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		<title>By: mruffolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mruffolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Western governments embrace feminism because it helps built bigger government - more tax dollars are made available for cause for women, whether you&#039;re the law enforcement, social services, county clerks, judges, government psychological services, and now, lawyers (read: Biden&#039;s new bill).  More allegations of problems for women mean more staff; more staff means more money, more money mean bigger salaries for leaders and managers.

When I ask American men in the late twenties and early 30&#039;s about their rights as fathers, I get a blank look.  If we continue on the subject of fatherhood, then quickly the topic changes to either lust for woman, sports or material stuff, like cars or how much money you make.

Maybe one in ten unmarried 20-something has their ears open to what is happening in family/marriage/divorce.  These are the wise men of America â€“ they learn from other peopleâ€™s experience.  They will reap the benefits of listening to the truth of our message.

Lastly, few people know that America has the highest divorce rates in the world.  I guess if the television does not tell men what they need to know, men are disinterested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Western governments embrace feminism because it helps built bigger government &#8211; more tax dollars are made available for cause for women, whether you&#8217;re the law enforcement, social services, county clerks, judges, government psychological services, and now, lawyers (read: Biden&#8217;s new bill).  More allegations of problems for women mean more staff; more staff means more money, more money mean bigger salaries for leaders and managers.</p>
<p>When I ask American men in the late twenties and early 30&#8217;s about their rights as fathers, I get a blank look.  If we continue on the subject of fatherhood, then quickly the topic changes to either lust for woman, sports or material stuff, like cars or how much money you make.</p>
<p>Maybe one in ten unmarried 20-something has their ears open to what is happening in family/marriage/divorce.  These are the wise men of America â€“ they learn from other peopleâ€™s experience.  They will reap the benefits of listening to the truth of our message.</p>
<p>Lastly, few people know that America has the highest divorce rates in the world.  I guess if the television does not tell men what they need to know, men are disinterested.</p>
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		<title>By: FathersHaveNaturalRights</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people who object to the incessant male-bashing of feminism try to draw an odd distinction, saying that they just oppose &quot;bad feminism&quot; not &quot;good feminism&quot;.

There is no good feminism. There never was. It began in the U.S. back in 1792 as a rebellion against the Constitution, and really started making a negative sociocultural impact with the sexist misandry of the 1848 Seneca Falls convention.

All femi-nism is about giving women unearned privileges, opportunities, and &quot;rights&quot; to hurt men and their children while portraying those same men as being to blame for every societal and family problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people who object to the incessant male-bashing of feminism try to draw an odd distinction, saying that they just oppose &#8220;bad feminism&#8221; not &#8220;good feminism&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is no good feminism. There never was. It began in the U.S. back in 1792 as a rebellion against the Constitution, and really started making a negative sociocultural impact with the sexist misandry of the 1848 Seneca Falls convention.</p>
<p>All femi-nism is about giving women unearned privileges, opportunities, and &#8220;rights&#8221; to hurt men and their children while portraying those same men as being to blame for every societal and family problem.</p>
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		<title>By: bharati</title>
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		<dc:creator>bharati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shared parenting movement spreads accross borders

http://deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Chetanaâ€™s%20ex-hubby%20bats%20for%20dads</description>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too applaud the &#039;smarts&#039; of modern sloganeering as used by F4J and the verve they demonstrate selecting targets and scaling roofs. Those guys definitely know how to drag the public&#039;s tiny attention span back to the issue.

And the potted Usher history (thank you David) is revealing. The civilised urge to be peaceful and patient is commendable but as history so frequently shows us, it can also exacerbate the problem. The closest that F4J got to arousing public outrage was when Jolly sat atop a Judge&#039;s roof dressed as father Christmas and the dull bugger Judge came out with a shotgun.

Provoking such targets as Harman to doing stupid things is the way to leverage the protest. F4J has some success there when they utilise their Court appearances and let the public ridicule the Bench.

