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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fourthwire said,

You will never know how much self-restraint I had to exercise to avoid starting my last post with:………..

&quot;Denise, have you LOST YOUR EFFING MIND?!?&quot;

(Denise) It wouldn&#039;t be the first time someone has asked that question or some variation on it. : )</description>
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<p>You will never know how much self-restraint I had to exercise to avoid starting my last post with:………..</p>
<p>&#8220;Denise, have you LOST YOUR EFFING MIND?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>(Denise) It wouldn&#8217;t be the first time someone has asked that question or some variation on it. : )</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/02/11/meet-atlantas-lesbian-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-58811</link>
		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You will never know how much self-restraint I had to exercise to avoid starting my last post with:...........

&quot;Denise, have you LOST YOUR EFFING MIND?!?&quot;

But it would have been too much trouble to ensure that you perceived my written outburst in the humorous sense in which it was intended and not in any mean-spirited way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will never know how much self-restraint I had to exercise to avoid starting my last post with:&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8220;Denise, have you LOST YOUR EFFING MIND?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>But it would have been too much trouble to ensure that you perceived my written outburst in the humorous sense in which it was intended and not in any mean-spirited way.</p>
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		<title>By: The Vicar</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Vicar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No thank you, Denise. I&#039;d much rather meet a real woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thank you, Denise. I&#8217;d much rather meet a real woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think horton hears a who is a lot more serious classic.  

one only has to look at the number of years and the number of sales over time to see that... 

that is unless horton hears a who is the exact width to balance crooked chairs and tables from ikea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think horton hears a who is a lot more serious classic.  </p>
<p>one only has to look at the number of years and the number of sales over time to see that&#8230; </p>
<p>that is unless horton hears a who is the exact width to balance crooked chairs and tables from ikea.</p>
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		<title>By: Squiggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squiggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, &quot;Rubyfruit Jungle&quot; is a classic in American literature.  Right up there with &quot;Horton hears a Who&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, &#8220;Rubyfruit Jungle&#8221; is a classic in American literature.  Right up there with &#8220;Horton hears a Who&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with TMOTS on this one.. This is news because.. why, exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with TMOTS on this one.. This is news because.. why, exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically it seems that she is showing the superior talents of duplicity and heretical ability.  (while the article author is showing the depths that navel gazing can get)

duplicity: deceitfulness in speech or conduct; speaking or acting in two different ways concerning the same matter with intent to deceive; double-dealing. 

heretical: Characterized by, revealing, or approaching departure from established beliefs or standards

basically if i remember it right, its a plus to misrepresent yourself to get &#039;in&#039; and then disrupt things for the &#039;cause&#039;, it makes one an &#039;agent provacateur&#039;, which gets some peoples jollies. 

the men read giving you the benifit of the doubt, and you betray the trust you build up by wasting a little bit of our lives. 

betray: to disappoint the hopes or expectations of

fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

i wonder if the next question by many of the men is whether to bother reading you...   lots of other authors to spend my time on. 

&quot;It is difficult to be a writer and find a venue. Most publications are male-oriented and male-owned. &quot;

maybe the problem is that they dont really have a venue and have to rely on ambush tactics to get in print(as there arent enough of them to support the market - and most probably dont want to read this stuff either). thereby alienating themselves, while there are others who might just be writing better stuff, and not caring as to whether you know who she is in bed with (thats if you believe them in the first place - i never really believed dworkin - she lied, dissimulated a lot, and so forth). 

ambush: an act or instance of lying concealed so as to attack by surprise

other words you might want to learn are

hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. 

and 

dissimulation: To disguise (one&#039;s intentions, for example) under a feigned appearance / To conceal one&#039;s true feelings or intentions. 


this is much the same behavior that a flasher finds pleasurable. in a way, thats what your doing. under the false pretense, you run up, open your coat, and flash us with your &#039;thing&#039;, and then what? 

see if we get angry? make a social experiment of us?  abused priveledge to get sister social points?  

sheesh...     of the whole lexicon of women authors, and lesbian authors, who have contributed so much since sappho... and thats the best you can find to put up? 

meanwhile, if men didnt let people publish, and lesbians are less than second class citizens, then how do we even know about sappho?  technically we dont know if she was a lesbian, or just an author. we dont know if she made things up or was autobiographical. 

we do know that her works were carried forward thorugh the years on their merrit.   and will continue to... 

but years later... this kind of thing isnt worth anything...   coming across such an article would be like coming across a roman laundry list.  interesting in its contents, but nothing special.  

but note how they agrandize themselves by including themselves with sappho a poet of merit, who no one knows was or wasnt a lesbian in the modern sense (being from lesbos, she was a lesbian in a national sense). 

they are trying to say... sappho was female, sappho was a great writer, i believe you should believe sappho had sex with women, i am female,  i have sex with women, i am a great writer like sappho...  

