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	<title>Comments on: California Lawyer Magazine: NOW Leader Calls Fathers&#8217; Movement &#8216;Dishonest and Dangerous&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: The NCP Revue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Now fears fathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The NCP Revue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Now fears fathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a positive sign that the MM is seen as dangerous to NOW in a publication such as California Lawyer. It means that MRAs are making the kind of noise that is being heard and picked up by new and wider audiences. 

The Advertsing link on California Lawyer states:

Size
California has 20% of all practicing attorneys nationwide

Reach
California Lawyer circulates to 100% of California?s practicing attorneys and to:

100% of California Judiciary
Managing Partners in the top 250 firms
Corporate Counsel
Information Technology directors
Administrators

This may mean that lawyers will see that there is money to be made here. Mens and fathers rights are a new area to get involved with. To profit from. Perhaps a class action lawsuit?? And the message is getting out to IT Directors and Administrators.

Yes. We are dangerous. To all you feminsts:

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

We are coming.



harry and fourthwire:

good to see you both as well! Highest regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a positive sign that the MM is seen as dangerous to NOW in a publication such as California Lawyer. It means that MRAs are making the kind of noise that is being heard and picked up by new and wider audiences. </p>
<p>The Advertsing link on California Lawyer states:</p>
<p>Size<br />
California has 20% of all practicing attorneys nationwide</p>
<p>Reach<br />
California Lawyer circulates to 100% of California?s practicing attorneys and to:</p>
<p>100% of California Judiciary<br />
Managing Partners in the top 250 firms<br />
Corporate Counsel<br />
Information Technology directors<br />
Administrators</p>
<p>This may mean that lawyers will see that there is money to be made here. Mens and fathers rights are a new area to get involved with. To profit from. Perhaps a class action lawsuit?? And the message is getting out to IT Directors and Administrators.</p>
<p>Yes. We are dangerous. To all you feminsts:</p>
<p>Be afraid. Be very afraid.</p>
<p>We are coming.</p>
<p>harry and fourthwire:</p>
<p>good to see you both as well! Highest regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She thinks we&#039;re dangerous now, wait until we start screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law!

No dishonesty necessary.  Truth works quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She thinks we&#8217;re dangerous now, wait until we start screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law!</p>
<p>No dishonesty necessary.  Truth works quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: redrajesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>redrajesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOW claiming that mens groups are dangerous? That is the ultimate in hypocrisy. 

Groups like now have access to all the goons of the world with all the tax money which they have swindled out of the hardworking men, they ensure that women like mary winkler and clara harris can get away with murder by threatening judges, organize bombings of places where people decide to collect to speak the truth about feminism. and attempt to murder people who dare to speak the truth like the murder attempt on  Terri Lynn Tersak. In today&#039;s world. there is nothing more dangerous than feminist organizations and feminist women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOW claiming that mens groups are dangerous? That is the ultimate in hypocrisy. </p>
<p>Groups like now have access to all the goons of the world with all the tax money which they have swindled out of the hardworking men, they ensure that women like mary winkler and clara harris can get away with murder by threatening judges, organize bombings of places where people decide to collect to speak the truth about feminism. and attempt to murder people who dare to speak the truth like the murder attempt on  Terri Lynn Tersak. In today&#8217;s world. there is nothing more dangerous than feminist organizations and feminist women.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Hi Denis!)

I think that Helen Grieco is absolutely right to say that the fathers&#039; rights movement is &#039;dangerous&#039;.

It is dangerous to feminism and to people like her.

Indeed, I would go much further.

In my view, the MM is going to end up being **very** dangerous as far as its opponents are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hi Denis!)</p>
<p>I think that Helen Grieco is absolutely right to say that the fathers&#8217; rights movement is &#8216;dangerous&#8217;.</p>
<p>It is dangerous to feminism and to people like her.</p>
<p>Indeed, I would go much further.</p>
<p>In my view, the MM is going to end up being **very** dangerous as far as its opponents are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the article, Helen Grieco, executive director of the California chapter of the National Organization for Women (NOW) says, &quot;The fathers&#039; rights movement is both dishonest and dangerous.&quot;&quot;

I could not help but to laugh when I read from one of head NOW-sows that a MEN&#039;S GROUP is &quot;dishonest and dangerous&quot;.............

Feminazi groups like the NOW-sows are well-known liars, whether they are publishing their propaganda about rape, D.V. paternity fraud, or most aspects of their hate/fear campaigns against men.

And based on their destruction of the family, it&#039;s fairly difficult to find any other special interest groups as dangerous as they have been in the last few decades.

Robert Stevens, you are being entirely too optimistic that feminism will collapse anytime in the near future.   Remember the vote count the last time that VAWA was extended?   IMBRA?     Do you see any signs of Clinton being politically marginalized for her support of the feminazis?

Denis, good to see you posting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the article, Helen Grieco, executive director of the California chapter of the National Organization for Women (NOW) says, &#8220;The fathers&#8217; rights movement is both dishonest and dangerous.&#8221;"</p>
<p>I could not help but to laugh when I read from one of head NOW-sows that a MEN&#8217;S GROUP is &#8220;dishonest and dangerous&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Feminazi groups like the NOW-sows are well-known liars, whether they are publishing their propaganda about rape, D.V. paternity fraud, or most aspects of their hate/fear campaigns against men.</p>
<p>And based on their destruction of the family, it&#8217;s fairly difficult to find any other special interest groups as dangerous as they have been in the last few decades.</p>
<p>Robert Stevens, you are being entirely too optimistic that feminism will collapse anytime in the near future.   Remember the vote count the last time that VAWA was extended?   IMBRA?     Do you see any signs of Clinton being politically marginalized for her support of the feminazis?</p>
<p>Denis, good to see you posting!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Soon they will be out of business, like nazism and communism, an evil idea that will have it&#039;s day of judgement. I just hope once they are gone, people don&#039;t forget to quickly.&quot;

I don&#039;t think we are anywhere near the point of feminists being out of business. HRC is a radical feminist: anti-father, anti-male, anti-family. 

