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Darwin Ist Tot: Intelligent Design is Not Creationism

2008-03-02
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One man’s magic is another man’s science.
Religious essayist Rev. Eric Strachan of the New Life Community Church in Ontario, Canada has published a short essay in The Daily Observer called “The Wonders of Intelligent Design.”

Strachan writes: “There’s a difference in the things that God creates, and the stuff that men and women design, a world of difference, you simply cannot compare the two, it’s like comparing the artistry of Van Gogh with a pre-Kindergarten kid picking up a paintbrush for the first time. ”

It’s a pity this folksie contrast between the relative engineering skills of man v. God does nothing to advance my own knowledge of Intelligent Design or the controversy surrounding it.

“Despite Susskinds apologies, it is obvious that for him, the right answer is not dependent on the approval of Karl Popper.

“The Occam’s Razor solution for the Double Slit Experiment is also obvious: Many Worlds is the simplest explanation for the evidence.

“…if the Multiverse is the True Condition of our universe, then Intelligent Design automatically becomes a viable explanation for its origin and existence.”

If Strachan had taken the time during his travels to consider the relative impact of the Anthropic Principle on the Final Theory of Everything, I might better have enjoyed the time I spent reading his article.

Heady stuff like the Anthropic Principle or the framework for an organized Theory of Everything are not typically on the minds of Pastors, Priests, Rabbis, or Imams — or any other ceremonial defender of an Ordered Universe.

Science is practiced by scientists, not by priests. But recently science and religion appear to have become indistinguishable, as for example in their respective institutional intolerance of competing ideas.

The nominal bishops of the U.S. Scientific Establishment, for instance, have declared in a virtual edict that Intelligent Design is the stuff of “magic” — not science.

As good vassals to the establishment, the mainstream media has accepted the responsibility to take science and magic and sunder them separate for the benefit of the laity.

But as Arthur C. Clark noted many years ago in his Three Laws, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

One man’s magic, it seems, is another man’s science.

“Intelligent Design Creationism”
Strachan’s article appeared in my daily Google News Alert on the key words “Intelligent Design.”

My daily crop of the term “Intelligent Design” on Google News usually brings a plurality of articles that have in common a missionary intent to define Intelligent Design as a hands-down flavor of biblical creationism.

It’s almost as though everyone in the Science-as-Public-Opinion business got a YouTube saying something to the effect, “Attention all Science Opinion contributors in the Main Stream Media: The following is an instruction from the Supreme Politburo at Central Command. You are hereby advised that whenever you are forced to use the two words ‘Intelligent’ and ‘Design’ together in the same sentence, you must ALWAYS include ‘Creationism’ as a qualifier. If you have questions about this, please submit them in writing to your supervisor. That is all.”

Here’s a sampling from a recent google news search of the term “Intelligent Design“…

  1. “…despite the fact that creationism, along with its uptown cousin “intelligent design,” keeps getting expelled…” – Tornoto Star
  2. “Polls have shown some Americans don’t even know the Earth orbits the sun. These same Americans believe in intelligent design creationism which is nothing more than a childish belief in magic. Teaching intelligent design magic is child abuse. This nonsense doesn’t belong anywhere, not even in Sunday School.”- South Coast Today
  3. Young earth creation science and its fraternal twin, Intelligent Design profess that a great supernatural entity (God) created the world and all life on it.” – IndeNews
  4. “The National Academy of Science, America’s most prestigious group of scientists, has recently published an update of Science, Evolution, and Creationism that states: “the claims of intelligent design creationists are disproved by the findings of modern biology.” Democrat and Chronicle.

This list goes on and on.

Conflating Intelligent Design with biblical creationism is a facile attempt to mold the minds of people who might otherwise be interested in the topic of Intelligent Design as a stand-alone course of study.

As Institutions, Media and Academia have taken on Intelligent Design with a palpable and sustained ferocity. The results of the Kitzmiller fiasco has also lent a fig leaf of legal legitimacy to the anti-ID movement.

The Prevailing Wind
Based on these current scientific and media biases, it would seem that Richard Dawkins has been appointed our veritable Minister of Science and Chief Defender of the Faith.

