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		<title>By: janel88</title>
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		<dc:creator>janel88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just say that I agree with Metalman.Yet another idiotic article.</description>
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		<title>By: debi912</title>
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		<dc:creator>debi912</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband was single a long time before me, once we were together he was suddenly a hot commodity. It is amusing when we go out, if I were the jealous type and didn&#039;t trust the big guy, we&#039;d fight alot. The women are bold, they don&#039;t care that the wife is there either. I don&#039;t see this same behavior in men. Not to say men don&#039;t act this way, only that it is not overt as with women. It is childish behavior, that toy you just gotta have , til you get it and break it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband was single a long time before me, once we were together he was suddenly a hot commodity. It is amusing when we go out, if I were the jealous type and didn&#8217;t trust the big guy, we&#8217;d fight alot. The women are bold, they don&#8217;t care that the wife is there either. I don&#8217;t see this same behavior in men. Not to say men don&#8217;t act this way, only that it is not overt as with women. It is childish behavior, that toy you just gotta have , til you get it and break it.</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise, as I am sure you know, a third of the children born are not the woman&#039;s husbands so there is nearly as much unfaithfulness on the part of women as there is for men.  

I reversed this question  because far too often we see all the blame being placed on men while none is placed on women.  I also see another problem with this, it seems everyone is looking for a &quot;biologically&quot; reason for what the Bible calls....SIN.  I guess if they are born this way, they can excuse their behaviour right?  

In reality, we can simply watch a bunch of small children at play to find the root of this adult problem.  The root is that we want something that is not ours until it is ours and then we do not want it...until someone else does.  In short, we often want something we can not have.

James said it well&quot;

James 1:

13  Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 
14  But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 
15  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise, as I am sure you know, a third of the children born are not the woman&#8217;s husbands so there is nearly as much unfaithfulness on the part of women as there is for men.  </p>
<p>I reversed this question  because far too often we see all the blame being placed on men while none is placed on women.  I also see another problem with this, it seems everyone is looking for a &#8220;biologically&#8221; reason for what the Bible calls&#8230;.SIN.  I guess if they are born this way, they can excuse their behaviour right?  </p>
<p>In reality, we can simply watch a bunch of small children at play to find the root of this adult problem.  The root is that we want something that is not ours until it is ours and then we do not want it&#8230;until someone else does.  In short, we often want something we can not have.</p>
<p>James said it well&#8221;</p>
<p>James 1:</p>
<p>13  Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:<br />
14  But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.<br />
15  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Noe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shatteredmen said,

Could there be a biologically based reason women may be especially attracted to other womenâ€™s husbands?

(Denise) This is a good question. I believe the answer to it is &quot;no.&quot; The sexes play different roles in reproduction: men impregnate and women get pregnant. A woman pregnant by a man who is &quot;taken&quot; by another woman has no advantages but disadvantages because of lower or no access to the man&#039;s resources.  However, there ARE biologically based reasons why women might be especially attracted to affluent men and those men are often &quot;taken,&quot; thus so many affairs between single as well as married women and married men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shatteredmen said,</p>
<p>Could there be a biologically based reason women may be especially attracted to other womenâ€™s husbands?</p>
<p>(Denise) This is a good question. I believe the answer to it is &#8220;no.&#8221; The sexes play different roles in reproduction: men impregnate and women get pregnant. A woman pregnant by a man who is &#8220;taken&#8221; by another woman has no advantages but disadvantages because of lower or no access to the man&#8217;s resources.  However, there ARE biologically based reasons why women might be especially attracted to affluent men and those men are often &#8220;taken,&#8221; thus so many affairs between single as well as married women and married men.</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 08:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: metalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>metalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another idiotic article by Denise Noe.</description>
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		<title>By: jackal1994</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackal1994</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to post this on a thread that many people had eyes on.

I was ready a thread on mensactivism.org (about the mom who stabbed your 2y/o daughter to death).

