It is time for MRAs to move forward
by Angry Harry
MRAs (Men’s Rights Activists) need now to prepare for the horrors that are in store for them. Over the next two years or so they are going to see their countries continue to decline both economically and socially, and they are very likely to find themselves also having to deal with an increased threat of terrorism. The prospect of deadly viruses being unleashed being particularly high in terms of probability. Feminism and political correctness are going to exacerbate all these problems.
I will not waste your time here listing the numerous ways in which they will do this, because I know that most of you are already well aware of how, and through what mechanisms, these two ideologies exert their powerful malign forces. In other words, you do not need any further lessons from me.
Indeed, you all know that these two ideologies are bound to destroy completely our countries and our cultures some day, and that this will probably arise through a process of deterioration rather than catastrophe – assuming, of course, that we can avoid an attack by deadly viruses.
Well, in my view, we are now very close indeed to meltdown, but, more importantly, the public is beginning to sense this too. Those with insight and intelligence, many of who will sit in powerful positions, will also clearly be aware of the doom that is impending unless some strong action is taken.
And, in my view, MRAs must now capitalise on this perfectly valid growing sense of doom by pointing out to whomsoever will listen to them that the destruction of feminism and political correctness could help considerably to alleviate the situation.
In other words, I would like to see MRAs focusing less on the outrages that men so often have to endure (family courts, misandry in advertising etc) and more on stirring up fear in the public about the impending awfulness that is going to arise unless we do something about these ideologies.
Here is just one example of what I mean.
MRAs are well aware of just how outrageous are our family courts, and they protest very strongly about the appalling way in which men are being treated by them.
Well, what I am suggesting is this.
Instead of focusing strongly on how outrageous are these courts, it is probably now better for MRAs to start pointing out more strongly to the world that the actions of these courts are going to make our societies much more unpleasant; particularly for women.
When times are good, people will not respond to such a message. But when times are bad – which they are now – such a message is very, very powerful.
Let me put this same point across more crudely.
Very few people ‘out there’ care about the injustices that men face – which is one of the main reasons that the MM has been so slow to grow – but millions of people – women included – will be terrified by what the future has in store for them if MRAs can implant the right connections in their minds.
And the portentous current situation (economically, socially etc) will make their minds very receptive indeed to such connections.
In other words, it is time to change tactics and put the fear of G into them.
Furthermore, the intellectual debate within the MM needs to move on – for the old timers in particular.
There are two main reasons for this.
Firstly, experienced MRAs will already be very knowledgeable about the structures and dynamics of those forces and systems that are the causes of men’s problems; and they must be bored to death with having to keep regurgitating their ideas in different forms simply in order to keep their audiences interested.
And so, moving on to explore the horrors that await the masses unless feminism and political correctness are kicked into the backwaters of history will help to prevent their interest and their enthusiasm from flagging any further, and it will also open up new intellectual areas of interest to them that might, in fact, be quite fun to explore – particularly given the new technologies that seem to be appearing on the horizon.
As just one rather lurid example of this, I was reading an article the other day that explored the development of lifelike female robots to cater for … well, I shall stop there.
Secondly, experienced MRAs already have at their fingertips – either in their heads or somewhere online – all the evidence and arguments that they need for their various battles, and there does not seem to be much point in spending too much time continuing to try to add to this particular body of knowledge.
The future, however, is unknown. And so getting ahead when it comes to exploring this future in terms of the gender relations that might arise would likely attract a whole new audience.
In conclusion, therefore, I think that it is time for MRAs to move forward, and that they should try to spend less time focusing on men’s grievances (which nobody cares about) and more time on the added societal destruction (which many people will care about) that will likely take place if feminism and political correctness are not abandoned.
Clearly, this cannot be done overnight. Both our knowledge-base and our mindsets will take some time to evolve and to adapt. Indeed, it has taken some years for the MM even to become significantly aware of the well-documented connections between feminism and political correctness and Marxism/communism. (Indeed, it took about two whole years of persistent email spamming to my mailbox by other MRAs to get these connections implanted into my thick, narrow-minded skull.)
But the time is ripe.
We have a large number of intelligent, active MRAs among us. These MRAs have mastered the internet. Their writing and communication skills have improved enormously. There is now a definite sense of cohesion and purpose within the MRA community. And there is fear out there.
Let us now, therefore, explain to the world what serious troubles lie ahead unless, that is, people wake up to the fact that if they continue to support policies and rhetoric that alienate and aggravate their own men, they will do so only at their own peril.
Finally, I would like to thank Mike LaSalle for all the work that he has done over the years and I want you also to know that MND is read by many Brits. The number of times that I have come across British MRAs talking about MND or “that American site” is countless.
I notice, however, that this month’s donations to MND do not look very good. This alarms me, because I can assure you that if MND ever goes down the tube then the whole movement will suffer a very significant setback.