And despite the existence of a few intellectual rebels in the media, it should be noted that a majority of academic scientists are known to prefer the simple comforts of Dumb Mechanics over the ugly prospects of Intelligent Intention. Unlikely as it may be, the Orthodox Majority believes Blind Chance to be the Ultimate Cause of the Big Bang and the DNA molecule.

Remarkably, these writers and scientists seem to religiously avoid any discussion of a well-documented Anthropic phenomenon called the Observation Selection Effect (perhaps preferring instead the much easier task of denouncing the ignorance of Young Earth Creationists, or YECs).

But as we may note from the Double Slit Experiment, the simple act of observation may turn out to be a Cause in Itself.

In other words, at some level, observation may be a self-creating process.

If this is true, it follows that collective observation may be required in order for history to have occurred at all!

If the Observation Selection Effect is required for the Universe to exist, could we also infer that a real-time Observer of the Big Bang was required in order for it to have occurred in the first instance?

The Shifting Paradigm: Science as a Text of Human History
If the dissenters eventually have their way — and Intelligent Design becomes an accepted model for the origin of the universe — the current era of Scientific Positivism will itself become history.

In response to this threat, a Popperian Orthodoxy has emerged in the media and across the academic world. Science writers who want the biscuit must always declare a strict separation between science and magic in their public writings on ID. Likewise, Intelligent Design must never be acknowledged as being connected with the former, but always the latter.

And after all – Intelligent Design has no pedigree, as Positivism does. No new paradigm of science could possibly overtake the sainted Karl Popper – at least among the orthodox establishment.

The fabric of reality is the privileged province of a different kind of priest — a highly trained and vetted Priest of Science.

Popper is Challenged
No one doubts that there exists a plethora of Popperian loyalists in the Biological Sciences. But in the fields of Physics and Quantum Mechanics, the Many Worlds Interpretation of the universe — though inherently non-falsifiable — has been well-accepted for decades.

We note, for instance, that National Academy of Science member Leonard Susskind can be witnessed putting down an orthodox Popperian in this 2006 Nature article on the “multiverse” hypothesis:

Since the early 1980s, some cosmologists have argued that multiple universes could have formed during a period of cosmic inflation that preceded the Big Bang. More recently, string theorists have calculated that there could be 10>500 universes, which is more than the number of atoms in our observable Universe. Under these circumstances, it becomes more reasonable to assume that several would turn out like ours. It’s like getting zillions and zillions of darts to throw at the dart board, Susskind says.”Surely, a large number of them are going to wind up in the target zone.” And of course, we exist in our particular Universe because we couldn’t exist anywhere else. It’s an intriguing idea with just one problem, says Gross:  It’s impossible to disprove.  Because our Universe is, almost by definition, everything we can observe, there are no apparent measurements that would confirm whether we exist within a cosmic landscape of multiple universes, or if ours is the only one. And because we can’t falsify the idea, Gross says, it isn’t science.

Susskind, too, finds it “deeply, deeply troubling” that there’s no way to test the principle. But he is not yet ready to rule it out completely. “It would be very foolish to throw away the right answer on the basis that it doesn’t conform to some criteria for what is or isn’t science,” he says. [Emphasis added.]

(Geoff Brumfiel, “Outrageous Fortune,” Nature, Vol 439:10-12 (January 5, 2006).)

Despite Susskind’s apologies, it is obvious that for him, the “right answer” is not dependent on the approval of Karl Popper.

The Occam’s Razor solution for the Double Slit Experiment is also obvious: Many Worlds is the simplest explanation for the evidence.

And if the Multiverse is the True Condition of our universe, then Intelligent Design automatically becomes a viable explanation for its origin and existence.

Offering a Proof
Professor Frank Tipler, a protege of renown American Physicist John Wheeler, is a peer reviewed scientist who favors the Many Worlds Interpretation. Tipler has, in his Omega Point Theory (OPT), developed what is in effect a mathematical proof for the existence of God.