But, the forty years (recall the Hundred year&#039;s War) demonising and fighting men shows no sign of abating. Patience might be seen as wearing thin and cautious words flow, but maybe patience was misplaced in the first instance. Few movements have lasted such a length of time without having severe and permanent affect on a society.

Our society is in danger of failing altogether. We are non-breeding our way into oblivion, due to Feminism. It is a completely destructive ideology.

Most of the MRM or Men&#039;s Equality Movement do not advocate violence. I can understand and appreciate its use though. I was employed by the Queen for 20+ years to visit violence upon her enemies. I am well aware that violence has a way of breaking out in unexpected places simply because people&#039;s tolerance limits differ. I understand that too.

Push Government Minister&#039;s limits enough and it is THEY who are likely to turn violent. Stupidly. These F4J guys get surrounded by cops under Ministerial direction and &#039;protection&#039;. At the Lincoln Memorial Jolly Stansby was assaulted by cops. Armed cops. The American public are innoculated against reaction to Police violence, having turned into nightly entertainment. They accept it like innoculated sheep accept tics.

The British Feminist Government acts hysterically to &#039;terrorism&#039; and like Feminists everywhere who slide the definition of &#039;Rape&#039; downward to include activity no matter how un-rapelike into the frame, so the BritFemGov will likely do with sitting on a roof.

The British Police murdered an innocent Brazilian guy running for a train a year or to back. They have already pushed right up against the average man&#039;s limits. One day an F4J hero will become a martyr.

That will be the moment when previously silent men will stand up and say, &quot;I am Spartacus&quot;.  They will take to their roofs in solidarity. Some will be armed. And for some others, brooding as they have been, the dogs of violence will slip the leash. It will stimulate an over-reaction from BritFemGov. There WILL be a civil conflagration.

British men are among the most tolerant that have ever walked the earth, but like Churchill, can be bull-dogs when roused.

Will American men be allies again, in this cause of even more pressing and essential Justice? Will American men sit on the roof, with their rifles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too applaud the &#8217;smarts&#8217; of modern sloganeering as used by F4J and the verve they demonstrate selecting targets and scaling roofs. Those guys definitely know how to drag the public&#8217;s tiny attention span back to the issue.</p>
<p>And the potted Usher history (thank you David) is revealing. The civilised urge to be peaceful and patient is commendable but as history so frequently shows us, it can also exacerbate the problem. The closest that F4J got to arousing public outrage was when Jolly sat atop a Judge&#8217;s roof dressed as father Christmas and the dull bugger Judge came out with a shotgun.</p>
<p>Provoking such targets as Harman to doing stupid things is the way to leverage the protest. F4J has some success there when they utilise their Court appearances and let the public ridicule the Bench.</p>
<p>But, the forty years (recall the Hundred year&#8217;s War) demonising and fighting men shows no sign of abating. Patience might be seen as wearing thin and cautious words flow, but maybe patience was misplaced in the first instance. Few movements have lasted such a length of time without having severe and permanent affect on a society.</p>
<p>Our society is in danger of failing altogether. We are non-breeding our way into oblivion, due to Feminism. It is a completely destructive ideology.</p>
<p>Most of the MRM or Men&#8217;s Equality Movement do not advocate violence. I can understand and appreciate its use though. I was employed by the Queen for 20+ years to visit violence upon her enemies. I am well aware that violence has a way of breaking out in unexpected places simply because people&#8217;s tolerance limits differ. I understand that too.</p>
<p>Push Government Minister&#8217;s limits enough and it is THEY who are likely to turn violent. Stupidly. These F4J guys get surrounded by cops under Ministerial direction and &#8216;protection&#8217;. At the Lincoln Memorial Jolly Stansby was assaulted by cops. Armed cops. The American public are innoculated against reaction to Police violence, having turned into nightly entertainment. They accept it like innoculated sheep accept tics.</p>
<p>The British Feminist Government acts hysterically to &#8216;terrorism&#8217; and like Feminists everywhere who slide the definition of &#8216;Rape&#8217; downward to include activity no matter how un-rapelike into the frame, so the BritFemGov will likely do with sitting on a roof.</p>
<p>The British Police murdered an innocent Brazilian guy running for a train a year or to back. They have already pushed right up against the average man&#8217;s limits. One day an F4J hero will become a martyr.</p>
<p>That will be the moment when previously silent men will stand up and say, &#8220;I am Spartacus&#8221;.  They will take to their roofs in solidarity. Some will be armed. And for some others, brooding as they have been, the dogs of violence will slip the leash. It will stimulate an over-reaction from BritFemGov. There WILL be a civil conflagration.</p>
<p>British men are among the most tolerant that have ever walked the earth, but like Churchill, can be bull-dogs when roused.</p>
<p>Will American men be allies again, in this cause of even more pressing and essential Justice? Will American men sit on the roof, with their rifles?</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too applaud the &#039;smarts&#039; of modern sloganeering as used by F4J and the verve they demonstrate selecting targets and scaling roofs. Those guys definitely know how to drag the public&#039;s tiny attention span back to the issue.