So, please, please, please do dip into those dusty wallets of yours and get donating. We can change this rotten world and transform it into a completely different experience for men. But the longer that this takes, the more years will you spend of your very limited life on this planet being poisoned.
So, if you come regularly to MND and enjoy all the goodies then please do ensure that you give something back.
Financial contributions – even small ones – can go a very long way indeed towards helping Mike (and, hence, others) to engage in battle with our mutual enemies – of which, regretfully, there are very many.
-AH
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June 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Go with RUSSIAN and FSU Women instead guys..
Harry You have some valid points here in terms of a strategy for sounding the alarm but I think this is only one pillar and there needs to be at least another pillar in place to hold up the ceiling..
That other pillar in my mind is for us Men to BOYCOTT Western Women completely and match up with women from other non-feminized and more traditionally feminine nations and regions such as Eastern Europe and the FSU.
If you want to put the Fear of GOD into them..
Then take away their choice for a future partner and children by default and tell them that the choices they offer are not worth it and have too high of a liability.
This is what will change things faster in my mind..
The Feminized Women of the West need to wake up and say holy cr*p.. we’ve really screwed up..
And the only way this will happen is if they realize that they are going to wake up alone indefinetely..
As you know this is something that I’ve been advocating for a long time now..
And if anyone wants to read more about it they can visit my blog “russian women the real truth”.
Thanks to all of you..
GL
June 17th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
I have a question to everyone individually:
What exactly would America look like if you got the changes in law and in society that you want for men?
Not a list of what is wrong now, but rather the affirmative case:
In the America that you seek, what would be the good circumstances in law, in courts, and in the day to day lives of men in general and fathers in specific?
June 17th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Gordon friggin’ Bennett. As the call goes out to ‘man the lifeboats’, the very first comment on this thread is ‘What’s a lifeboat?’
If I were in my depressed mode I would throw my hands up am cry at the lack of impact we have had to date.
Instead here’s Clough, the MRA’s own prophet.
Say not the Struggle Naught availeth
By Arthur Hugh Clough
1819-1861
________________________________________
SAY not the struggle naught availeth,
The labour and the wounds are vain,
The enemy faints not, nor faileth,
And as things have been they remain.
If hopes were dupes, fears may be liars;
It may be, in yon smoke conceal’d,
Your comrades chase e’en now the fliers,
And, but for you, possess the field.
For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the Main.
And not by eastern windows only,
When daylight comes, comes in the light;
In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly!
But westward, look, the land is bright!
June 17th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
With all due respect to FathersHaveNaturalRights, when I say “Marriage Strike”, I really mean it with an AW/WW. I would marry a foreign women but she would have to really prove to me that she is worthy. No guarantees I know. But you need to understand that getting married and then standing and fighting for mens rights is NOT going to work. The women and manginas own the courts. If the marriage rates plummet, THAT statistic will open eyes because you are taking the livelihood away from EVERYONE who benefits from marriage and divorce. From the women to the lawyers, to the wedding hall, etc. I’m not saying every single man shouldn’t marry. I am saying that if you really need to get married and have kids then do it with a foreigner, maybe in her home country. But if the younger generation of men didnt get married until their 40’s then there will be a plummet in marriages over the next 20 years and THAT will get big media attention. Then we can also state our case and the reasons why on the TV, radio, newspaper and internet.
June 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am
I disagree that a marriage strike is not the way to go. The current (so called) marriage strike is the only male event that women have noticed in the past 30 years that I can recall. The problem is that it is really more of a unwitting consequence of bad female behavior rather than a conscious effort to protest by men. Men just got tired of the crap, but they haven’t tried to leverage that into anything. And it is powerful.
I submit that MRAs could try to leverage a marriage strike with a procreation strike to trade for something in return, rather that just waste two of the most powerful tools they have with women. Marriage and child bearing.
For instance if men could agree to simply refuse to get married until VAWA is repealed and refuse to have children until Presumtive Joint Custody law is the norm in every state they might be able to gain something in return for what they’re already doing anyway.
The fact is that almost all women are feminist because it pays them to be. They may not be NOW feminist, but relatively few stand up and say NOW doesn’t speak for me either. If men were to follow through with their threat it wouldn’t take long for the biological clocks to begin kicking in. Once women begin to realize that they’re not going to have the day they’ve dreamed of since they were children where all eyes are on them, they may begin to listen to what men are saying. I guarantee that once they realize that men won’t father a child for them they’ll begin to listen.
However, I think the likelyhood of anything like that happening is slim. I have to say that if there is an MM it’s in it’s infancy.
June 15th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
“There are also those who say “run away and hide from itâ€, per those advocating the patently ridiculous so-called ‘marriage strike’.”
