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	<title>Comments on: California Gay Marriage: A State In Irreversible Decline</title>
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		<title>By: jackal1994</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/16/california-gay-marriage-a-state-in-irreversible-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-77591</link>
		<dc:creator>jackal1994</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
I agree with you completely. Gay marriage is &quot;going into warp-drive&quot; what the feminist industries have done to heterosexual marriage.
Two lesbians will be able to artificially inseminate, or two divorced mothers (children already being treated as de facto property of moms) will be able to marry. Or as you mentioned these lesbians will be able to copulate and punitatively charge the one-night-affair men a stiff penalty for one night&#039;s pleasure. It goes without saying that these opportunistic greedy women will choose men with big wallets.

It&#039;s a total lock-down of reproductive rights (with men paying the bill, but with no rights to how the child is raised).

I&#039;m not sure if there is much hope for changing things in the political realm. Politician&#039;s are too-well rewarded for tearing families apart.

I have very high hopes for the male contraceptive pill. Once this (way way past-due) technological achievement is made it&#039;s going to become a silent revolution.

Women around the world will shudder as men will be able to have unending access to women&#039;s bodies without the typical (practical) life-ending consequences for the male.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
I agree with you completely. Gay marriage is &#8220;going into warp-drive&#8221; what the feminist industries have done to heterosexual marriage.<br />
Two lesbians will be able to artificially inseminate, or two divorced mothers (children already being treated as de facto property of moms) will be able to marry. Or as you mentioned these lesbians will be able to copulate and punitatively charge the one-night-affair men a stiff penalty for one night&#8217;s pleasure. It goes without saying that these opportunistic greedy women will choose men with big wallets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a total lock-down of reproductive rights (with men paying the bill, but with no rights to how the child is raised).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if there is much hope for changing things in the political realm. Politician&#8217;s are too-well rewarded for tearing families apart.</p>
<p>I have very high hopes for the male contraceptive pill. Once this (way way past-due) technological achievement is made it&#8217;s going to become a silent revolution.</p>
<p>Women around the world will shudder as men will be able to have unending access to women&#8217;s bodies without the typical (practical) life-ending consequences for the male.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike LaSalle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike LaSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: comment #8:

Readers should please refrain from sending incendiary emails to MND authors.

MND is a free-speech zone, and as such, authors have great latitude in offering their opinions.

For the record, MND&#039;s stated editorial policy is to &quot;publish intelligently written opinion of interest to men across the political spectrum.&quot;

This actually includes the intelligently written opinions of some gay people (eg., &lt;a href=&quot;http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/18/the-california-gay-marriage-ruling-is-not-judicial-activism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BRSK&lt;/a&gt;).

Please note that this publication does not take a position on the merits of any argument made in the Vox Populi section. (Our disclaimer is public: &quot;Opinions found on this website are expressly those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of this publication, its editorial staff or contributors.&quot;)

Our objective is to introduce readers of this publication to the varieties of thought within the Conservative and Libertarian communities in the US and across the world.

No publication in the free world can claim to be without some kind of socially and physically conditioned &lt;em&gt;bias&lt;/em&gt;. Thus MND admittedly favors a set of biases that could be described as &quot;conservative&quot; or &quot;libertarian&quot;.

But MND is also committed to open exchange in a free marketplace of ideas: the very foundation of a &quot;free society&quot;.

Readers interested in preserving our free society are advised to debate the issues and merits, and to refrain from personal attacks on the author or upon each other.

Mike LaSalle
Publisher, MensNewsDaily.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: comment #8:</p>
<p>Readers should please refrain from sending incendiary emails to MND authors.</p>
<p>MND is a free-speech zone, and as such, authors have great latitude in offering their opinions.</p>
<p>For the record, MND&#8217;s stated editorial policy is to &#8220;publish intelligently written opinion of interest to men across the political spectrum.&#8221;</p>
<p>This actually includes the intelligently written opinions of some gay people (eg., <a href="http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/18/the-california-gay-marriage-ruling-is-not-judicial-activism/" rel="nofollow">BRSK</a>).</p>
<p>Please note that this publication does not take a position on the merits of any argument made in the Vox Populi section. (Our disclaimer is public: &#8220;Opinions found on this website are expressly those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of this publication, its editorial staff or contributors.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Our objective is to introduce readers of this publication to the varieties of thought within the Conservative and Libertarian communities in the US and across the world.</p>
<p>No publication in the free world can claim to be without some kind of socially and physically conditioned <em>bias</em>. Thus MND admittedly favors a set of biases that could be described as &#8220;conservative&#8221; or &#8220;libertarian&#8221;.</p>
<p>But MND is also committed to open exchange in a free marketplace of ideas: the very foundation of a &#8220;free society&#8221;.</p>
<p>Readers interested in preserving our free society are advised to debate the issues and merits, and to refrain from personal attacks on the author or upon each other.</p>
<p>Mike LaSalle<br />
Publisher, MensNewsDaily.com</p>
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		<title>By: FathersHaveNaturalRights</title>
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		<dc:creator>FathersHaveNaturalRights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 04:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gay pattern of conduct is medically unhealthy, which is one of many reasons why the government should not endorse and subsidize it via instituting &quot;gay marriage&quot;.