And the potted Usher history (thank you David) is revealing. The civilised urge to be peaceful and patient is commendable but as history so frequently shows us, it can also exacerbate the problem. The closest that F4J got to arousing public outrage was when Jolly sat atop a Judge&#039;s roof dressed as father Christmas and the dull bugger Judge came out with a shotgun.

Provoking such targets as Harman to doing stupid things is the way to leverage the protest. F4J has some success there when they utilise their Court appearances and let the public ridicule the Bench.

But, the forty years (recall the Hundred year&#039;s War) demonising and fighting men shows no sign of abating. Patience might be seen as wearing thin and cautious words flow, but maybe patience was misplaced in the first instance. Few movements have lasted such a length of time without having severe and permanent affect on a society.

Our society is in danger of failing altogether. We are non-breeding our way into oblivion, due to Feminism. It is a completely destructive ideology.

Most of the MRM or Men&#039;s Equality Movement do not advocate violence. I can understand and appreciate its use though. I was employed by the Queen for 20+ years to visit violence upon her enemies. I am well aware that violence has a way of breaking out in unexpected places simply because people&#039;s tolerance limits differ. I understand that too.

Push Government Minister&#039;s limits enough and it is THEY who are likely to turn violent. Stupidly. These F4J guys get surrounded by cops under Ministerial direction and &#039;protection&#039;. At the Lincoln Memorial Jolly Stansby was assaulted by cops. Armed cops. The American public are innoculated against reaction to Police violence, having turned into nightly entertainment. They accept it like innoculated sheep accept tics.

The British Feminist Government acts hysterically to &#039;terrorism&#039; and like Feminists everywhere who slide the definition of &#039;Rape&#039; downward to include activity no matter how un-rapelike into the frame, so the BritFemGov will likely do with sitting on a roof.

The British Police murdered an innocent Brazilian guy running for a train a year or to back. They have already pushed right up against the average man&#039;s limits. One day an F4J hero will become a martyr.

That will be the moment when previously silent men will stand up and say, &quot;I am Spartacus&quot;.  They will take to their roofs in solidarity. Some will be armed. And for some others, brooding as they have been, the dogs of violence will slip the leash. It will stimulate an over-reaction from BritFemGov. There WILL be a civil conflagration.

British men are among the most tolerant that have ever walked the earth, but like Churchill, can be bull-dogs when roused.

Will American men be allies again, in this cause of even more pressing and essential Justice? Will American men sit on the roof, with their rifles?