Tipler’s proof has been reviewed and credited by Oxford physicist (and winner of the Paul Dirac Award) David Deutsch, in chapter 14 of his seminal book, the Fabric of Reality.

In his book, Deutsch acknowledged that the OPT is a legitimate model for a universe that could eventuate in a super-computational intelligence.

If professor Susskind in correct that the fabric of reality is founded in the Multiverse, then all of the conditions required for the emergence of the Omega Point are satisfied within the context of the Observation Selection Effect. In other words, in some universe somewhere, God may naturally emerge to Observe Himself. In so doing, He would effect all the possible strands of the Multiverse, and thus bring Himself – and us – into Being.

The above essay is offered as OPINION.


On the subject of academic freedom for proponents of Intelligent Design, IDTheFuture has a great podcast available for download.

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  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    Over at ReasonableKansans.blogspot.com, a reader writes,

    Wave-particle duality is a misunderstood concept that often gets exploited for New Age mushiness. The double slit experiment was done by Young more than 200 years ago, and it doesn’t really carry any metaphysical content. It does carry epistemological content, though, which is that the microscopic world doesn’t follow the logic of the matcroscopic world, and thus constitutes a strong reminder of the epistemic limits of any human system, including science, to completely describe reality. The Uncertainty Principle and Godel’s Theorem serve a similiar caution, and they don’t necessarily imply any particular metaphysics, nor do they rule it out. That’s not as sexy as the premise of ‘What the Bleep do we know, anyway’, but there it is.

    I think this is a very important point, and I would respond by asking this reader exactly where in the spectrum between “Macroscopic” and “Microscopic” does he think that Anthropic Principle stops working? I don’t think it’s enough to say, “Oh, well, the Uncertainty Principle only applies to the Quantum world, and Godel’s Theorem is just a prop for Mathematicians with no applicability in the real world.”

    That’s quibbling with the facts. If science admits that the Anthropic Bias is a real phenomenon, then it’s legitimate to inquire where these biases begin and end, and to what extent they can be said to be observable in the present via Jungian Synchronicity or whatever.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    The Darwinist position on the origin of the Universe is that Chance is the Final Solution to the largest question.

    I simply don’t believe this.

    Darwinists will argue that Chaotic Information is not saved or even savable.

    I disagree. I think that Information is in fact permanently preserved, and I think the Final Theory will show that this is true.

    Darwinists will say that there is no evidence of Saved Information. They will say that there is no evidence of Purpose or Intention at the heart of any Chaos, and therefore we must assume that the universe is inherently Chaotic and un-Saved.

    I disagree. I think there is mathematical evidence that Information is permanently encoded in the fabric of space-time.

    I would say that, since Chaos Theory is itself a discrete field of study, Chaotic Systems are thus formal systems in the sense that they behave within predictable parameters. That makes any Chaotic System subject to Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem.

    So much for “Chaos” as the Final Solution….

  • http://www.paulburnett.com/creation.htm Paul Burnett

    For anybody still following this debate, here’s a quote: “”Adherents of the so-called intelligent design ideology commit a grave theological error. They claim that scientific theories, that ascribe the great role to chance and random events in the evolutionary processes, should be replaced, or supplemented, by theories acknowledging the thread of intelligent design in the universe. Such views are theologically erroneous. They implicitly revive the old manicheistic error postulating the existence of two forces acting against each other: God and an inert matter; in this case, chance and intelligent design. There is no opposition here. Within the all-comprising Mind of God what we call chance and random events is well composed into the symphony of creation.” – Michael Heller, Polish cosmologist and Catholic priest, currently Professor in the Faculty of Philosophy at the Pontifical Academy of Theology in Krakow. – http://www.templetonprize.org/pdfs/heller_statement.pdf

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    They implicitly revive the old manicheistic error postulating the existence of two forces acting against each other: God and an inert matter; in this case, chance and intelligent design.

