Compassionate release for Susan Atkins-Whitehouse?

Sharon Tate and her fellow victims never got to say godbye to family and friends.

And if she gets out, she’ll promptly be on the public dole anyway for her treatment, and the taxpayers will still foot the bill.

So the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Let her rot, and let her be buried in a prison grave, with only a number for a marker.

I disagree Gonz. She’s in a hospital bed, with two guards in front of her door. “Releasing” her would basically involve telling the guards to go home. In which case, someone would likely help her to understand what her victims felt when they had the misfortune to meet her. One of them would probably even comment on how “the fork in her stomach wiggled”.

Denis Noe,
What do you think of Act of Congress that denies burial in National Veteran’s Cemeteries for soldiers who have commited apital felony. The Act was pushed by Sen. Arlen Spector and Sen Barbara Mikulski. Intially it was deny all veterans benefits, but what would have happened to heir spouses and children.
Apparently the Act is retroactive since Iraq weterans remains were dug up from Arlington National Cenetery. He had died of drug ovedose in prison. The family could shove his cremated ashes where the sun does not shine.
War messes soldiers minds up as have been repeatedly reported.
Who deserves more compassion, Susan Atkins or soldiers?

anti armchair generals said,

Denis Noe,
What do you think of Act of Congress that denies burial in National Veteran’s Cemeteries for soldiers who have commited apital felony.

(Denise) I wasn’t even aware of this measure until you mentioned it. Perhaps I will have to research it to form an opinion on it.

anti armchair generals: The Act was pushed by Sen. Arlen Spector and Sen Barbara Mikulski. Intially it was deny all veterans benefits, but what would have happened to heir spouses and children.
Apparently the Act is retroactive since Iraq weterans remains were dug up from Arlington National Cenetery. He had died of drug ovedose in prison. The family could shove his cremated ashes where the sun does not shine.
War messes soldiers minds up as have been repeatedly reported.
Who deserves more compassion, Susan Atkins or soldiers?

(Denise) Susan Atkins participated in an evil, vicious crime. Along with others, she intruded into someone else’s home. She threatened people with a knife, repeatedly stabbed a man in the legs, and held a terrified and sobbing woman so she couldn’t escape. Susan Atkins richly deserved to be punished and has been punished. She was repeatedly denied parole and I agree with the parole board.
Right now, Atkins-Whitehouse is terminally ill and disabled. She is confined to bed. Compassionate Release just means the state doesn’t have to pay guards to guard her and would make it easier for her friends and family to visit her or possibly even care for her as she dies.

Compassion is not a virue to be scattered willy nilly. ‘Cast ye not pearls before swine’.

I can have a generalised compassion for anyone terminally ill and extending it to action to make their final days more sociable would under normal circumstances be ‘right’ and reasonable.

But this woman was sent to jail – removed from social intercourse – as a consequence of her actions. She is there to be punished for her crimes, not simply because she may or may not pose a future danger to the public.

Profering her inability to commit further crime as a rationale for compassion is to misunderstand compassion itself, as well as misunderstand Judicial punishment. As is profering her ‘model prisoner’ record and assistance to others in jail. They are immaterial.

This is a wicked women. She has already recieved ‘compassion’ by being incarcerated instead of being executed. The modest stock of compassion that I have is better scattered among the deserving. There are innocents in jail.

Awe, the poor wittle MURDERER is sick and wants to go home. Boo-friggin’-hoo.

Tell ya what, ask Sharon Tate, Abigail Folger and the rest of the people she MURDERED if they’d agree to her going home and I’ll go along with it. But shout real loud, it’s had to hear from six feet under.

She’s a MURDERER. She killed remorselessly and hasn’t shown once she’s ever going to repent her sins.

I only wish CA had the death penalty, we’d never be debating the release of such a callous, heinousness MURDERER to begin with.

Denis Noe,
I wish you would research the military issue further. I also omitted “c” in capital felonies.
But I still tend to agree with the Amfortas “The Oracle of MND”
A woman who had committed similar crimes in Texas as Susan Atkins in California was denied clemency, despite her religious commitment and marryina a minister.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01E6DA1131F932A35752C0A96E958260

Denise Noe
If you do your reserch on VA cemeteries, apparently soldiers who lose their lives to demons of war (PTST) are eligible for burial, but not those who commit capital felony.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-lisold0706,0,814136,print.story

No, Susan Atkins doesn’t deserve any compassion. She has been sitting in jail for too long, and spent so much of our hard earned tax money.