Will American MRM leading voices support them or condemn their rightous revolt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too applaud the &#8217;smarts&#8217; of modern sloganeering as used by F4J and the verve they demonstrate selecting targets and scaling roofs. Those guys definitely know how to drag the public&#8217;s tiny attention span back to the issue.</p>
<p>And the potted Usher history (thank you David) is revealing. The civilised urge to be peaceful and patient is commendable but as history so frequently shows us, it can also exacerbate the problem. The closest that F4J got to arousing public outrage was when Jolly sat atop a Judge&#8217;s roof dressed as father Christmas and the dull bugger Judge came out with a shotgun.</p>
<p>Provoking such targets as Harman to doing stupid things is the way to leverage the protest. F4J has some success there when they utilise their Court appearances and let the public ridicule the Bench.</p>
<p>But, the forty years (recall the Hundred year&#8217;s War) demonising and fighting men shows no sign of abating. Patience might be seen as wearing thin and cautious words flow, but maybe patience was misplaced in the first instance. Few movements have lasted such a length of time without having severe and permanent affect on a society.</p>
<p>Our society is in danger of failing altogether. We are non-breeding our way into oblivion, due to Feminism. It is a completely destructive ideology.</p>
<p>Most of the MRM or Men&#8217;s Equality Movement do not advocate violence. I can understand and appreciate its use though. I was employed by the Queen for 20+ years to visit violence upon her enemies. I am well aware that violence has a way of breaking out in unexpected places simply because people&#8217;s tolerance limits differ. I understand that too.</p>
<p>Push Government Minister&#8217;s limits enough and it is THEY who are likely to turn violent. Stupidly. These F4J guys get surrounded by cops under Ministerial direction and &#8216;protection&#8217;. At the Lincoln Memorial Jolly Stansby was assaulted by cops. Armed cops. The American public are innoculated against reaction to Police violence, having turned into nightly entertainment. They accept it like innoculated sheep accept tics.</p>
<p>The British Feminist Government acts hysterically to &#8216;terrorism&#8217; and like Feminists everywhere who slide the definition of &#8216;Rape&#8217; downward to include activity no matter how un-rapelike into the frame, so the BritFemGov will likely do with sitting on a roof.</p>
<p>The British Police murdered an innocent Brazilian guy running for a train a year or to back. They have already pushed right up against the average man&#8217;s limits. One day an F4J hero will become a martyr.</p>
<p>That will be the moment when previously silent men will stand up and say, &#8220;I am Spartacus&#8221;.  They will take to their roofs in solidarity. Some will be armed. And for some others, brooding as they have been, the dogs of violence will slip the leash. It will stimulate an over-reaction from BritFemGov. There WILL be a civil conflagration.</p>
<p>British men are among the most tolerant that have ever walked the earth, but like Churchill, can be bull-dogs when roused.</p>
<p>Will American men be allies again, in this cause of even more pressing and essential Justice? Will American men sit on the roof, with their rifles?</p>
<p>Will American MRM leading voices support them or condemn their rightous revolt?</p>
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		<title>By: Do to Renuka what F4J did to Harriet Harman &#171; Parental Abduction is Child Abuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do to Renuka what F4J did to Harriet Harman &#171; Parental Abduction is Child Abuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark Charalambous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Charalambous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Usher is another FR man who &quot;get&#039;s it&quot;, wr to &quot;feminism.&quot;

David even predates me in the movement.

For many men, it is really a learning curve. Others will simply never get it, for one reason or another.

Usher clearly COMPLETELY understands the POLITICAL/PROPAGANDA value of turning &quot;feminism&quot; into a perjorative.
Again, this is big picture, vision stuff, not compatible with selling toothpaste.

David uses the &quot;f&quot; word even more than me.  He practically puts it in every paragraph.

Bravo, David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Usher is another FR man who &#8220;get&#8217;s it&#8221;, wr to &#8220;feminism.&#8221;</p>
<p>David even predates me in the movement.</p>
<p>For many men, it is really a learning curve. Others will simply never get it, for one reason or another.</p>
<p>Usher clearly COMPLETELY understands the POLITICAL/PROPAGANDA value of turning &#8220;feminism&#8221; into a perjorative.<br />
Again, this is big picture, vision stuff, not compatible with selling toothpaste.</p>
<p>David uses the &#8220;f&#8221; word even more than me.  He practically puts it in every paragraph.</p>
<p>Bravo, David.</p>
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