    On Manichaeism:

    Manichæism

    Manichæism is a religion founded by the Persian Mani in the latter half of the third century. It purported to be the true synthesis of all the religious systems then known, and actually consisted of Zoroastrian Dualism, Babylonian folklore, Buddhist ethics, and some small and superficial, additions of Christian elements. As the theory of two eternal principles, good and evil, is predominant in this fusion of ideas and gives color to the whole, Manichæism is classified as a form of religious Dualism. It spread with extraordinary rapidity in both East and West and maintained a sporadic and intermittent existence in the West (Africa, Spain, France, North Italy, the Balkans) for a thousand years, but it flourished mainly in the land of its birth, (Mesopotamia, Babylonia, Turkestan) and even further East in Northern India, Western China, and Tibet, where, c. A.D. 1000, the bulk of the population professed its tenets and where it died out at an uncertain date.

    This is also a version of the Gnostic Heresy, which fumbles on the Problem of Evil, to whit: If God is so all-powerful and intelligent, then why does evil exist at all?

    The Gnostics solve the problem by saying that there are two Gods (or two faces of God)– one good, the other evil.

    I don’t think the Gnostic Heresy is applicable to Intelligent Design. No one ever said that “Chance” was the same thing as Evil.

    In any case, if you were looking for Universal Forces in Opposition to back up your argument for Gnosticism, you might consider Entropy: the most pure example of oppositional forces in an epic contest.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

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  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    From the Wedge Document, as cited by Paul elsewhere:

    Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.

    And this lovely bit:

    Alongside a focus on influential opinion-makers, we also seek to build up a popular base of support among our natural constituency, namely, Christians. We will do this primarily through apologetics seminars. We intend these to encourage and equip believers with new scientific evidence’s that support the faith, as well as to “popularize” our ideas in the broader culture.

    Even so, Intelligent Design stands on its own owing to the work of Brandon Carter in the 1970s and then Tipler and Barrow in the 80s, and Tipler with his OPT in the early 1990s.

    All of the hubbub around the Anthropic Principle occurred long before the Wedge document was ever conceived.

    In addition, the major claim against any flavor of ID is that it does not conform to the rigors of Popperian epistemology.

    But has we have already seen, the best solutions for the most profound questions may not always “conform to some criteria for what is or isn’t science.”

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    About ISSR

    ISSR was founded in 2001 under the inaugural presidency of mathematical physicist and Anglican priest Sir John Polkinghorne. The presidency then passed to Professor George Ellis and the current president is Sir Brian Heap.
    Aims

    Our central aim is the facilitation of dialogue between the two academic disciplines of science and religion, one of the most important current areas of debate in terms of understanding the nature of humanity. This includes both the enhancement of the profile of the science-religion interface in the public eye, as well as the safeguarding of the quality and rigour of the debate in the more formal, academic arena.

    also…

    Despite this focus on evolution, intelligent design should not be confused with biblical or “scientific” creationism, which relies on a particular interpretation of the Genesis account of creation.

    That last is quite a good point.

  • http://www.paulburnett.com/creation.htm Paul Burnett

    The International Society for Science & Religion has recently issued a statement on ‘Intelligent Design,’ which it says “…is neither sound science nor good theology.” See http://www.issr.org.uk/id-statement.asp

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    Note: The author of this piece also had an excellent after-article discussion over at IntellectualConservative.com

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    The brilliant physicist David Deutsch talks about the universe’s most average place in this video.

    I highly recommend his book, The Fabric of Reality.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    Paul – (re-12), I read the article at Panda’s Thumb.

    PZ Myers, is it?

    He does a compelling job of deconstructing Wells’ piece…. here’s the money line:

    Wells Wrote:

    “Yet Mendel�s theory of genetics contradicted Darwin�s, and Darwinists rejected Mendelian genetics for half a century.”

    Mendel�s work was heavily promoted by evolutionary biologists who thought saltation (mutational jumps) drove evolution. The big problem for natural selection was that although Mendelian inheritance explained how favourable traits could persist and not be diluted out, the traits appeared to be binary, you either had a trait or not (incomplete dominance not withstanding). How could it explain traits that appeared to have continuous variation? This was solved between 1918 by statistician RA Fischer and the 30�s by Sewall Wright, JSB Haldane and others, leading to the �Modern synthesis� of the 40�s which fused Darwin�s ideas with population genetics, leading to one of the most fruitful research programs in biology until the modern molecular biology era. In no sense could Darwinian evolutionary biologists be said to �reject� Mendelian inheritance. Indeed Fischer saw biometry as a way of reconciling the discontinuous nature of Mendelian Inheritance with the continuous variation seen in nature.