from that basis... einstein and forest gump are in the same league because they both wear pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically it seems that she is showing the superior talents of duplicity and heretical ability.  (while the article author is showing the depths that navel gazing can get)</p>
<p>duplicity: deceitfulness in speech or conduct; speaking or acting in two different ways concerning the same matter with intent to deceive; double-dealing. </p>
<p>heretical: Characterized by, revealing, or approaching departure from established beliefs or standards</p>
<p>basically if i remember it right, its a plus to misrepresent yourself to get &#8216;in&#8217; and then disrupt things for the &#8217;cause&#8217;, it makes one an &#8216;agent provacateur&#8217;, which gets some peoples jollies. </p>
<p>the men read giving you the benifit of the doubt, and you betray the trust you build up by wasting a little bit of our lives. </p>
<p>betray: to disappoint the hopes or expectations of</p>
<p>fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. </p>
<p>i wonder if the next question by many of the men is whether to bother reading you&#8230;   lots of other authors to spend my time on. </p>
<p>&#8220;It is difficult to be a writer and find a venue. Most publications are male-oriented and male-owned. &#8221;</p>
<p>maybe the problem is that they dont really have a venue and have to rely on ambush tactics to get in print(as there arent enough of them to support the market &#8211; and most probably dont want to read this stuff either). thereby alienating themselves, while there are others who might just be writing better stuff, and not caring as to whether you know who she is in bed with (thats if you believe them in the first place &#8211; i never really believed dworkin &#8211; she lied, dissimulated a lot, and so forth). </p>
<p>ambush: an act or instance of lying concealed so as to attack by surprise</p>
<p>other words you might want to learn are</p>
<p>hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. </p>
<p>and </p>
<p>dissimulation: To disguise (one&#8217;s intentions, for example) under a feigned appearance / To conceal one&#8217;s true feelings or intentions. </p>
<p>this is much the same behavior that a flasher finds pleasurable. in a way, thats what your doing. under the false pretense, you run up, open your coat, and flash us with your &#8216;thing&#8217;, and then what? </p>
<p>see if we get angry? make a social experiment of us?  abused priveledge to get sister social points?  </p>
<p>sheesh&#8230;     of the whole lexicon of women authors, and lesbian authors, who have contributed so much since sappho&#8230; and thats the best you can find to put up? </p>
<p>meanwhile, if men didnt let people publish, and lesbians are less than second class citizens, then how do we even know about sappho?  technically we dont know if she was a lesbian, or just an author. we dont know if she made things up or was autobiographical. </p>
<p>we do know that her works were carried forward thorugh the years on their merrit.   and will continue to&#8230; </p>
<p>but years later&#8230; this kind of thing isnt worth anything&#8230;   coming across such an article would be like coming across a roman laundry list.  interesting in its contents, but nothing special.  </p>
<p>but note how they agrandize themselves by including themselves with sappho a poet of merit, who no one knows was or wasnt a lesbian in the modern sense (being from lesbos, she was a lesbian in a national sense). </p>
<p>they are trying to say&#8230; sappho was female, sappho was a great writer, i believe you should believe sappho had sex with women, i am female,  i have sex with women, i am a great writer like sappho&#8230;  </p>
<p>from that basis&#8230; einstein and forest gump are in the same league because they both wear pants.</p>
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		<title>By: Palinurus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palinurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that the literary output of self-described Lesbians is as limited in range as it is, pardon the expression, penetrant in certain areas of observation. Anything like hard science fiction or involving a working knowledge of technology or any of the hard sciences remains alien to them - with, of course, a few very rare exceptions. One can tell just from the name, &quot;hard&quot; science, that it&#039;s an invention of the evil patriarchy. The soft and gooey pseudo-sciences of psychology, which doesn&#039;t even have a coherent epistemological base, and sociology, don&#039;t even come close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that the literary output of self-described Lesbians is as limited in range as it is, pardon the expression, penetrant in certain areas of observation. Anything like hard science fiction or involving a working knowledge of technology or any of the hard sciences remains alien to them &#8211; with, of course, a few very rare exceptions. One can tell just from the name, &#8220;hard&#8221; science, that it&#8217;s an invention of the evil patriarchy. The soft and gooey pseudo-sciences of psychology, which doesn&#8217;t even have a coherent epistemological base, and sociology, don&#8217;t even come close.</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise, your writing was excellent.   

I&#039;m certainly NOT finding fault with your writing, but I do believe that your choice of topic for most Mensnewsdaily readers needs attention.

Heterosexual men (who doubtlessly comprise the majority of MND readers and posters) are generally among the LAST individuals concerning themselves with lesbians&#039; issues and &quot;news&quot;.

For that matter, since when have lesbians been strongly interested in men&#039;s issues, father&#039;s issues, or heterosexual family issues?

Don&#039;t get me wrong - I really do NOT care what lesbians do in the privacy of their own homes.    

Live and let live.   

But THEIR interests and issues are meaningless to me, and likely to most MND readers.      

Lesbians are a protected, entitled &quot;minority&quot; whose self-appointed representatives have been more interested in promoting their lifestyle choice to our children than in supporting men&#039;s issues.

And their support for heterosexual families is notoriously suspect.

One quote... by Rebecca Ranson caught my eye:  “Lesbians have different issues.&quot;

Somehow, I don&#039;t doubt her assessment in the least.   