And gay &quot;civil unions&quot; are just as bad, marriage in all but name and placeholders until they can claim the name as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gay pattern of conduct is medically unhealthy, which is one of many reasons why the government should not endorse and subsidize it via instituting &#8220;gay marriage&#8221;.</p>
<p>And gay &#8220;civil unions&#8221; are just as bad, marriage in all but name and placeholders until they can claim the name as well.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

I have received a fair amount of threatening and/or horrifically filthy email about this piece (which has been published on about ten other websites).  Most of this is coming from (apparently) gay men.  The average gay male has 800% more sexual partners than the average hetero male.  They are living a dangerous and often fatal sexual disorder.  This is yet another reason why being &quot;gay&quot; is not a cause for &quot;marriage&quot;.  These guys need to get into counseling fast!

Some gays and lesbians are chronic-phase ideologues of the &quot;gay rights&quot; cult.  Some of them are quite deranged.  A few have sent me horrifically filthy and/or threatening email.  One nut has even claimed that the article above is an act of harassment and insists it be taken down (it will NOT be taken down).

&lt;strong&gt;Warning to gay activists: It is OK to disagree on the merits.  But if you send me threatening or filthy email, I will report you to your ISP and get you booted off the internet.  I am logging all threatening email, and reporting it to authorities in case any of these nuts attempt to follow through with a threat.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>I have received a fair amount of threatening and/or horrifically filthy email about this piece (which has been published on about ten other websites).  Most of this is coming from (apparently) gay men.  The average gay male has 800% more sexual partners than the average hetero male.  They are living a dangerous and often fatal sexual disorder.  This is yet another reason why being &#8220;gay&#8221; is not a cause for &#8220;marriage&#8221;.  These guys need to get into counseling fast!</p>
<p>Some gays and lesbians are chronic-phase ideologues of the &#8220;gay rights&#8221; cult.  Some of them are quite deranged.  A few have sent me horrifically filthy and/or threatening email.  One nut has even claimed that the article above is an act of harassment and insists it be taken down (it will NOT be taken down).</p>
<p><strong>Warning to gay activists: It is OK to disagree on the merits.  But if you send me threatening or filthy email, I will report you to your ISP and get you booted off the internet.  I am logging all threatening email, and reporting it to authorities in case any of these nuts attempt to follow through with a threat.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: lieweary</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/16/california-gay-marriage-a-state-in-irreversible-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-77589</link>
		<dc:creator>lieweary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how many men are even trying to change things? Literally millions of men are being falsely arrested, beat dead with child support, hit with frivolous protection orders; they&#039;re shelling out tens of millions for lawyers but mere pennies on antifeminist politics.

There&#039;s a huge potential market for men&#039;s rights, but men have to be yanked out of learned helplessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how many men are even trying to change things? Literally millions of men are being falsely arrested, beat dead with child support, hit with frivolous protection orders; they&#8217;re shelling out tens of millions for lawyers but mere pennies on antifeminist politics.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a huge potential market for men&#8217;s rights, but men have to be yanked out of learned helplessness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mjaybee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mjaybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay marriage?

Haven&#039;t the gays suffered enough????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay marriage?</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t the gays suffered enough????</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/16/california-gay-marriage-a-state-in-irreversible-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-77587</link>
		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 07:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lieweary: men marrying men is exactly what feminists want.  Its the back seat of the bus.  The last time I checked, black civil rights activists refused to ride the bus rather than crowd into the back seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieweary: men marrying men is exactly what feminists want.  Its the back seat of the bus.  The last time I checked, black civil rights activists refused to ride the bus rather than crowd into the back seat.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 06:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for men is that they rarely get custody of children in divorce, and it is nearly impossible in cases of illegitimacy.  The majority of men would have to adopt.  Why men would cuckold themselves and raise somebody else&#039;s illegitimate child is beyond me.

Instead of walking on eggshells and being 1/3 of a man, its far better to move to countries that support marriage strongly.  Why try to plant corn in death valley?

This list includes Brazil, China, Singapore, and Korea.  Of course, freedom of speech isn&#039;t as robust as it it here and the creature comforts not necessary as cushy: but if you are assured a respected place as husband in your own family, and can find a decent job, and have a halfway decent home to live in, one has little to complain about compared to the tremendous abuses we endure in the United States.

Think about it seriously for a minute: since America arbitrarily sacks the majority of good husbands, why should men not divorce America first while they have a chance to do so?  This suggestion is not unpatriotic: in this global economy, you can live, work, move overseas, and get citizenship quite easily.  Why not take advantage of that which is fully legal and particularly beneficial to you? In most of these countries citizenship is automatic simply by marrying.

Those who do not have kids or a child support order are nuts not to consider moving to fertile soil for marriage and work.

