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	<title>Comments on: 93 Year Old American Men Teased, Arrested &amp; Persecuted by 23 Year Old American Women</title>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should have been...Now a BAKERS DOZEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should have been&#8230;Now a BAKERS DOZEN</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as if the 12 female only excuses to get away with crime is not a BAKERS DOZEN.  In reality it is most likely many more then that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as if the 12 female only excuses to get away with crime is not a BAKERS DOZEN.  In reality it is most likely many more then that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Now it appears that men having a low regard for their own worth and value are to be further punished]

In most cases of men visiting ugly and diseased whores, the estimation of low self worth on the part of the man is accurate. Basically, if a man pays for someone who is far below what he could easily get if he had some confidence...there is a problem.

Often that problem is laziness: in Germany, men visit prostitutes because they don&#039;t want to go through the process of dating someone new especially as their wife would be more likely to find out about an ongoing relationship than something that started and ended in half an hour.

But there is another factor in the hypothetical direct purchase of sex:

Everybody stands, more or less, on a hierarchy of *what they can get*.

Prostitution should be illegal if the prostitutes are on the lowest rung of the social ladder and their customers are men who could do better if they only had more confidence or were not so lazy or trying to quickly cheat on a wife.

However, what if all of America&#039;s upper middle class college coeds suddenly put themselves out on the open market? That would create an entirely new motive for the customers because now men would be buying what they probably would never have been able to get otherwise.

Then it would not necessarily be a case of &quot;low self esteem&quot; if some unhappily married men took advantage of the suddenly favorable market conditions.

I am at a beach resort right now, kind of like a Carnival Cruise, where there are tons of gorgeous women. After a few days of settling in, it seems that one highly intelligent and interesting woman over 30 likes me and will get my time in the remaining days that I am here. Some younger women seem disappointed, but still others who are wildly gorgeous, not only don&#039;t seem to notice that I seem to have found someone, but are now seen walking on the beach with musclebound studs.

Now...e ceterus paribas, if I was not really attracted to the woman I am spending time with and I really, really wanted to be with one of those 18 year old hotties walking with the musclebound dudes...then I would, theoretically, be open to paying $500 to divert their attention (theoretically).

I have mentioned that the hottest women will never work directly as prostitutes because the hottest women will want to pick and chose their customers. This is why strippers are much hotter looking than prostitutes and why the best looking available women simply wait innocently for rich guys to approach them and offer to pay for dates and vacations.

So, for me, if because of my looks (if I were 93 and my wife long dead), I was being totally shut out of all action at this resort and I was watching hundreds of gorgeous young women hook up with other guys...I would theoretically want to buy some action on the open market. But I would NEVER call an escort agency or go to actual whorehouses and official prostitutes like Spitzer&#039;s gal would still be a NO GO for me for two reasons:

1) Only ugly women work as the kind of prostitute who takes all customers. A call girl is likely to be the ugliest of all because she is willing to have sex with a man who is unseen. Even in the Antalya region of the Turkish Riviera, the socalled desperate Ukrainian women whores are all ugly chain smokers (there are no slaves as the BBC dishonestly reported recently).
2) Fear of disease. The study the other day found 1 in 4 normal teenage girls in America to have HPV or worse....prostitutes would probably have a worse statistical outlook.

I would want the same quality that I saw myself being shut out from at the resort. I would want what the musclebound dudes were getting.

So, if I were ugly or 93 and lonely, it would have less to do with my &quot;self esteem&quot; than my situation if I had a hypothetical willingness to pay one of the gorgeous young women at the resort $500 to hang around me and not the musclebound 22 year old man she&#039;s been getting to know.

And the &quot;transaction&quot; would probably not be a direct one (in Europe the women are not as direct as American women can be). What I would do is start chatting with the young pair and get across that, if I could only find a single woman, she would get dresses and jewelry and free trips everywhere else, etc. She might then dump the bore she is with. 