    My response overall is…. so what? Personally, I have no problem at all accepting the mechanical nature of evolution — however it occurred. For me, I am less interested in how the pins fall than how the Bowling Alley got there in the first place.

  • bobx2x2

    I checked out your ID video. I notice the only comments for that video are from the god-soaked idiots who believe in intelligent design magic. I noticed creationists love censorship. Probably because they don’t want some scientist to point out the obvious fact intelligent design is childish nonsense.

  • bobx2x2

    I think it’s about time the intelligent design creationists stop lying about what intelligent design really is. They are not fooling anyone. Every scientist on earth who has ever heard of this intelligent design nonsense knows it’s childish supernatural magic. All scientists laugh at the breathtaking stupidity of the intelligent design creationists. Especially funny is when these liars say the designer could have been aliens from another planet. What’s the point of lying when everyone knows you’re a liar? I am sick of this constant lying about ID being science when it was really invented by idiots to try to stick the sky fairy into science classes. Scientists knew the ID idiots were lying several years ago and they know they’re still lying today. Now these idiots are complaining about being called idiots. How about just stop being idiots, give up your constant lying, and admit your nonsense is nothing more than magical creation.

    I really don’t care what stupid people believe, but I can’t tolerate their constant lying.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    Thank you, Joseph. Yes, I can’t wait to see Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed….

  • bobx2x2

    Somebody asked a good question: “So, the question is, what are you going to teach when you teach ID?”

    The teacher of intelligent design magic would say “The Magic Man Done It.”

    That would be the entire lesson.

  • http://www.paulburnett.com/creation.htm Paul Burnett

    Wow, Mike, where to start? (At least it’s refreshing to see I’m not alone in my understanding of intelligent design creationism.) Let’s start with the title of your article, “Intelligent Design is Not Creationism.”

    Given a choice betwen your opinion and the opinion of a Federal judge, I am constrained to side with the judge who ruled: “We have concluded that intelligent design is not science, and moreover that intelligent design cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.” – Judge John Jones, Harrisburg, PA, December 20, 2005. Contrary to the title of your article, Intelligent Design is Creationism.

    Judge Jones also stated in his opinion: “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.” It is a historical fact that the Discovery Institute (called by some the “Dishonesty Institute”) and its Fellows and its fellow travelers lie. They lie about evolution and they lie about biology and they lie about science. And their Big Lie – that you have bought hook, line and sinker – is “Intelligent Design is Not Creationism.”

    (In an article today, Panda’s Thumb discusses how Dishonesty Institute Fellow Jonathan Wells spouts misinformation and disinformation – and lies – about a report in Science Daily. Among the commentors is the lead investigator of the article (who has a PhD in molecular microbiology), who says “I?d like to strongly support the view advocated this page.” – see http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/how-stupid-do-t.html )

    Mike hallucinated a hypothesis that someone has said: “You are hereby advised that whenever you are forced to use the two words ‘Intelligent’ and ‘Design’ together in the same sentence, you must ALWAYS include ‘Creationism’ as a qualifier.”

    Not exactly. Dr. Barbara Forrest’s paper, ?Understanding the Intelligent Design Creationist Movement: Its True Nature and Goals,” available at http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/intelligent-design.pdf explains the very good reasons for this usage. Dr. Forrest is a philosopher specializing in the philosophy of science, and is a nationally-recognized speaker and expert witness.

    Mike then had the audacity to write: “Conflating Intelligent Design with biblical creationism is a facial attempt to mold the minds of people…” I challenge anybody who reads this blatant lie to Google the term “cdesign proponentsists” to see who originally incompetently conflated intelligent design with biblical creationism. Wait until you realize what they were trying to do – and got caught and busted in Federal court with the scam they were trying to pull.