I have worked in Singapore, Korea, Japan, and China.  All three are quite livable, the ladies are extremely respectful of husbands, find American men very attractive, and take marriage seriously.  The governments of these countries, after studying America, adamantly refuse to replace marriage with a huge welfare state run by politico attorneys.  They greatly dislike feminism and see it as an insanely dangerous cult movement, and refuse to let it in the door (we call that censorship over here).  Japan is going down the feminist tubes and the future is risky there.

It took 120 years for feminism to seize America.  None of us will see major changes in our lifetimes.  Even our children probably won&#039;t see it.  This movement has fought for change vigorously since the late 1960&#039;s, and we are just now getting to the point where Washington is considering the possibility that they might have to even let us testify in Congress.  Once we even get a voice in politics and in Congress, there are libraries full of federal code that must be painstakingly redone, one word at a time.  We have a long way to go, baby.

In the words of Mark Twain: &quot;The future ain&#039;t what it used to be.&quot;  Now, where do you want to be in your lifetime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for men is that they rarely get custody of children in divorce, and it is nearly impossible in cases of illegitimacy.  The majority of men would have to adopt.  Why men would cuckold themselves and raise somebody else&#8217;s illegitimate child is beyond me.</p>
<p>Instead of walking on eggshells and being 1/3 of a man, its far better to move to countries that support marriage strongly.  Why try to plant corn in death valley?</p>
<p>This list includes Brazil, China, Singapore, and Korea.  Of course, freedom of speech isn&#8217;t as robust as it it here and the creature comforts not necessary as cushy: but if you are assured a respected place as husband in your own family, and can find a decent job, and have a halfway decent home to live in, one has little to complain about compared to the tremendous abuses we endure in the United States.</p>
<p>Think about it seriously for a minute: since America arbitrarily sacks the majority of good husbands, why should men not divorce America first while they have a chance to do so?  This suggestion is not unpatriotic: in this global economy, you can live, work, move overseas, and get citizenship quite easily.  Why not take advantage of that which is fully legal and particularly beneficial to you? In most of these countries citizenship is automatic simply by marrying.</p>
<p>Those who do not have kids or a child support order are nuts not to consider moving to fertile soil for marriage and work.</p>
<p>I have worked in Singapore, Korea, Japan, and China.  All three are quite livable, the ladies are extremely respectful of husbands, find American men very attractive, and take marriage seriously.  The governments of these countries, after studying America, adamantly refuse to replace marriage with a huge welfare state run by politico attorneys.  They greatly dislike feminism and see it as an insanely dangerous cult movement, and refuse to let it in the door (we call that censorship over here).  Japan is going down the feminist tubes and the future is risky there.</p>
<p>It took 120 years for feminism to seize America.  None of us will see major changes in our lifetimes.  Even our children probably won&#8217;t see it.  This movement has fought for change vigorously since the late 1960&#8217;s, and we are just now getting to the point where Washington is considering the possibility that they might have to even let us testify in Congress.  Once we even get a voice in politics and in Congress, there are libraries full of federal code that must be painstakingly redone, one word at a time.  We have a long way to go, baby.</p>
<p>In the words of Mark Twain: &#8220;The future ain&#8217;t what it used to be.&#8221;  Now, where do you want to be in your lifetime?</p>
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		<title>By: FathersHaveNaturalRights</title>
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		<dc:creator>FathersHaveNaturalRights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 06:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding, &quot;Women are the presumed custodians of children in marriage and divorce&quot;.

That is a foundational problem. Fathers need to be seen as the caregivers of their own children, whether married, divorced, or never married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding, &#8220;Women are the presumed custodians of children in marriage and divorce&#8221;.</p>
<p>That is a foundational problem. Fathers need to be seen as the caregivers of their own children, whether married, divorced, or never married.</p>
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		<title>By: lieweary</title>
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		<dc:creator>lieweary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 05:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another amusing thought: how long will it be before straight men-- perhaps even MRAs!-- start marrying each other, for the purpose of retaining custody of children? Two men could be (sexlessly) married and have girlfriends, while sharing parenting responsibilities.

This could backfire on feminists, if a vast case history develops in which courts aren&#039;t able to arbitrarily discrimiinate against one party based on gender. Courts would be forced to treat both sides equally-- perhaps even leading to straight men being treated equally in a traditional divorce.

Some mighty interesting times ahead, if this holds up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another amusing thought: how long will it be before straight men&#8211; perhaps even MRAs!&#8211; start marrying each other, for the purpose of retaining custody of children? Two men could be (sexlessly) married and have girlfriends, while sharing parenting responsibilities.</p>
<p>This could backfire on feminists, if a vast case history develops in which courts aren&#8217;t able to arbitrarily discrimiinate against one party based on gender. Courts would be forced to treat both sides equally&#8211; perhaps even leading to straight men being treated equally in a traditional divorce.</p>
<p>Some mighty interesting times ahead, if this holds up.</p>
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		<title>By: lieweary</title>
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		<dc:creator>lieweary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 05:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a funny side to this, though: how will the courts find a way to screw over the man when it&#039;s two men getting divorced? What will they do, award the home and assets to the next two women who break up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a funny side to this, though: how will the courts find a way to screw over the man when it&#8217;s two men getting divorced? What will they do, award the home and assets to the next two women who break up?</p>
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