I scrolled down and saw this gem:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57710</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to post this on a thread that many people had eyes on.</p>
<p>I was ready a thread on mensactivism.org (about the mom who stabbed your 2y/o daughter to death).</p>
<p>I scrolled down and saw this gem:<br />
<a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57710" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57710</a></p>
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		<title>By: daveinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing about the married women:

1. if they are looking, they are easy. just out for an occasional fling, maybe a one night stand. they want the same things men do. wild sex at a moments notice and no strings. see ya later.  
2. they probably do the calling. if both are married there is usually a common meeting place and approx. time.
3. no worries w/ pregnancy either. most married women are on BC/the pill and those who aren&#039;t don&#039;t worry about who will pay. a guy told me the other day that good looking married women usually have 2 men in their lives. one to play and one to pay.      
4. and they are sooo much better looking than single women, in general. when you are a single man for a while you come to realize that the good lookers won&#039;t be &quot;out there&quot; for long. husbands are stability $$$ (servants).
heck, everybody wants a servant.
5. she has nothing to lose, except MAYBE a husband. easily replaced if she is a looker. she knows the deck is stacked against the devoted husband at home. automatic custody, CS, house, car, alimony, etc., etc. no worries.
6. a lot of women have husbands who accept their wife&#039;s infidelity for whatever reason. not exactly the alpha male type, but very reliable. he worshipes her and she can do no wrong. no commment.
7. some women are out for a baby w/ a stranger, or a regular lover, for a wide variety of reasons. this part can really devastate the real genetic fathers if a bond is allowed to form w/ the child. 
8. a lot of married men are dopes. they agree to one night out w/ the boys and go look in the pubs, that&#039;s where they generally are. playing pool, pinball, and so forth. when wifey gets her turn she really gets decked out. she ain&#039;t doing that for her girlfriends (mostly) and she ain&#039;t in the pubs. she got dressed up for dancing, drinking and probably sex.
9. and off comes the ring. they will lie about their age, name, marital status, hair color, income, kids, heck, you name it, married women on the prowl will lie about it. 

a lot of us guys just want to get close to a woman, NOW. any woman that will act interested, tonite.

 and that is why it has always amazed me at the guys who would look beyond their wife for somebody to blame for all this. always want to kill and blame the other guy. destroy his life. hey buddy, no one made YOU any promises but YOUR wife. 

what can i say? i read a lot. lotsa research time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing about the married women:</p>
<p>1. if they are looking, they are easy. just out for an occasional fling, maybe a one night stand. they want the same things men do. wild sex at a moments notice and no strings. see ya later.<br />
2. they probably do the calling. if both are married there is usually a common meeting place and approx. time.<br />
3. no worries w/ pregnancy either. most married women are on BC/the pill and those who aren&#8217;t don&#8217;t worry about who will pay. a guy told me the other day that good looking married women usually have 2 men in their lives. one to play and one to pay.<br />
4. and they are sooo much better looking than single women, in general. when you are a single man for a while you come to realize that the good lookers won&#8217;t be &#8220;out there&#8221; for long. husbands are stability $$$ (servants).<br />
heck, everybody wants a servant.<br />
5. she has nothing to lose, except MAYBE a husband. easily replaced if she is a looker. she knows the deck is stacked against the devoted husband at home. automatic custody, CS, house, car, alimony, etc., etc. no worries.<br />
6. a lot of women have husbands who accept their wife&#8217;s infidelity for whatever reason. not exactly the alpha male type, but very reliable. he worshipes her and she can do no wrong. no commment.<br />
7. some women are out for a baby w/ a stranger, or a regular lover, for a wide variety of reasons. this part can really devastate the real genetic fathers if a bond is allowed to form w/ the child.<br />
8. a lot of married men are dopes. they agree to one night out w/ the boys and go look in the pubs, that&#8217;s where they generally are. playing pool, pinball, and so forth. when wifey gets her turn she really gets decked out. she ain&#8217;t doing that for her girlfriends (mostly) and she ain&#8217;t in the pubs. she got dressed up for dancing, drinking and probably sex.<br />
9. and off comes the ring. they will lie about their age, name, marital status, hair color, income, kids, heck, you name it, married women on the prowl will lie about it. </p>
<p>a lot of us guys just want to get close to a woman, NOW. any woman that will act interested, tonite.</p>
<p> and that is why it has always amazed me at the guys who would look beyond their wife for somebody to blame for all this. always want to kill and blame the other guy. destroy his life. hey buddy, no one made YOU any promises but YOUR wife. </p>
<p>what can i say? i read a lot. lotsa research time.</p>
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		<title>By: Virtue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virtue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little bit of projection going on Denise?

