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	<title>Comments on: Message to Avon Sales Reps: Why Marketing Feminist Ideology is a Bad Strategy</title>
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		<title>By: daveinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the first place i didn&#039;t say foreign women would use these stupid  laws against me, i said that now they could. however, i will continue my efforts overseas.

secondly, being nicey nicey isn&#039;t what needs to be done w/ western women. they need a good dose of reality. catering to them got us into this mess. when hard times come it&#039;s good to have a strong partner, and those times could be knocking on the door just any day. 

my whole point is that as an average american guy, who also served his country, i should be entitled to more than screwed up laws telling me who i can and can&#039;t date, automatically assuming i am a criminal and typically treating all men looking to date foreign women like something you scrape off your shoe. and having now experienced this attitude first hand, no i wouldn&#039;t marry an amerikan privileged princess, ever. let me take my name out of the hat ladies. i won&#039;t be treated like garbage, just because i am a male. and it looks like i am just the tip of the iceburg.

if this type law is the best amerikan legislators can do these days, because they are afraid to make the women mad, then i have to agree w/ our enemies that our days are numbered. these type laws are disgusting. if these women at this mediterranean resort are the result of the west&#039;s hatred of men, then these women are just getting what they deserve, no husbands. what can they do, make more stupid laws forcing men to marry? wouldn&#039;t doubt it anymore.

and i do think i remember hearing Rodov mention imbra... once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the first place i didn&#8217;t say foreign women would use these stupid  laws against me, i said that now they could. however, i will continue my efforts overseas.</p>
<p>secondly, being nicey nicey isn&#8217;t what needs to be done w/ western women. they need a good dose of reality. catering to them got us into this mess. when hard times come it&#8217;s good to have a strong partner, and those times could be knocking on the door just any day. </p>
<p>my whole point is that as an average american guy, who also served his country, i should be entitled to more than screwed up laws telling me who i can and can&#8217;t date, automatically assuming i am a criminal and typically treating all men looking to date foreign women like something you scrape off your shoe. and having now experienced this attitude first hand, no i wouldn&#8217;t marry an amerikan privileged princess, ever. let me take my name out of the hat ladies. i won&#8217;t be treated like garbage, just because i am a male. and it looks like i am just the tip of the iceburg.</p>
<p>if this type law is the best amerikan legislators can do these days, because they are afraid to make the women mad, then i have to agree w/ our enemies that our days are numbered. these type laws are disgusting. if these women at this mediterranean resort are the result of the west&#8217;s hatred of men, then these women are just getting what they deserve, no husbands. what can they do, make more stupid laws forcing men to marry? wouldn&#8217;t doubt it anymore.</p>
<p>and i do think i remember hearing Rodov mention imbra&#8230; once.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys: Consider that Avon sales reps will visit here because of Google searches. Please structure your replies to account for the fact that these will largely be American women new to this subject of men&#039;s rights. Let&#039;s not insult them. 

Also, let&#039;s remember that it is insane to marry a foreigner whom you haven&#039;t been visiting in person several times for at least a year or more. The above comment seemed to say that the women who were writing to him were sincere but then said that it was not worth it because they would later claim abuse just to get citizenship. Which is it? The horror of VAWA is that it encourages foreign women to try to fool American men. The minefield is much more treacherous now so, if you can&#039;t tell the difference between a scammer and a great woman...it is best to stay away from such Internet dating.

Because I absolutely love dating American women, I don&#039;t go down the road of saying that the men who date foreigners are doing so exclusively or because they do not like American women. It hurts the anti-IMBRA cause to say to American women &quot;leave us alone because we don&#039;t like you&quot;.

When you think about what I just said, however, the really infuriating aspect of IMBRA hits you like a ton of bricks: We are at the mercy of American women politicians and female chiefs of staff (like Jill Hazelton of the McCain campaign). We may have to rely on Ruth Bader-Ginsburg in the Supreme Court to save us. Therefore, we have to watch our P&#039;s and Q&#039;s in arguing our rights were violated by IMBRA.

And that is disgusting. How did we allow that to happen?

