1). I want more money. Can’t wait for the divorce.

2). I want a sucker to play daddy (and future ATM) to my kids.

3). Because my kids are becoming expensive and I want to marry a future ATM to maintain my lifestyle.

4). Because I want to make my middle aged friends jealous, and later on, of course, see #1.

5). Because I want to quit working and see #1.

So now that we have discussed history, anthropology and religion, how about those anti-peonage laws?

She will almost always answer that with “because I love you”, not “because I want more money coming in”, or “because I want someone to play daddy to my kids now that I got rid of their father”, or “because I want more kids and more child support”, or “because I want a sex partner and you’re good”, or “because I want a man but he’s unimportant to me next to children”, or whatever.

In other words, rely on her answer not only being true now but forever at your own detriment, whether she is being completely honest or not, with you let alone herself.

But yes, certainly, if she answers with something that isn’t going to work for you, by all means move along before saying “I do”.

Keep it simple: ask her why she wants YOU, why she wants to marry YOU. If you don’t like her answer, don’t complain. Just go to the next woman.

The typical man is afraid to ask anything of a woman, for fear he won’t get laid. So, he keeps his mouth shut, ends up with a bitch, and then complains on MND.

Life is simple. People love to complicate it.

It is easier for women to have the child as her primary ‘love’. She can dominate a child. She can manipulate it. She can coerce it. She can shame it into submission to her will. In the child’s ‘best interests’ of course. A child, even with its tantrums and inabilities, is so much easier to coexist with than another independant, individual adult. Even if she has to charge around in an SUV from arsehole to breakfast time. She can always blame a child too.

It is a failure of the average woman to achieve adulthood herself. And an excuse.

A real, live, mature, functioning adult has to co-exist in the closest, most intimate, humanly possible way with another adult of the opposite sex, to fully flower. It is he or she to whom the soul is opened. It is he or she who is the only one who can be trusted to see the secrets we keep even from ourselves and those parts of ourselves that we cannot see for ourselves. We can only know ourselves fully through another in whom we trust. Completely. That other has to be of the opposite sex for us to see and confront and understand and love our deeper common humanity which has components which only the opposire sex has in sufficient abundance.

Homosexuals just cannot show that unknown other side to each other.

By taking another being, just for the time being, and then casting them off, favouring an immature being, is a strong and clear signal of a Failure of Maturity. And it is a deliberate failure. A cowardice. Culpable.

To have social systems which facilitate, even encourage this, is a human crisis. It could lead to the eradication of matured human beings altogether. Humanity could fail to achieve its singular potential altogether.

Fortunately, the world is still sufficiently diverse in its cultural ‘baggage’ to resist the total demise of humanity. Other cultures, whilst seemingly less ‘civilised’ as western/anglo/european/enlightenment/post-renaissance/graeko/Roman/Christian whathaveyou will nevertheless carry on when we have sank into the history books.

Remember (if you already knew) that there were probably only 2000 human beings alive 70,000 years ago and we came a long way since then. Maybe good old fashioned lust will overcome the decaying forces of evil yet, and the drives toward humanising the planet will assert themselves again.

Look at the women in their 30’s and 40’s on the dating websites. Invariably, over half of them proudly state things like “divorced”, “my children come first”, and that men should be happy with a “package deal”.

Whether the father(s) of their children ever came first in their lives or not, and whether he/they realized it or not, or whether either of them knew that the state would not only encourage but reward her for taking this attitude, one thing is certain, that you should stay away from her.

These women are at least being indirectly honest in that the woman is stating clearly that husbands and fathers can come and go, but the “family” is, was, and always will be her and her children.

Whether a woman states it clearly, or even believes it, yet, there is not much to be gained for a man to get involved with a woman who has small children, but lots and lots for him to lose, whenever she feels like it. So men, don’t even think about it working out with a woman who is divorced with children. You are relegated to the back seat from day one, and that’s where you’ll be when she cashes you in at a nearby “family law” courthouse, whether you become just another ex-husband or an ex-father as well. I was given this very advice once, but ignored it, much to my regret.

