abandondment, and in some cases even hostility towards our boys!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis, i think you hit the nail right on the head. Men/fathers prior to the baby boomer generation of men still looked after their boys. Then all the sudden they were conditioned to focus  there attention on girls.</p>
<p>   Focusing on the girls is fine, but not at the cost of near abandondment, and in some cases even hostility towards our boys!!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The boys can most certainly be saved. This will happen by the post-Baby Boomer generation of men. The Baby Boomer men are the worst generation of &quot;men&quot; this country has EVER produced. History is destined to be very unkind to these &quot;men&quot;. They sold out their own sons....their sons sons...and on and on. This country desperately needs a new generation of real men to make right all the wrongs right again. I for one am more than willing to fight for our boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The boys can most certainly be saved. This will happen by the post-Baby Boomer generation of men. The Baby Boomer men are the worst generation of &#8220;men&#8221; this country has EVER produced. History is destined to be very unkind to these &#8220;men&#8221;. They sold out their own sons&#8230;.their sons sons&#8230;and on and on. This country desperately needs a new generation of real men to make right all the wrongs right again. I for one am more than willing to fight for our boys.</p>
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