Where did the patriarchy run away to so fast? Why is the Old Boys Network smashed?

Who really controls the media and why are they against men now, so much that we cannot even get a decent debate going?

Is Marc Rudov correct when he says that he has to go very slowly in terms of talking about actual legislation on Fox News (Marc has not and apparently will not mention IMBRA on television)?

Human rights are human rights and it is not the least bit funny that white heterosexual male rights are now considered so lightly and ignored by the media.

Just last night there was a big Reuters media frenzy about the 9th Circuit Appeals Court decision that Roommates.com cannot ask if someone is straight or gay! The court said you could not ask such a question to do business with someone.

That was newsworthy, but IMBRA is 1000 times more newsworthy. IMBRA forces a man to be background checked and reveal his marital status and every state he ever lived in.

The media hypes the Roommates issue because it deals with gay rights which are sancrosanct.

The media has proven itself to be completely against mentioning IMBRA unless to praise it quickly as &quot;disclosing the backgrounds of potential husbands&quot;.

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Now regarding the &quot;upcoming drought&quot; for Amerikan and Brit women:

I am at a Mediterranean resort now and I am shocked by the number of single women in their 40s who come to the Mediterranean in a desperate attempt to finally find a man. These are the people who promote legislation like IMBRA to block the younger competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys: Consider that Avon sales reps will visit here because of Google searches. Please structure your replies to account for the fact that these will largely be American women new to this subject of men&#8217;s rights. Let&#8217;s not insult them. </p>
<p>Also, let&#8217;s remember that it is insane to marry a foreigner whom you haven&#8217;t been visiting in person several times for at least a year or more. The above comment seemed to say that the women who were writing to him were sincere but then said that it was not worth it because they would later claim abuse just to get citizenship. Which is it? The horror of VAWA is that it encourages foreign women to try to fool American men. The minefield is much more treacherous now so, if you can&#8217;t tell the difference between a scammer and a great woman&#8230;it is best to stay away from such Internet dating.</p>
<p>Because I absolutely love dating American women, I don&#8217;t go down the road of saying that the men who date foreigners are doing so exclusively or because they do not like American women. It hurts the anti-IMBRA cause to say to American women &#8220;leave us alone because we don&#8217;t like you&#8221;.</p>
<p>When you think about what I just said, however, the really infuriating aspect of IMBRA hits you like a ton of bricks: We are at the mercy of American women politicians and female chiefs of staff (like Jill Hazelton of the McCain campaign). We may have to rely on Ruth Bader-Ginsburg in the Supreme Court to save us. Therefore, we have to watch our P&#8217;s and Q&#8217;s in arguing our rights were violated by IMBRA.</p>
<p>And that is disgusting. How did we allow that to happen?</p>
<p>Where did the patriarchy run away to so fast? Why is the Old Boys Network smashed?</p>
<p>Who really controls the media and why are they against men now, so much that we cannot even get a decent debate going?</p>
<p>Is Marc Rudov correct when he says that he has to go very slowly in terms of talking about actual legislation on Fox News (Marc has not and apparently will not mention IMBRA on television)?</p>
<p>Human rights are human rights and it is not the least bit funny that white heterosexual male rights are now considered so lightly and ignored by the media.</p>
<p>Just last night there was a big Reuters media frenzy about the 9th Circuit Appeals Court decision that Roommates.com cannot ask if someone is straight or gay! The court said you could not ask such a question to do business with someone.</p>
<p>That was newsworthy, but IMBRA is 1000 times more newsworthy. IMBRA forces a man to be background checked and reveal his marital status and every state he ever lived in.</p>
<p>The media hypes the Roommates issue because it deals with gay rights which are sancrosanct.</p>
<p>The media has proven itself to be completely against mentioning IMBRA unless to praise it quickly as &#8220;disclosing the backgrounds of potential husbands&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Now regarding the &#8220;upcoming drought&#8221; for Amerikan and Brit women:</p>
<p>I am at a Mediterranean resort now and I am shocked by the number of single women in their 40s who come to the Mediterranean in a desperate attempt to finally find a man. These are the people who promote legislation like IMBRA to block the younger competition.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the look of the Oriental woman, so i went to one of the China dating websites and registered. 