I differ from Marc Rudov in that I recognize that some men will pay to be with an American woman that, no matter how much confidence and conversational skill he had, he would because of his looks or age NEVER be able to get otherwise but greatly desires to have. 

Where Marc and I would agree is that we VOTERS must not allow ugly old men to buy their sex by selling our rights.

A few years ago I was on the beach in Florida and I tried an experiment with a girlfriend with me. We offered $20 to beautiful women on the beach to take photos for an Internet site. Most women accepted happily. 

I know that I could have then offered more money for more things as they felt relaxed with me and my girlfriend. One young woman took us to lunch (on my dime) and basically begged for us to help her prolong her vacation for which she would do anything we wanted with us within reason. We refused politely.

I tried the same experiment in Germany but it would not work there because German women are not money oriented like Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Now it appears that men having a low regard for their own worth and value are to be further punished]</p>
<p>In most cases of men visiting ugly and diseased whores, the estimation of low self worth on the part of the man is accurate. Basically, if a man pays for someone who is far below what he could easily get if he had some confidence&#8230;there is a problem.</p>
<p>Often that problem is laziness: in Germany, men visit prostitutes because they don&#8217;t want to go through the process of dating someone new especially as their wife would be more likely to find out about an ongoing relationship than something that started and ended in half an hour.</p>
<p>But there is another factor in the hypothetical direct purchase of sex:</p>
<p>Everybody stands, more or less, on a hierarchy of *what they can get*.</p>
<p>Prostitution should be illegal if the prostitutes are on the lowest rung of the social ladder and their customers are men who could do better if they only had more confidence or were not so lazy or trying to quickly cheat on a wife.</p>
<p>However, what if all of America&#8217;s upper middle class college coeds suddenly put themselves out on the open market? That would create an entirely new motive for the customers because now men would be buying what they probably would never have been able to get otherwise.</p>
<p>Then it would not necessarily be a case of &#8220;low self esteem&#8221; if some unhappily married men took advantage of the suddenly favorable market conditions.</p>
<p>I am at a beach resort right now, kind of like a Carnival Cruise, where there are tons of gorgeous women. After a few days of settling in, it seems that one highly intelligent and interesting woman over 30 likes me and will get my time in the remaining days that I am here. Some younger women seem disappointed, but still others who are wildly gorgeous, not only don&#8217;t seem to notice that I seem to have found someone, but are now seen walking on the beach with musclebound studs.</p>
<p>Now&#8230;e ceterus paribas, if I was not really attracted to the woman I am spending time with and I really, really wanted to be with one of those 18 year old hotties walking with the musclebound dudes&#8230;then I would, theoretically, be open to paying $500 to divert their attention (theoretically).</p>
<p>I have mentioned that the hottest women will never work directly as prostitutes because the hottest women will want to pick and chose their customers. This is why strippers are much hotter looking than prostitutes and why the best looking available women simply wait innocently for rich guys to approach them and offer to pay for dates and vacations.</p>
<p>So, for me, if because of my looks (if I were 93 and my wife long dead), I was being totally shut out of all action at this resort and I was watching hundreds of gorgeous young women hook up with other guys&#8230;I would theoretically want to buy some action on the open market. But I would NEVER call an escort agency or go to actual whorehouses and official prostitutes like Spitzer&#8217;s gal would still be a NO GO for me for two reasons:</p>
<p>1) Only ugly women work as the kind of prostitute who takes all customers. A call girl is likely to be the ugliest of all because she is willing to have sex with a man who is unseen. Even in the Antalya region of the Turkish Riviera, the socalled desperate Ukrainian women whores are all ugly chain smokers (there are no slaves as the BBC dishonestly reported recently).<br />
2) Fear of disease. The study the other day found 1 in 4 normal teenage girls in America to have HPV or worse&#8230;.prostitutes would probably have a worse statistical outlook.</p>
<p>I would want the same quality that I saw myself being shut out from at the resort. I would want what the musclebound dudes were getting.</p>
