Romney is a Reagan Republican. There is some confusion about what that actually means. Reagan mastered the art of selling far left domestic policy by wrapping it in conservative rhetoric. Many “Reagan Democrats” weren’t supporting him because he won them over to conservativism with strong arguments. Feminists for example, did not attack him because he gave them everything they asked for and more. So, in this way, Romney is one kind of (average) appropriate representative of what the Republican Party has become.

What’s lacking in Romney as candidate is allowance for any kind of democratic (little d) result from holding elections. The Reagan approach has proven successful (at least up till now). Many people voting for Romney would vote for him based on what he says – his claim of being conservative; not realizing they’re voting for a pork barreling leftist and constitution burner. We would get four more years of exactly what’s been destroying the Republican Party for the past 27 years.

People seem to understand McCain better than Romney no matter what McCain says. McCain says he’s conservative, but people respond – on this and that and the other – that he certainly does not appear to be. Ann Coulter makes a point for me I think, when she says one of the claims he has to being a conservative was his support for the troop surge – which every Republican supported. McCain is a very good representative (average) of the Republican Party. With McCain as candidate, it will be much more obvious to people what the party is all about.

My response to this is that it’s time to play the democracy card (little d). Get the cards out on the table and get some citizen participation going in the national debate (internet actually has it going now more than ever before). There’s two years to go before mid terms, and four years to find an actual conservative Republican candidate for president who might actually have a shot.

I understand that you are not a Romney supporter. You stated this on numerous occasions. Fair enough. I haven’t seen anywhere in Romney’s record what you claim to be true. Staples, as one example, is a company that was made successful by Romney. You comments are largely generalizations. Fair enough. You may convince others to see it your way.

Sorry, but I don’t believe what Romney says on account of his history. It’s spin. He is an absolute expert in the Reagan technique of wrapping the same old, sometimes far left, crap in conservative rhetoric. Just like “Strengthening Marriage” legislation actually destroys it. Romney is a super-porker and doesn’t care beans about the effect it has on the nation and the people. As for personality – he’s like a sales guy. It’s his business to look good and sound good. But he doesn’t care about how the product is developed or what it actually does, so long as there’s lots and lots of money involved.

There is only one candidtae who is strong on illegal immigration and who has stated what he will do as President: see to it that illegals return home. It’s not Juan McCain. Juan McCain’s position is to now “seal the border first”. He will not answer what he will do with illegals already here. He avoided answering that specific question twice in this weeks debate in a Clintonesque manner. Juan McCain favors people who broke the law getting here. Illegals lower the wages of Americans and force American competitors to lay off Americans or lower their wages to compete with companies hiring illegals. Juan McCain puts illegals over American’s and American businesses. Juan McCain co-authored McCain-Kennedy.

Juan McCain was one of two Republicans opposing Bush’s tax cuts. That is not what “foot soldiers for the Reagon Revolution” do. Juan McCain showed his contempt for business people in this weeks debate with snide remarks about Romney as a business man.

Juan McCain believes in limits on free speech. McCain-Feingold.

Juan McCain thinks that he owns the word “timetables”. Romney does not and never has favored timetables for withdrawal from Iraq. Juan McCain lied and used Clintonesque tactics of creating a lie and repeating it over and over.

Romney is talking tax cuts, shrinking government, competing with China and India with fair trade agreements, putting American jobs first, fixing illegal immigration, and bringing fiscal, social, and defense policy conservatives together.

Juan McCain divides fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and defense policy conservatives. He lacks the temperament to lead this country.

Romney is more intelligent than McCain. He has the temperament to be President. He is an example of the American dream. A successful professional and personal life. He governed as a moderate Republican out of necessity in the most left wing state, with the most left wing state legislature in America.

Of the four remaining leading candidates only one is good for America. Juan McCain is not that one.

Punishing a political party is pretty much all we’ve got left in the democratic process. I think Bush became president because we supported him to punish the Democrats. I think Republicans could fail this time if we don’t. I’ve decided to start voting for anyone I actually agree with rather than wasting my vote on the impression of a “lesser of two evils” – the game played by the two parties. My vote isn’t going to be based on partisan politics but on policy that I want. If Hillary is going to fix the problem, I’ll vote for her. (Not that I’d believe her if she made a superficial statement – it would have to go farther than that.)

I’ve been discussing this on freeconservatives, and the administrator is enough of a disbeliever that it was put in their Twilight Zone forum, but some facts are emerging in discussion with people who are interested.

Quick summary: The US no longer operates as the constitutional federation defined in the Constitution. We have become internationalized. Treaties trump everything (ordinary law, constitution, etc.) and now we adapt to international conventions on account of little more than a memo from the State department. The fed is rapidly accumulating power over everything, and as they grab powers they are not constitutionally authorized to take, the status of laws are changed so that individual rights are nullified.

The Rockerfellers are big on the internationalization thing, but I don’t know that you can blame them directly. The two parties hold the political power and now the mechanism of law making described in the summary above seems more prominent than anything most people think is going on. Our new world order toward One World Government thingy is making who we vote for a lot less important. I mean, it’s not going to have much impact.

More discussion at:
http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55180&page=3

I’m starting to believe the conspiracy theories: none of this really matters, because it’s all controlled by the Bilderburgers, or the Illuminati, and we’re all headed for the “one world order.” Oh, joy! We can look forward to the day when we will be one with Mexico. E pluribus unum!

Until Fred weenied out, I would have argued with you that a third party vote was a vote for Hillary, but now I don’t care. This will be the only election in my lifetime (almost half a century) that it wouldn’t be a wasted vote (useless maybe – they still won’t get the message).

I’m sure that Romney is not a conservative. Many Republicans have mastered the art of conservative rhetoric while government expands and civil rights retreat. The modern model is Ronald Reagan. See my article: Looks Bad for Republicans:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/24/looks-bad-for-republicans/

As for my position, I’ve already revealed that in an article, with link in post #6 of this discussion.

I’m thinking Romney is the closest we have left to a conservative (sort of). At least he wouldn’t trash the country.

If it’s between Hillary and McCain, I’m voting for Hillary. They’ll both trash our economy, but at least then the Dems will get the blame.

I think McCain is closer to a democrat than anything. He worked with Kennedy on their attrocious amnesty bill!! Thank God that died!

We have two parties that are merely two power factions on the same course. Democrats put one kind of spin on things and Republicans put another kind on it. Democrats say it’s about peace and democracy and lending a helping hand. Republicans say it’s about free trade. Tax adjustments only mean paying out of your paycheck now or paying in other ways, sometimes later.