beautful women have written many letters to me introducing themselves and describing their lives, their ambitions, and so forth. you can&#039;t help but notice that they all are up front about wanting to find a husband, for life. unlike their amerikan counterparts they are quite honest and talk openly, and what can only be described as honestly,  about being a good wife and what they see that entailing. these women are real wife material.

and this would be great except for one thing. it seems that once she gets to this country she can, by virtue of immediately becoming &quot;protected&quot; by biased amerikan laws, falsely claim i raped or beat her and possibly wind up better off financially than if she married me, then divorced me, and took me to the cleaners that way. and i have heard she will then be granted amerikan citizenship by virtue of her new victim status (via WAVA).   

so you either can take a privileged amerikan princess temporary wife or none is the message here for the average joe. 

no doubt, with these kinds of warped laws, this is no longer the America of your forefathers. it&#039;s absolutely disgusting and makes the thought of marrying anyone repulsive. 

i hope amerikan women like the upcoming drought. guys are starting to &quot;get it&quot;. amerikan and brit women are already experiencing the lack of husbands - cosmo readers are calling the unmarrying men all sorts of nasty names. and we are sooo immature too. this has been a long time coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the look of the Oriental woman, so i went to one of the China dating websites and registered. </p>
<p>beautful women have written many letters to me introducing themselves and describing their lives, their ambitions, and so forth. you can&#8217;t help but notice that they all are up front about wanting to find a husband, for life. unlike their amerikan counterparts they are quite honest and talk openly, and what can only be described as honestly,  about being a good wife and what they see that entailing. these women are real wife material.</p>
<p>and this would be great except for one thing. it seems that once she gets to this country she can, by virtue of immediately becoming &#8220;protected&#8221; by biased amerikan laws, falsely claim i raped or beat her and possibly wind up better off financially than if she married me, then divorced me, and took me to the cleaners that way. and i have heard she will then be granted amerikan citizenship by virtue of her new victim status (via WAVA).   </p>
<p>so you either can take a privileged amerikan princess temporary wife or none is the message here for the average joe. </p>
<p>no doubt, with these kinds of warped laws, this is no longer the America of your forefathers. it&#8217;s absolutely disgusting and makes the thought of marrying anyone repulsive. </p>
<p>i hope amerikan women like the upcoming drought. guys are starting to &#8220;get it&#8221;. amerikan and brit women are already experiencing the lack of husbands &#8211; cosmo readers are calling the unmarrying men all sorts of nasty names. and we are sooo immature too. this has been a long time coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not print the rumor that Avon had once tried a program where they would get hair stylists to ask their clients if they were being abused by their husbands. That is just a rumor so far as I know, so it did not warrant being in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not print the rumor that Avon had once tried a program where they would get hair stylists to ask their clients if they were being abused by their husbands. That is just a rumor so far as I know, so it did not warrant being in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ve Have Vays of making you buy our product!   I think Avon just lost out, I am a man and I like several of the products they have for men.  But now I&#039;m done I will not deal with promoters of hatred and biase against men.
These stupid bastards need to realize, hate is great is your a Nazi, but if you are dealing with the buying public, it&#039;s a death sentence, death for your business, that is! 
They are either going to give up this insane practice or they are going out of business.  The buying public will &quot;smarten ups&quot; these foolish bastards.  Either they will learn better or one day soon be just  a bad memory.  A once great product that let human stupidity get in the way of good business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ve Have Vays of making you buy our product!   I think Avon just lost out, I am a man and I like several of the products they have for men.  But now I&#8217;m done I will not deal with promoters of hatred and biase against men.<br />
These stupid bastards need to realize, hate is great is your a Nazi, but if you are dealing with the buying public, it&#8217;s a death sentence, death for your business, that is!<br />
They are either going to give up this insane practice or they are going out of business.  The buying public will &#8220;smarten ups&#8221; these foolish bastards.  Either they will learn better or one day soon be just  a bad memory.  A once great product that let human stupidity get in the way of good business.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said.</p>
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