<p>So, if I were ugly or 93 and lonely, it would have less to do with my &#8220;self esteem&#8221; than my situation if I had a hypothetical willingness to pay one of the gorgeous young women at the resort $500 to hang around me and not the musclebound 22 year old man she&#8217;s been getting to know.</p>
<p>And the &#8220;transaction&#8221; would probably not be a direct one (in Europe the women are not as direct as American women can be). What I would do is start chatting with the young pair and get across that, if I could only find a single woman, she would get dresses and jewelry and free trips everywhere else, etc. She might then dump the bore she is with. </p>
<p>I differ from Marc Rudov in that I recognize that some men will pay to be with an American woman that, no matter how much confidence and conversational skill he had, he would because of his looks or age NEVER be able to get otherwise but greatly desires to have. </p>
<p>Where Marc and I would agree is that we VOTERS must not allow ugly old men to buy their sex by selling our rights.</p>
<p>A few years ago I was on the beach in Florida and I tried an experiment with a girlfriend with me. We offered $20 to beautiful women on the beach to take photos for an Internet site. Most women accepted happily. </p>
<p>I know that I could have then offered more money for more things as they felt relaxed with me and my girlfriend. One young woman took us to lunch (on my dime) and basically begged for us to help her prolong her vacation for which she would do anything we wanted with us within reason. We refused politely.</p>
<p>I tried the same experiment in Germany but it would not work there because German women are not money oriented like Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if possible have a friendly attorney with you to argue with the police and prosecutor.</description>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get three men together, make a citizens arrest, have the stooge arrested, and demand prosecution.  Be sure to call the media so the cameras are rolling when you arrest the person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get three men together, make a citizens arrest, have the stooge arrested, and demand prosecution.  Be sure to call the media so the cameras are rolling when you arrest the person.</p>
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		<title>By: anti armchair generals</title>
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		<dc:creator>anti armchair generals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Peterson,
What a contrast between Florida and Nevada laws? Could not the 93 year old men if Florida be senile or suffering from Alzheimers disease. So much money is spent on female decoy officers, while crime is high in Florida
I don&#039;t no if this quote is acurate, but Nevada rural counties use reverse technique.
&quot;Nevada is the only state in the U.S. where houses of ill repute are a legitimate business. Prostitutes are licensed. Owners pay property taxes, and county sheriffs nab customers who leave without paying. Las Vegas, by state law, is brothel-free, but in rural Nevada sin is alive if not thriving.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Peterson,<br />
What a contrast between Florida and Nevada laws? Could not the 93 year old men if Florida be senile or suffering from Alzheimers disease. So much money is spent on female decoy officers, while crime is high in Florida<br />
I don&#8217;t no if this quote is acurate, but Nevada rural counties use reverse technique.<br />
&#8220;Nevada is the only state in the U.S. where houses of ill repute are a legitimate business. Prostitutes are licensed. Owners pay property taxes, and county sheriffs nab customers who leave without paying. Las Vegas, by state law, is brothel-free, but in rural Nevada sin is alive if not thriving.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 23 y/o policewoman who entraps a 93 y/o man for a sexual offence, using her sexual appeal to do so, is corrupt. Morally corrupt. 

I do not agree with prostitution nor the excuses offered for its existence. I do accept its universality and longevity as a human activity but neither are sufficient to justify continuing it. Nor do I accept the hormonal excuses for men paying for sex or agreeing to pay for it. The entire edifice of prostitution is built upon the concept of male low self esteem and female faux self esteem. Both are driven by women. 

Now it appears that men having a low regard for their own worth and value are to be further punished by deliberately inciting its evinced behaviours.

The tactical responses suggested (pepper spray, bargaining) can be added to until the cows come home, swinging their udders &#039;in ya face&#039;. How about reversing the bargaining? If she wants $20 for a &#039;touch up&#039;, then MY price for the privilege of my touch is $30. She suggests $150 for a f*ck, well MY price is $250. 

