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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;The first thing one notices about the gang world is this: There are no fathers&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But is the system, entitling supremist victim-parasites to bastardise children and exile fathers for profit not staffed by males themeselves ? &lt;/i&gt;

Sure. And they are doing what people in power have always done, which is destroying the rights of those below them on the feeding chain. Men in power use feminism as an ideology to justify more laws, more prisons, more bureacracy, more money for government coffers. Same old racket.

&lt;i&gt;Society destruction 101 First kick out and disenfranchise the fathers. Once those pesky men are out of the way , the state can have complete control.&lt;/i&gt;

True enough. And this is why reasonable arguments by MRAs fail. When we argue that we need fathers in children&#039;s lives to stop social disintegration, we are stepping on the prerogatives of the power elite. So they respond with even more repression. This is why it will take a major movement, akin to the civil rights revolution, to change things. 

One thing MRAs can do is leverage the situation against the state. If society is disintegrating, then we can use the increasing numbers of disenfranchised as our own power base.

Look at the bigger picture: we have more Americans being disenfranchised owing to outsourcing of jobs, illegal immigration, taxes, etc. Noam Chomsky, in his book &quot;Deterring Democracy&quot;, has an interesting chapter on how the government has used the war on drugs to dispose of surplus populaces in the inner cities. Now the government is expanding this disposal to the middle class. 

The question is, are Americans willing to fight back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But is the system, entitling supremist victim-parasites to bastardise children and exile fathers for profit not staffed by males themeselves ? </i></p>
<p>Sure. And they are doing what people in power have always done, which is destroying the rights of those below them on the feeding chain. Men in power use feminism as an ideology to justify more laws, more prisons, more bureacracy, more money for government coffers. Same old racket.</p>
<p><i>Society destruction 101 First kick out and disenfranchise the fathers. Once those pesky men are out of the way , the state can have complete control.</i></p>
<p>True enough. And this is why reasonable arguments by MRAs fail. When we argue that we need fathers in children&#8217;s lives to stop social disintegration, we are stepping on the prerogatives of the power elite. So they respond with even more repression. This is why it will take a major movement, akin to the civil rights revolution, to change things. </p>
<p>One thing MRAs can do is leverage the situation against the state. If society is disintegrating, then we can use the increasing numbers of disenfranchised as our own power base.</p>
<p>Look at the bigger picture: we have more Americans being disenfranchised owing to outsourcing of jobs, illegal immigration, taxes, etc. Noam Chomsky, in his book &#8220;Deterring Democracy&#8221;, has an interesting chapter on how the government has used the war on drugs to dispose of surplus populaces in the inner cities. Now the government is expanding this disposal to the middle class. </p>
<p>The question is, are Americans willing to fight back?</p>
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		<title>By: poiuyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>poiuyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is the system, entitling supremist victim-parasites to bastardise children and exile fathers for profit not staffed by males themeselves ? 

Whom initially proposed the system of females first, females only, females forever in the first place ? Not these self same biggots of men, whom came to believe and enforce the lie that social justice for women necessarily means social injustice to men ?

At every level of mendacity through societies institutions, you will find very well renumerated males. Deluded males of a contaminated mind whom effectively take mutual part in depriving each other of their children. Particularly sons !!!

And the mens movement will do well to stop howling and wailing at an injustice against males a majority of its own members blindly support simply by doing their day to day activities and proffessional work. That is as policemen, judges, lawyers, socialworkers, probation officers etcetera, etcetera.