Her support amongst women is very high. They are either in agreement with HRC on her radical views or are ignorant of her radical views but hold the view that it is important that a woman-any woman-become President. In either case the women supporting HRC do not give a damn about the rights of men and fathers. HRC will make radical feminism vogue again amongst women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Soon they will be out of business, like nazism and communism, an evil idea that will have it&#8217;s day of judgement. I just hope once they are gone, people don&#8217;t forget to quickly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are anywhere near the point of feminists being out of business. HRC is a radical feminist: anti-father, anti-male, anti-family. </p>
<p>Her support amongst women is very high. They are either in agreement with HRC on her radical views or are ignorant of her radical views but hold the view that it is important that a woman-any woman-become President. In either case the women supporting HRC do not give a damn about the rights of men and fathers. HRC will make radical feminism vogue again amongst women.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to be a total idiot not to understand that anytime the NOW or any other avowed &quot;feminazi&quot; screams something is not fair, it is because they will lose money, power and control.  It is never about right and wrong or the best interests of the child or for that matter anyone interest  besides their own.  
The good news is, that most people are smart enough to discount and not believe the carefully crafted feminist lies.  More and more people are seeing the light and  are not supporting feminist  bull shit anymore.  They realize that fathers and men are being terribly mistreated and it is time for a change.  
The feminist in my mind were foolish to think that people would not get wise to them.  People may be naive and trusting, but they are not stupid.
The more the feminist spout hate and discord, the more they lose support.  Soon they will be out of business, like nazism and communism, an evil idea that  will have it&#039;s day of judgement.  I just hope once they are gone, people don&#039;t forget to quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be a total idiot not to understand that anytime the NOW or any other avowed &#8220;feminazi&#8221; screams something is not fair, it is because they will lose money, power and control.  It is never about right and wrong or the best interests of the child or for that matter anyone interest  besides their own.<br />
The good news is, that most people are smart enough to discount and not believe the carefully crafted feminist lies.  More and more people are seeing the light and  are not supporting feminist  bull shit anymore.  They realize that fathers and men are being terribly mistreated and it is time for a change.<br />
The feminist in my mind were foolish to think that people would not get wise to them.  People may be naive and trusting, but they are not stupid.<br />
The more the feminist spout hate and discord, the more they lose support.  Soon they will be out of business, like nazism and communism, an evil idea that  will have it&#8217;s day of judgement.  I just hope once they are gone, people don&#8217;t forget to quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Big shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are these the same people who were &quot;OUTRAGED!!!&quot; that a guy didn&#039;t want to pay child support to a woman who conceived while he was in Iraq and he wasn&#039;t here to respond to the support inquisition? And fought adamantly against excusing this victim of paternity fraud? Oh we&#039;re dangerous alright. Dangerous to lawyers incomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these the same people who were &#8220;OUTRAGED!!!&#8221; that a guy didn&#8217;t want to pay child support to a woman who conceived while he was in Iraq and he wasn&#8217;t here to respond to the support inquisition? And fought adamantly against excusing this victim of paternity fraud? Oh we&#8217;re dangerous alright. Dangerous to lawyers incomes.</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She views the rise of fathers&#039; rights organizations in the 1980s-and the accompanying increase in custody disputes as bargaining tools-as a direct response to &#039;the demand of the women&#039;s movement for greater child support, which ended up costing fathers more money.&#039;

One thing that blows this right out of the water.  Many men spend far more to try to get custody of their children then they would pay in child support and most of them would want full custody even if they know they will not GET a dime in child support (chances are they will not anyway) so it appears that since it cost so much to raise a child, these money hungry men are willing to PAY to get their kids and to pay for all of their expenses alone.  Still far more fathers with custody will assure the children still have a relationship with their mother, sometimes at great risk.  

Most dads want full custody to keep their kids safe from abuse so the money they spend doing it is well worth the price to them. IF these mothers were so concerned about the safty of the children and NOW was correct that fathers only want to keep abusing their children...WHY do they not feel the same way as do dads?   It is not about justice with feminist....it is about control and money

It is also my understanding that the less time DAD has with his kids...the more money the courts get too....again...follow the MONEY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She views the rise of fathers&#8217; rights organizations in the 1980s-and the accompanying increase in custody disputes as bargaining tools-as a direct response to &#8216;the demand of the women&#8217;s movement for greater child support, which ended up costing fathers more money.&#8217;</p>
<p>One thing that blows this right out of the water.  Many men spend far more to try to get custody of their children then they would pay in child support and most of them would want full custody even if they know they will not GET a dime in child support (chances are they will not anyway) so it appears that since it cost so much to raise a child, these money hungry men are willing to PAY to get their kids and to pay for all of their expenses alone.  Still far more fathers with custody will assure the children still have a relationship with their mother, sometimes at great risk.  </p>
<p>Most dads want full custody to keep their kids safe from abuse so the money they spend doing it is well worth the price to them. IF these mothers were so concerned about the safty of the children and NOW was correct that fathers only want to keep abusing their children&#8230;WHY do they not feel the same way as do dads?   It is not about justice with feminist&#8230;.it is about control and money</p>
<p>It is also my understanding that the less time DAD has with his kids&#8230;the more money the courts get too&#8230;.again&#8230;follow the MONEY!</p>
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