Marriage. Let&#039;s get back to some compensation for taking on the daily punishment of a home-harpy. She can put a deposit of $100,000 down at engagement (and pay the friggin&#039; wedding costs) and pay an annual $50k for a thrice-weekly f*ck. I will give discounts for quickies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 23 y/o policewoman who entraps a 93 y/o man for a sexual offence, using her sexual appeal to do so, is corrupt. Morally corrupt. </p>
<p>I do not agree with prostitution nor the excuses offered for its existence. I do accept its universality and longevity as a human activity but neither are sufficient to justify continuing it. Nor do I accept the hormonal excuses for men paying for sex or agreeing to pay for it. The entire edifice of prostitution is built upon the concept of male low self esteem and female faux self esteem. Both are driven by women. </p>
<p>Now it appears that men having a low regard for their own worth and value are to be further punished by deliberately inciting its evinced behaviours.</p>
<p>The tactical responses suggested (pepper spray, bargaining) can be added to until the cows come home, swinging their udders &#8216;in ya face&#8217;. How about reversing the bargaining? If she wants $20 for a &#8216;touch up&#8217;, then MY price for the privilege of my touch is $30. She suggests $150 for a f*ck, well MY price is $250. </p>
<p>Marriage. Let&#8217;s get back to some compensation for taking on the daily punishment of a home-harpy. She can put a deposit of $100,000 down at engagement (and pay the friggin&#8217; wedding costs) and pay an annual $50k for a thrice-weekly f*ck. I will give discounts for quickies.</p>
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		<title>By: tonysprout</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonysprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The debate over the bill comes amid broader questions over how many victims are trafficked into the United States. The government estimated in 1999 that about 50,000 slaves were arriving in the country every year. That estimate was revised downward in 2004 to 14,500 to 17,500 a year. Yet since 2000, and despite 42 Justice Department task forces and more than $150 million in federal dollars to find them, about 1,400 people have been certified as human trafficking victims in this country, a tiny fraction of the original estimates.&quot;

Washington Post Nov 29, 07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802282.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The debate over the bill comes amid broader questions over how many victims are trafficked into the United States. The government estimated in 1999 that about 50,000 slaves were arriving in the country every year. That estimate was revised downward in 2004 to 14,500 to 17,500 a year. Yet since 2000, and despite 42 Justice Department task forces and more than $150 million in federal dollars to find them, about 1,400 people have been certified as human trafficking victims in this country, a tiny fraction of the original estimates.&#8221;</p>
<p>Washington Post Nov 29, 07<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802282.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802282.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One is better of just being single. Dating and marriage just isn&#039;t worth it anymore. And with so many other things to keep a guy occupied computers, etc. Why bother with girls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One is better of just being single. Dating and marriage just isn&#8217;t worth it anymore. And with so many other things to keep a guy occupied computers, etc. Why bother with girls?</p>
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		<title>By: jackal1994</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackal1994</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carry pepper spray and spray the &quot;prostitute&quot; in the face--ESPECIALLY if you think she&#039;s a plain-clothes cop.

You can always say that you thought you were being targeted by these prostitutes who use their pimps to roll and murder their Johns.

When these undercover (usually bull-dyke) cop-prostitutes guess WRONG about a guy being interested if they had consequences (instead of the target saying &quot;no thanks&quot; and moving on) maybe they would start to reconsider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carry pepper spray and spray the &#8220;prostitute&#8221; in the face&#8211;ESPECIALLY if you think she&#8217;s a plain-clothes cop.</p>
<p>You can always say that you thought you were being targeted by these prostitutes who use their pimps to roll and murder their Johns.</p>
<p>When these undercover (usually bull-dyke) cop-prostitutes guess WRONG about a guy being interested if they had consequences (instead of the target saying &#8220;no thanks&#8221; and moving on) maybe they would start to reconsider.</p>
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