There he goes again. Go ahead and characterize it any way you want.
Your posting here does not equate to fighting. It accomplishes nothing.
The marriage strike is a significant tool. Never before has America seen such a dramatic decline in marriage. Married couples with children who are the same biological mother and father make up less than 25% of all households. Single people and “never married’s” are over 50% of all households. Men in large numbers are avoiding it altogether. Looking at each decade of life and we see men large percentages of men in their 20s and 30s with no intention of marrying, and growing percentages in their 40s and beyond who make up the “never married’s”. These men are not running away and hiding-they are preserving their liberty. And the very act of millions of men acting in their own self-interests is giving a large swathe of the female population NO-HOPE of ever marrying. If you run into a burning building you should expect to get burned. You can call us the Run and Hide crowd if you want. We call your type The Idiots.
The beauty of this is that we don’t have to actively fight anything-not the government who is aligned against men (thanks to the aggressiveness of radical feminists and the incredible passivity of men/fathers, both past and present)and not the women.
Go ahead FathersHaveNaturalRights-I encourage you to fight and show that you are this strong can-do man-prove to me that you can go up against the government. You guys all talk big-and have accomplished nothing-NOTHING.
As you said (and I agree):
“And my way is the one that has not been done in the last 40 years. It is the change that needs to happen. With no doubt.”
We are the only ones accomplishing anything significant.
The women are getting the message too.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
With regards to the modern misandry of the feminist matriarchy, there are those who say, “shut up and take it”.
There are also those who say “run away and hide from it”, per those advocating the patently ridiculous so-called ‘marriage strike’.
Personally, I say, “Stand up, speak up, and fight the injustice indefatigably.”
And yes, that, my prescription, is exactly what real men do. Saying so isn’t shaming at all and it is fallacious to mislabel it with that word.
What it is is encouraging people to proceed down the best possible path.
And my way is the one that has not been done in the last 40 years. It is the change that needs to happen. With no doubt.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
The “marriage strike” is a small but important part of restoring the family. Men must say no, I’m not going to be pillaged and plundered just for being dumb enough to marry while male simply because my type of genitalia makes me unworthy of basic civil liberties.
On the other hand, that leaves millions of children out in the cold, suffering abuse and dying so that lawyers can get the money they so badly want, and feminists feel better about themselves for satiating their hate.
My view is if a lawyer makes a million dollars and ten feminists feel better about themselves for a week, it’s not worth even one child dying over. Yes, this is an unpopular view as laws are “practiced” today, but most people who aren’t part of the corruption and exploitation of children would agree with me. We just need to take our governments back, away from the special interest groups who prefer abused, molested, neglected, and dead children.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
“You win by fighting, and instituting protection for your house, declaring your right to preserve, protect and defend your house, and refusing to compromise your life because feminism is bent on cheapening specific parts of it.”
And you father’s have shown us men for the last 40+ years just how effective your “fighting” has been.
The truth is there has been no effective fighting.
And the shaming tactics, and your attempts to portray yourself as “the man” falls on many deaf ears as well. We have all been listening to such talk for decades, e.g.,listening to women insult, denigrate, and emasculate men, along with the women AND men from religious right and other chivalrists, as well as from the feminized liberal manginas who are all no different. Get in line behind the rest of them.
The marriage strike is the only effective weapon today-it is causing women to re-think some of the above attitudes they have been displaying for decades-and is putting the power back into the hands of men as individuals. Collectively-one day-we will be a force to be reckoned with.
In the mean time, I’ll be watching to see just how effective your “fighting” will be.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Any “marriage strike” is a bad idea. Simply put, it is running away, not just from the joys of raising a family, but from actively standing shoulder to shoulder with men who are already married or plan to be.
Running away and hiding is a really poor answer. So, the feminist matriarchy treats fatherhood like garbage and so you will run from raising a family?
In that case, you have just let the feminist matriarchy define your life for you, and you’ve gotten out of the way so they can trash fathers and husbands even more.
The manly thing to do is to be a husband and a father and acknowledge how screwed up the system is and fight it tooth and nail. To analogize, if someone is throwing bricks at your house, you don’t win by saying, “Well, I won’t have a house then!”
NO.
You win by fighting, and instituting protection for your house, declaring your right to preserve, protect and defend your house, and refusing to compromise your life because feminism is bent on cheapening specific parts of it.
June 15th, 2008 at 10:07 am
The marriage strike is important. Cut off sperm, money and the ability of women to use the court system to RAPE men and essentially you cut the head of a snake.
Also we need 1000 Marc Rudov’s blitzing the TV and radio media all over the western world. Women need to hear men’s grievances in this way because the internet alone is not going to cut it.
May 18th, 2008 at 9:53 am
FathersHaveNaturalRights said,
“Pre-marital contracts, “pre-nupsâ€, don’t reverse every element of discrimination against men, but they are one of the most necessary tools for men to protect their own interests.”