    Mike mentioned: “I haven’t mentioned the Wedge Document because it is not relevant to the point.”

    You title your article “Intelligent Design is Not Creationism” and then have the gall to claim that the Dishonesty Institute’s propaganda manifesto is not relevant? Again, I challenege anybody reading this to actually look at the wedge document – http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html – and determine whether intelligent design is based on science or religion. (You may also find this summary article useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

    Mike wrote: “And professor Tipler, it should be noted, has signed the Dissent from Darwinism.” So are we supposed to be impressed that the Dishonesty Institute has worked their way up to scamming 704 scientists from around the planet (or 0.07% of all working scientists) to sign a mild anti-Darwinism statement? As has been pointed out elsewhere, there are more scientists than that in detoxification centers or insane asylums.

  • JosephU

    Part of the article said:
    “And despite the existence of a few intellectual rebels in the media ”

    This refers to the
    Ben Stein movie:
    “EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed”,
    which is scheduled for an April 18, 2008 release.

    In the meantime,
    3 “EXPELLED” movie trailers
    and a Bill O’Reilly interview can be viewed
    at: http://www.ExpelledTheMovie.com/video.php

    .

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    The topic of my article is the meaning of the term “Intelligent Design.” I observed that “Intelligent Design” is being purposely conflated with biblical creationism. I also produced a peer reviewed scientist with a nice pedigree who has offered a mathematical proof for the existence of God.

    That proof has been acknowledged and credited by a name-brand physicist in the person of David Deutsch.

    And professor Tipler, it should be noted, has signed the Dissent from Darwinism.

    But as usual, the critics of Intelligent Design — in their desperation to conflate ID with creationism — will stick to their text no matter what evidence they are faced with.

    Perhaps we should stick to public relations after all…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEPqLKErXpI

  • infidel57

    “As usual, critics of ID would rather talk about the public relations business than the actual science. ”

    Okay. Let’s talk about the science. Irreducible Complexity. That’s it. If there is no IC, there is no ID. I am not a biologist, but biologists that I trust say that IC is a crock. IC didn’t hold up at Dover, and it doesn’t hold up under peer review. It is an argument from ignorance. It says, “I can’t figure out how this could have happened without a guiding hand, so I’ll just accept that explanation.” It is the end of science, and it is the end of the inquiry. Godidit. The end.

    So, what’s the science? What are you going to teach the kids?

    Incidently, the date of the Wedge Document is not relevevant. What is relevant is that it outlines a course of action against science that would be a disaster for our country, and it is connected with the main purveyors of ID, the Discovery Institute. The guys who formulated the Wedge Strategy are the same guys who are pushing ID. To think this is irrelavent would be incredibly naieve, or incredibly dishonest.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    Around and around we go.

    I haven’t mentioned the Wedge Document because it is not relevant to the point. Why should the Wedge Document impact Tipler’s OPT? According to wikipedia, the Wedge Document was drafted in 1998.

    Tipler’s OPT was first published in the Physics of Immortality in 1994.

    David Deutsch credited Tipler for OPT in his book published in 1997.

    As usual, critics of ID would rather talk about the public relations business than the actual science.

  • infidel57

    Mike,
    “My point is not necessarily to argue in favor of Christianity or any other religion you care to name. My point is to argue against the foregone conclusion that life has no intelligent intention.”

    You still don’t grasp the argument. When you are involved in scientific research, you are dealing with the material world. Whether there is, or is not, and intelligent designer, has no importance. Allowing for some deity can’t be a part of the research process.

    ID is not a science. There is no science of ID, and there is no Theory of ID. You have popular writers like Behe and Dembski churning out books, but the central thesis of the books, the very backbone of ID, irreducible complexity, has been shown to be a bogus concept by real scientists. So, the question is, what are you going to teach when you teach ID?

    And you haven’t addressed the issue of the involvement of the Discovery Institute and their Wedge Document. There is absolutely no doubt that the Discovery Institute is a religious organization, and what they are pushing is a religious, not a scientific concept, so why should scientists respect it? If the Discovery Institute wants respect in the scientific community, they really need to do more research and prove their science.