Its WOMEN who are attracted to married men not the other way around (ok there are a lot of women who happen to be married that are attractive to me but being married is a negitive attractive enhancer not a positive)

Its women.....that feel they are the better woman if they can steal the boyfriend/husband from another woman......and that IS genetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little bit of projection going on Denise?</p>
<p>Its WOMEN who are attracted to married men not the other way around (ok there are a lot of women who happen to be married that are attractive to me but being married is a negitive attractive enhancer not a positive)</p>
<p>Its women&#8230;..that feel they are the better woman if they can steal the boyfriend/husband from another woman&#8230;&#8230;and that IS genetic.</p>
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		<title>By: jackal1994</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackal1994</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever attraction married women present to single men I think is purely lust-based, not genetic.
I think it has nothing more to do than the woman &quot;presenting&quot; as if she were available, or still dressing/flirting in a manner that says she still wants to be pursued. I think it&#039;s lust based and nothing more.

However, I think there might be a very strong genetic drive for women to cheat, whether cheating on their vows or encouraging a husband to cheat on his wife.

Wife&#039;s sacrificing their vows has been beaten like a dead horse everyone is aware of the possible genetic benefits of it. I will summarize that with: the woman marries a docile (not necessarily feminized, but child-loving &quot;family&quot; man, and usually industrious) thus ensuring &quot;her&quot; genetic offspring the best chances. Then she beds down with a risk-taker or other form of &quot;alpha male&quot; thus ensuring her children of alpha characteristics: leadership, charisma, looks(maybe?).

What I never thought of before is that a single woman might also have genetic drives to encourage a man to cheat with her.
This way she can get (at least) the financial support of a prime provider. Look at how Amy Fisher attacked Joey Butafuccos wife.

In ancient days the practice of sultans (or whatever nobility) taking many wives was really a female-friendly practice. What? Yes! This enabled a dozen or more woman of fertile child-bearing quality to have royal offspring (with much better survival rates) but meant 11 men had no wives or wives of less-than-optimal fertility.
In this way women with a &quot;cheating&quot; gene were passed down. By cheating gene I mean a woman who would inherit personality traits to look for prime mate selection first, and &quot;availability&quot; second. A wiley woman could always work on the availability part, but you can&#039;t work on the &quot;prime mate&quot; traits.

Research shows they&#039;re biological. I watched a show on TLC (or one of the educational channels) about sex selection in humans. Apparently woman like men with chests bigger than their stomachs, woman like men with facial symmetry. Woman also prefer men with big chins. My understanding is that growing a big chin uses up a lot of the same nutrients and body-systems that fight disease. So, if a man has a big chin and is STILL fit and disease-free it means his children are more likely to have a vibrant immune system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever attraction married women present to single men I think is purely lust-based, not genetic.<br />
I think it has nothing more to do than the woman &#8220;presenting&#8221; as if she were available, or still dressing/flirting in a manner that says she still wants to be pursued. I think it&#8217;s lust based and nothing more.</p>
<p>However, I think there might be a very strong genetic drive for women to cheat, whether cheating on their vows or encouraging a husband to cheat on his wife.</p>
<p>Wife&#8217;s sacrificing their vows has been beaten like a dead horse everyone is aware of the possible genetic benefits of it. I will summarize that with: the woman marries a docile (not necessarily feminized, but child-loving &#8220;family&#8221; man, and usually industrious) thus ensuring &#8220;her&#8221; genetic offspring the best chances. Then she beds down with a risk-taker or other form of &#8220;alpha male&#8221; thus ensuring her children of alpha characteristics: leadership, charisma, looks(maybe?).</p>
<p>What I never thought of before is that a single woman might also have genetic drives to encourage a man to cheat with her.<br />
This way she can get (at least) the financial support of a prime provider. Look at how Amy Fisher attacked Joey Butafuccos wife.</p>
<p>In ancient days the practice of sultans (or whatever nobility) taking many wives was really a female-friendly practice. What? Yes! This enabled a dozen or more woman of fertile child-bearing quality to have royal offspring (with much better survival rates) but meant 11 men had no wives or wives of less-than-optimal fertility.<br />
In this way women with a &#8220;cheating&#8221; gene were passed down. By cheating gene I mean a woman who would inherit personality traits to look for prime mate selection first, and &#8220;availability&#8221; second. A wiley woman could always work on the availability part, but you can&#8217;t work on the &#8220;prime mate&#8221; traits.</p>
<p>Research shows they&#8217;re biological. I watched a show on TLC (or one of the educational channels) about sex selection in humans. Apparently woman like men with chests bigger than their stomachs, woman like men with facial symmetry. Woman also prefer men with big chins. My understanding is that growing a big chin uses up a lot of the same nutrients and body-systems that fight disease. So, if a man has a big chin and is STILL fit and disease-free it means his children are more likely to have a vibrant immune system.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major problem with such post hoc reasoning, mixed in with &#039;genetic&#039; speculations, is that it has no scientific basis. Try testing it. 