I&#039;m as interested in reading more about lesbian lifestyles and literary accomplishments as lesbians are interested in men&#039;s issues, Denise.    

No doubt the San Francisco Chronicle would be interested in your work, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise, your writing was excellent.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly NOT finding fault with your writing, but I do believe that your choice of topic for most Mensnewsdaily readers needs attention.</p>
<p>Heterosexual men (who doubtlessly comprise the majority of MND readers and posters) are generally among the LAST individuals concerning themselves with lesbians&#8217; issues and &#8220;news&#8221;.</p>
<p>For that matter, since when have lesbians been strongly interested in men&#8217;s issues, father&#8217;s issues, or heterosexual family issues?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I really do NOT care what lesbians do in the privacy of their own homes.    </p>
<p>Live and let live.   </p>
<p>But THEIR interests and issues are meaningless to me, and likely to most MND readers.      </p>
<p>Lesbians are a protected, entitled &#8220;minority&#8221; whose self-appointed representatives have been more interested in promoting their lifestyle choice to our children than in supporting men&#8217;s issues.</p>
<p>And their support for heterosexual families is notoriously suspect.</p>
<p>One quote&#8230; by Rebecca Ranson caught my eye:  “Lesbians have different issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>Somehow, I don&#8217;t doubt her assessment in the least.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m as interested in reading more about lesbian lifestyles and literary accomplishments as lesbians are interested in men&#8217;s issues, Denise.    </p>
<p>No doubt the San Francisco Chronicle would be interested in your work, though.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Indeed, literature would be impoverished beyond recognition without the contributions of gay women.&quot;?

scuuuuuuse me? where, in BIZARRO world, S.F., Ca.?  feminists do this a lot. make a ludicrious premise and watch out! she could go anywhere from there. like &quot;all men are potential rapists&quot;. here, let me try.

1. 99% of all men and women are stupid if they believe feminists.
2. all beautiful womens&#039; sex lives would be impoverished w/o me.
sorry, got carried away.

maybe she meant it to be funny, cause it is that.
maybe she would like to name some of the lesbian authors that we can&#039;t imagine literature without. 
sister, just because this sort of garbage worked in the past...
we watchin ya&#039;ll now. smart up! (if possible)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed, literature would be impoverished beyond recognition without the contributions of gay women.&#8221;?</p>
<p>scuuuuuuse me? where, in BIZARRO world, S.F., Ca.?  feminists do this a lot. make a ludicrious premise and watch out! she could go anywhere from there. like &#8220;all men are potential rapists&#8221;. here, let me try.</p>
<p>1. 99% of all men and women are stupid if they believe feminists.<br />
2. all beautiful womens&#8217; sex lives would be impoverished w/o me.<br />
sorry, got carried away.</p>
<p>maybe she meant it to be funny, cause it is that.<br />
maybe she would like to name some of the lesbian authors that we can&#8217;t imagine literature without.<br />
sister, just because this sort of garbage worked in the past&#8230;<br />
we watchin ya&#8217;ll now. smart up! (if possible)</p>
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		<title>By: conservativation</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Also, gay men often don&#039;t realize they need lesbian input.&quot;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

That quote from the article is literally layered with Freudian richness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8221;Also, gay men often don&#8217;t realize they need lesbian input.&#8221;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>That quote from the article is literally layered with Freudian richness.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dolan says, &quot;It is difficult to be a writer and find a venue. Most publications are male-oriented and male-owned. A lot of time they don&#039;t recognize that they have a lesbian readership:

I have heard paranoids say the same thing. They are a tad smaller proportion of the populous than lesbians mind you; just a bit. Is it so surprising to her that heterosexual males - you know, the Majority of the  risk-taking publishing entrepreneurs, do the publishing thing and are male-oriented?  We all know it is &#039;hidden&#039; but she could have consulted the psychic Bayer to find that out. Perhaps she should see the family counsellor Butler. 

What a sad lot, Denise, all with delusions of adequacy from your excellent description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dolan says, &#8220;It is difficult to be a writer and find a venue. Most publications are male-oriented and male-owned. A lot of time they don&#8217;t recognize that they have a lesbian readership:</p>
<p>I have heard paranoids say the same thing. They are a tad smaller proportion of the populous than lesbians mind you; just a bit. Is it so surprising to her that heterosexual males &#8211; you know, the Majority of the  risk-taking publishing entrepreneurs, do the publishing thing and are male-oriented?  We all know it is &#8216;hidden&#8217; but she could have consulted the psychic Bayer to find that out. Perhaps she should see the family counsellor Butler. </p>
<p>What a sad lot, Denise, all with delusions of adequacy from your excellent description.</p>
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		<title>By: TheManOnTheStreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheManOnTheStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm... You do realise that this IS MENS NEWS DAILY... right?  What prey tell makes this news for men... Better yet, what makes this &quot;news&quot; at all?

TMOTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm&#8230; You do realise that this IS MENS NEWS DAILY&#8230; right?  What prey tell makes this news for men&#8230; Better yet, what makes this &#8220;news&#8221; at all?</p>
<p>TMOTS</p>
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