This is too far gone to fix in the aggregate. Advertisers always have the happy mom and kids present, products and even the essential meme of daily life are entrenched.

This doctrine of spouse first is spoken openly in churches, but like the churches opposition to divorce, it is spoken softly and NEVER directed at a gender for fear of offending the gaggle of gigglers in the rows.

Nature works on various levels, some not very apparant. Sure there is the easily observable reproduction level but there is also a personal maturity drive. Men and women need each other to grow as human beings and that need necessitates each being Number One if the other’s life. It extends the ego and it decentres the ego.

Our current state of affairs focuses the ego tightly upon itself. Hyper-narcissism is the tenor of the age we are living in and it has been deliberately engendered by anti-life forces. It is not only limiting the reproductive capacity of people in our western world, but limiting the individual personal growth of people in the western world. One can label this anti-life force ‘Feminism’ but frankly that ideology is just a manifestation of a wider and deeper evil loose in the world.

It was Adolph Hitler who firts used the phrase ‘best interests of the children’ and it wasn’t in order to benefit children. We have allowed a sophistry to take over good sense and distort our natural drive.

Men, fathers, have allowed this to happen by neglect. It is not a culpable negligence however unless we permit its continuation and maintenance. It is a negligence born of ignorance; and fortunately that ignorance is slowly changing, in part by articles such as Marc’s.

Women in the main are responsible for the overthrow of adult primacy relations, substituting children as the seemingly main focus, while all the time keeping the focus tightly upon themselves. The children are their excuse, just as it was Hitler’s.

The death of marriage and the family is a woman-crime against humanity. It has been demanded by women, supported by women and driven like a stake through the civil heart by women.

However, instead of this, “Men need to use the state to deter marriage….in order to make it work….change the laws…..overcome fear of commitment….enforce the marriage contract….kiss womens’ asses….kiss the governments ass in order to be granted “civil rights”…..”. Well, FYI, that isn’t going to happen.

Just get used to that idea. Marriage in the NAU..err, I mean the USA is finished. The people who run this country behind the scenes killed it with feminazism.

The basic solution is simple and easy. Don’t ever get married in this country. Don’t ever have nor raise children in this country. At this point in history, being single has never been easier nor more fun. If you really, really want to get married, expatriate first to somewhere where the government won’t be the third party in the marriage contract and will not be used to financially rape your butt in divorce court.

If adults turn control of their lives over to the needs of their children, we have achieved the reduction described above. And our children will grow up seeing this, and will live pointless lives.

Thanks for stating it plainly Marc.

Marc is spot on with this advice: the marriage must come first before anything else (I would add “besides God, whom both spouses must serve before each other” to Marc’s secular message).

Gents, there are a lot of women out there who see men as a means to an end…to fill their empty wombs. She is a sperm bandit on a mission. If you find yourself in a relationship with one of those, run away and fast.

My first marriage died because my ex put the kids first and me second. I didn’t help things when I retreated into my job as a result.

To echo what sstratford said, kids depend on a healthy marriage. Parents who put their kids first–thinking they are acting in the best interests of their kids–actually threaten the very environment that allows them to grow.

“I don’t know why any man in this society would decide to have children.”

I have two who were legally kidnapped by my ex, one by my wife, and want two more little ones. The reason why I do want (more) children is that I am called to do so.

Though I have to say that if a man has children, and then his wife divorces him, he’s in for 20 years of forced slavery at the hands of the state. That’s a great reason to avoid having kids. Was this what you were referring to?

Children fare best in a household with a man and a woman who love each other. This is not debatable.

Therefore, having your spouse be number one in your life also means you love your children and want the best for them.

And lieweary, I really don’t understand your attitude. All the men I know, in our family, wanted their children and love them very much. The problem doesn’t lie with the man, so much as it does with the woman, as far as I can see. And “good” women are getting increasingly difficult to find, unfortunately.