Our own house needs to be got in order first !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is the system, entitling supremist victim-parasites to bastardise children and exile fathers for profit not staffed by males themeselves ? </p>
<p>Whom initially proposed the system of females first, females only, females forever in the first place ? Not these self same biggots of men, whom came to believe and enforce the lie that social justice for women necessarily means social injustice to men ?</p>
<p>At every level of mendacity through societies institutions, you will find very well renumerated males. Deluded males of a contaminated mind whom effectively take mutual part in depriving each other of their children. Particularly sons !!!</p>
<p>And the mens movement will do well to stop howling and wailing at an injustice against males a majority of its own members blindly support simply by doing their day to day activities and proffessional work. That is as policemen, judges, lawyers, socialworkers, probation officers etcetera, etcetera.</p>
<p>Our own house needs to be got in order first !</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Society destruction 101  First kick out and disenfranchise the fathers.  Once those pesky men are out of the way , the state can have complete control.
No matter what it does to society or how many people it hurts.
Once boys have no man around, ie a good man to show them how to act, they go looking for someone to emulate.  And that is usually bad, bad for the &quot;lost men&quot; these boys turn into  and the society they will often ravage.
I have often said if I had a nickle for every woman who said she could raise kids all by herself and do a good job, then I would not  need a job ever!
The horrible truth is they( the women) and the government thugs who empower this act of family destruction are going to cause the downfall of this society.  And those &quot; lost men&quot; who will ravage society, will ravage them!  They will be destroyed by their own evil and selfish behavior.
The only bad part ,is for things to get that bad and for them to ultimately get the punishment they deserve, others will also have to suffer and alot of those others are innocent.  We will be rid of them, but at a great price in human suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Society destruction 101  First kick out and disenfranchise the fathers.  Once those pesky men are out of the way , the state can have complete control.<br />
No matter what it does to society or how many people it hurts.<br />
Once boys have no man around, ie a good man to show them how to act, they go looking for someone to emulate.  And that is usually bad, bad for the &#8220;lost men&#8221; these boys turn into  and the society they will often ravage.<br />
I have often said if I had a nickle for every woman who said she could raise kids all by herself and do a good job, then I would not  need a job ever!<br />
The horrible truth is they( the women) and the government thugs who empower this act of family destruction are going to cause the downfall of this society.  And those &#8221; lost men&#8221; who will ravage society, will ravage them!  They will be destroyed by their own evil and selfish behavior.<br />
The only bad part ,is for things to get that bad and for them to ultimately get the punishment they deserve, others will also have to suffer and alot of those others are innocent.  We will be rid of them, but at a great price in human suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some comments (bear in mind I teach an occasional university course on criminal justice):

1) One reason there are so few fathers in the inner cities is because of the wars on drugs and crime. Increasing numbers of young men are arrested for trivial offenses and removed from the populace. When they return from jail, they find they can not get employment or are otherwise disenfranchised as an ex-felon. So gangs and drug dealing are a viable alternative. The point is, to end this cycle we would have to end the war on drugs. But Americans have their fear over drugs, so any talk of decriminalizing drugs is inevitably met with the, &quot;But what about the children&quot; argument. Let us also note that feminists are in their usual state of mass hysteria over so-called date raype drugs.

2) A distinction has to be made between drug dealing gangs (as described in the article), and youth gangs. The latter tend towards random violence. The former are, as noted, a stabilizing influence. So they may not necessarily be a bad thing. Certainly they provide more services to the inner city than does the government or corporations. So why then do we want to see these gangs eliminated?

3) The logical conclusions of this article is that, ghee whiz, we need to get fathers back into young men&#039;s lives if we want to solve the gang problem. But this is anathema to the state. Why? Because the state&#039;s solution to the gang problem is more laws, more cops, more jails, more disenfranchised citizens. The politics of law and order are not about fighting crime, they are about consolidating the power of the state. So the fathers&#039; movement is a non-starter for the politicians. Politicians want crime to be suppressed by giving themselves more power. 

4) The gangs may not be a bad thing for the MRA movement. Experience in radical politics demonstrates that one of the prerequisites for the famous paradigm shift is the disruption of society. The more society disintegrates, the more opportunity there is for radicals -- and that is what MRAs are these days, radicals -- to bring down the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some comments (bear in mind I teach an occasional university course on criminal justice):</p>
<p>1) One reason there are so few fathers in the inner cities is because of the wars on drugs and crime. Increasing numbers of young men are arrested for trivial offenses and removed from the populace. When they return from jail, they find they can not get employment or are otherwise disenfranchised as an ex-felon. So gangs and drug dealing are a viable alternative. The point is, to end this cycle we would have to end the war on drugs. But Americans have their fear over drugs, so any talk of decriminalizing drugs is inevitably met with the, &#8220;But what about the children&#8221; argument. Let us also note that feminists are in their usual state of mass hysteria over so-called date raype drugs.</p>
<p>2) A distinction has to be made between drug dealing gangs (as described in the article), and youth gangs. The latter tend towards random violence. The former are, as noted, a stabilizing influence. So they may not necessarily be a bad thing. Certainly they provide more services to the inner city than does the government or corporations. So why then do we want to see these gangs eliminated?</p>
<p>3) The logical conclusions of this article is that, ghee whiz, we need to get fathers back into young men&#8217;s lives if we want to solve the gang problem. But this is anathema to the state. Why? Because the state&#8217;s solution to the gang problem is more laws, more cops, more jails, more disenfranchised citizens. The politics of law and order are not about fighting crime, they are about consolidating the power of the state. So the fathers&#8217; movement is a non-starter for the politicians. Politicians want crime to be suppressed by giving themselves more power. </p>
<p>4) The gangs may not be a bad thing for the MRA movement. Experience in radical politics demonstrates that one of the prerequisites for the famous paradigm shift is the disruption of society. The more society disintegrates, the more opportunity there is for radicals &#8212; and that is what MRAs are these days, radicals &#8212; to bring down the system.</p>
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