    ” …would be very foolish to throw away the right answer…”

    Wow! ID proponents really jumped on this quote! But is it relevant to the conversation? Susskind was talking about string theory, a concept which would add to, not supplant present day knowledge. ID proponents are fighting to SUPPLANT the teaching of evolutionary theory with ID. ET has 140 years of research and validation across several scientific disciplines.

    ID has zero scientific validation. Absolutely nothing, nada. And you want to teach this to our kids? Well, let’s do this and cede our science to more enlightened nations like France or China or Japan. Those who are least likely to embrace this malarky, will be the most likely to advance scientifically.

  • bobx2x2

    Mike LaSalle, if you are defending intelligent design creationism, then you are defending magic. You believe in magic. Why shouldn’t educated people laugh at you?

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    My point is not necessarily to argue in favor of Christianity or any other religion you care to name. My point is to argue against the foregone conclusion that life has no intelligent intention.

    It seems to me that you could argue this from a number of reference points:

    A. You could argue in favor of a Darwin-approved Random Mutation/Natural Selection model . (This model is safely grandfathered into the Popperian paradigm and is therefore favored by lemmings everywhere.)

    B. You could say “maybe God Didit” and proceed to test your hypothesis using Chaos theory, computational mathematics, quantum theory, and the like.

    C. You might suggest (as both Fred Hoyle and Francis Crick have) that “Aliens Didit“, and test your theory down that corridor of inquiry.

    The point is, hypothesis “A” is the entrenched solution of choice among the elite scientific establishment. No other viewpoint is allowed — not even for Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of DNA.

    Re: the comment

    “Intelligent design proponents are god-soaked idiots who don’t even know what science is.”

    I find this comment quite ironic in light of NAS member Leonard Susskind’s quote above,

    “It would be very foolish to throw away the right answer on the basis that it doesn’t conform to some criteria for what is or isn’t science.”

    It is also very interesting to note that (at least in my experience) most ID critics on the Internet spend an inordinate amount of time lambasting the character of ID proponents. Spewing such venom usually leaves very little brainpower to show just where these drunk-on-god types have gone wrong in their science.

    This reminds me again of Planet of the Apes (1968), where Taylor’s self-evident ability to “think” is disputed to his face by the eminent Dr. Maximus ….

    Dr. Maximus: “Tell the Court, Bright Eyes, what is the second Article of Faith?”
    Taylor: “I know nothing of your culture, I admit that.”
    Dr. Maximus: “Of course he doesn’t know our culture, because he cannot think!”)

  • bobx2x2

    The designer creates. It poofs the bacterial flagellum into existence. It’s creationism. Intelligent design is creationism. The designer is a sky fairy with a magic wand. Intelligent design proponents are god-soaked idiots who don’t even know what science is.

  • bobx2x2

    This is what all the professional liars for Jesus say: “Intelligent Design is Not Creationism.”

    Creationism was renamed to creation science to sneak it into science education. That didn’t work so creation science was renamed to intelligent design. That didn’t work either so intelligent design has been renamed to “teach the controversy” to sneak God into science classes. That also didn’t work. The liars for Jesus never stop lying and they never stop losing in court.

    Everyone knows the designer is the Christian sky fairy. Everyone knows you anti-science holy rollers are liars. What’s the point of lying if everyone knows you are the most dishonest people in history?

    Science hard. Brain hurt.

    God easy. No think.

  • panic

    Let me sum up your argument:

    “There are two, and only two, explanations: Darwin and God, so if I fail to comprehend Darwin, God is my only refuge.”

    Perhaps the error lies with the author taking too much to heart such pithy and uplifting maxims as “anything that you can conceive, you can do”.

    I suggest that a more useful alternative (at least, for persons with his limited ability) is “just do the best you can”, and take away his crayon.

  • infidel57

    Here’s the problem. The author failed to mention the main propaganda ministry for ID, the Discovery Institute, or their Wedge Document.

    ID was created as a direct result of the outlawing of creationism being taught as science. It is a smoke screen for creationism, and the Wedge Document says as much.







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