“Pre-marital contracts, “pre-nups†are pretty much worthless for two main reasons.
First, they have a time limit of usually 10 years, after which they are null and void.
Second, nothing in a pre-nup can be against a social norm. So if you put in there no child support it won’t hold.
May 17th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Pre-marital contracts, “pre-nups”, don’t reverse every element of discrimination against men, but they are one of the most necessary tools for men to protect their own interests.
Some reject such tools on the apparent basis that no one tool accomplishes everything.
Really though, men need to embrace every constructive tool available to them, and pre-marital contracts are a big one. Just google “premarital contract” or “prenuptial agreement” to get the forms. It can be done inexpensively. And it is an amazing force of personal protection.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Pre-nups don’t stop false abuse accusations.
May 17th, 2008 at 9:29 am
> Second, a handful of men opting out of long-term stable relationships
> and parenthood doesn’t help civilization regain it’s footing.
Perhaps not, but it’s not just a “handful” of men. The numbers are significant: perhaps a quarter or a third of men in what would otherwise be their prime marrying years, according to one recent reputable academic survey/study. Recall that only about a quarter of the population has a college diploma.
What MRA’s need to communicate to the average woman-on-the-street in language that matters to her and gets to her where she lives is that the marriage strikers are not just a random sample of men, but rather are made up predominantly of those men which stand to lose the most should things end up before a family law judge. These just happen to be the men who have the most to offer by way of education, decent jobs, stable lifestyles, savings accounts, etc.
One doesn’t have to spend much time on any single’s/dating site to see lots of women’s headlines reading “Where Are All the Good Men?” or “Are There Any Good Ones Left?” The answer of course is that there are, but they’ve dropped out of the dating/mating scene (making them invisible to women) because the risk/reward situation simply doesn’t make it a worthwhile proposition. So women are left with the low-status guys who have nothing or little, and therefore risk nothing or little.
Lots of women will then counter with two standard items to make this line of argument go away: 1) choosing correctly; 2) pre-nups.
#1 obviously blames the victim and makes it seems as though when a guy gets royally screwed in a divorce it was somehow his fault, that there are ‘right’ women and ‘wrong’ women, and that by choosing the latter he just got what he deserved. This can lead to a discussion of Paul McCartney and Heather Mills, women changing from right to wrong, etc.
#2… Lot’s of women are under the impression that any problems men have with regard to marriage are entirely solved with a pre-nup. I think this is best handled by pointing out how what many men (and women) would consider to be the principle asset of a marriage, namely the children the two have together, can’t be divvied up in advance in a pre-nup (since they don’t exist at the time the pre-nup was made). And that it’s the children, whose custody is awarded to the woman 85%-90% of the time, is what’s used as leverage to make divorce a financial hell for so many men. People are fond of saying marriage is a “contract”, but you really can’t make it up the way you want to and expect the state to enforce said contract; quite the contrary, the family law judge can throw out a pre-nup on pretty much a whim.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:51 am
I cordially disagree with the premise of a “marriage strike”.
First, as long as men want families, they will have to face societal treatment of fathers.
Second, a handful of men opting out of long-term stable relationships and parenthood doesn’t help civilization regain it’s footing.
Instead of opting out of the things that give men a reason to believe in, care about, and work for the future, men should be fighting to make opting in to things like marriage and fatherhood a more stable preposition, as opposed to a set of things that can be stripped from them by family courts.
If someone is poised to steal your home, you don’t say “Fine, I’ll live without a home then”… rather, you say, “I will have my home and find ways to keep you from taking it from me.”
May 13th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Another thing that men can do is mix a little sugar in with the medicine, which is what the feminists do. For example, when discussing false rape accusations, we can always say things like, “And this is terrible, because false accusations hurt the real rape victims.” When discussing child support, we can frame it as an equality issue: “True equality demands that men and women share equal benefits and responsibilities.”
Even if we don’t support absolute equality between men and women– and God knows the feminists don’t!– the Mary Poppins approach can get a foot in the door in certain situations where a more blunt approach would get it chopped off.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
lieweary,
I like what you suggest men should be doing. But to parahprase late-President Reagan “It’s tough to plan how to drain a swamp when you’re up to your keister in alligators”.I have been blacklisted from local paper. AP reporter who i had known for some 25 years told me during last phone conversation,”Don’t call me anymore”.
E-mails to reporters and editors are sent to cyberspace and phone calls are ended tersely. Still, I urge others to follow your suggestion, until they too are burned.
As to Walter Scneiders comments, during my some 30 years I have met many making suggestions, but when the time comes to put words into action, they vanish like national sunshine patriots and weekend warriors, only to go back to their armchairs to pontificate.