It can almost be passed off as &#039;evolution&#039; or &#039;darwinian selection&#039; or genetic pre-disposition&#039; or whatever but no evidence is offered to show such &#039;pre-dispositions&#039; in the first instance let alone how it might be passed on, and an alert mind has to say. &quot;Hold them thar hosses, Missy&quot;.

These sorts of speculations abound. Its the partly-intellectual&#039;s version of superstition. Dress up a wild guess in scientific jargon and someone is bound use it to fill a page in a &#039;learned&#039; journal. They all seem to begin with an unstated assumption that our genes are all preselected and our genes determine our behaviour. No thought is ever given to inadvertent artifact of the situations we encounter. 

In this instance chap A, you say, fancies chap B&#039;s missus, C. She, C, has chap A&#039;s nipper and the &#039;gene&#039; gets passed on. 

What gene? 

Chap A likes to bonk. OK, lets say his genes make him do it. He bonks willy nilly whenever a chance arises. (&quot;Honest Officer, it weren&#039;t me, It wuz me genes&quot;) Chap A saw a chance to bonk Mrs C, who was walking by one day with that wiggle, just like any other wiggling woman. Mrs C was amenable.  That&#039;s all. Opportunity. 

No &#039;Chap B&#039;s missus fancying genes&#039; needed to be the prime mover. No special gene for fancying anyone&#039;s missus to pass on. 

You haven&#039;t demonstrated any &quot;tendency to be attracted to â€œtakenâ€ women being (specifically) biologically based&quot;, nor pointed to any particular naughty gene. You haven&#039;t even shown a specific tendancy to fancying another&#039;s missus for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major problem with such post hoc reasoning, mixed in with &#8216;genetic&#8217; speculations, is that it has no scientific basis. Try testing it. </p>
<p>It can almost be passed off as &#8216;evolution&#8217; or &#8216;darwinian selection&#8217; or genetic pre-disposition&#8217; or whatever but no evidence is offered to show such &#8216;pre-dispositions&#8217; in the first instance let alone how it might be passed on, and an alert mind has to say. &#8220;Hold them thar hosses, Missy&#8221;.</p>
<p>These sorts of speculations abound. Its the partly-intellectual&#8217;s version of superstition. Dress up a wild guess in scientific jargon and someone is bound use it to fill a page in a &#8216;learned&#8217; journal. They all seem to begin with an unstated assumption that our genes are all preselected and our genes determine our behaviour. No thought is ever given to inadvertent artifact of the situations we encounter. </p>
<p>In this instance chap A, you say, fancies chap B&#8217;s missus, C. She, C, has chap A&#8217;s nipper and the &#8216;gene&#8217; gets passed on. </p>
<p>What gene? </p>
<p>Chap A likes to bonk. OK, lets say his genes make him do it. He bonks willy nilly whenever a chance arises. (&#8221;Honest Officer, it weren&#8217;t me, It wuz me genes&#8221;) Chap A saw a chance to bonk Mrs C, who was walking by one day with that wiggle, just like any other wiggling woman. Mrs C was amenable.  That&#8217;s all. Opportunity. </p>
<p>No &#8216;Chap B&#8217;s missus fancying genes&#8217; needed to be the prime mover. No special gene for fancying anyone&#8217;s missus to pass on. </p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t demonstrated any &#8220;tendency to be attracted to â€œtakenâ€ women being (specifically) biologically based&#8221;, nor pointed to any particular naughty gene. You haven&#8217;t even shown a specific tendancy to fancying another&#8217;s missus for that matter.</p>
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