Please let her go now, to save millions of dollars for the taxpayers. Spend our tax money on other social programs, instead. I am sick of seeing her spend one more penny of our money.

thdnet said,

No, Susan Atkins doesn’t deserve any compassion. She has been sitting in jail for too long, and spent so much of our hard earned tax money.
Please let her go now, to save millions of dollars for the taxpayers. Spend our tax money on other social programs, instead. I am sick of seeing her spend one more penny of our money.

(Denise) You should favor granting her Compassionate Release. The state can stop paying people to guard this bedridden and terminally ill murderer.

Denise said: “The state can stop paying people to guard this bedridden and terminally ill murderer.”

The State will not ‘save’ a cent if she is sent home, Denise. The guards are there for others and will be there for the next batch. It is unfortunate that gaols are needed institutions. It does no-one any good confering ‘favour’ on this individual. It would send entirely the wrong message to others.

I know you have a good heart but perhaps you are wearing in on your sleeve here. If you are keen to be compassionate, I could do with some coming my way.

amfortas.
Your encyclopedic knowledge of language and facts allows you to use riddles,parables. Gordian Knots etc to respond and send me to search for explanation
The latest “gaols” sent me again for such a search. For those who are not familiar with the word. here is one Internet explanation I found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaols_Act_1823

I hope I am not taking up too much blog space, m’dear, but I thought you like this that I have to share with you. It is from Barry Beelzebub’s blog in the UK. As you seem to think the authorities could be looking at cost savings for the Atkin’s woman, put her on a diet and chew on this:

…..A HOME Office flunkey proudly announced this week that people charged with murder will no longer be allowed out on bail. The news was presented as some kind of positive step when, in fact, we should be outraged that it ever happened in the first place. At the same time, it was claimed that convicted killers would be made to serve more than half their sentences. Again, why aren’t they already?

But the real legal lunacy of the week came with the release from prison of Abu Qatada after the Home Secretary’s bid to deport him to Jordan was thrown out by the courts.

He’s now out on bail while the Home Office appeals to the House of Lords to try to get the judgement overturned, but it’s his bail conditions that really highlight the barminess of this ruling.

He’s got to live in an MI5 safe house; he must stay indoors 22 hours a day; he can’t use a mobile phone; nobody can enter his home without the Home Secretary’s permission except his wife, his children, his lawyers or a doctor; and – the most ridiculous of all – he’s not allowed to meet or contact Osama bin Laden.

Well, that’s all right then.

In theory he is allowed to work, but I think we can give that one a miss, and the cost to the poor taxpayer of all this is estimated at between £500,000 and a million pounds a year … presumably for ever. It really is enough to make a cat laugh…….

Maybe the Atkin’s diet will carry him off quickly and compassionately too.

I myself think the use of letting those guilty of violent crimes out on bail should be rescinded. If the defendant’s lawyer is putting forward the case that the person isn’t a flight risk, then the courts should only have two options:

Release the defendant on their own recognizance, or keep them in jail.

Quite frankly I think the idea that a rich man can buy his way out of jail (all through the 2-7 year court process) repulsive. This isn’t any different than O.J. buying justice (or injustice).

Bail is just another nail in the coffin in the criminal justices system which is stacked in favor of the rich.

It’s time to create a new jail term: LWOPIOE. That is Life Without Parole at the Inmate’s Own Expenses.

You know, DP (Death Penalty) was reversed to LWP (Life With Possibility of Parole) in 1972, so DP didn’t work. Now many found that LWP for Atkins is not fair for the victims. And LWOP (Life without Parole) becomes too expensive to incarcerate terminally ill inmates. Then the only choice that fits for Susan Atkins is LWOPIOE.

How does this new term LWOPIOE works? Well, make sure the inmate’s family pay in full and up front for all the cost estimated for the rest of the inmate’s life (including the guards’ salary. Then let the inmate’s family or guests visit him/her 24/7, at, let’s say, $100 a pop.

Isn’t it a win-win situation?

anti armchair general:

I agree whole-heartedly with the CraigSpecter/MiKulski provision. It only covers “capital” crimes. In this country, we honor men who died and lived heroically not murderers. A man who commits murder does not deserve to rest in such a field of honor.

For those unfamiliar, here is the individual case to which anti armchair is referring:

January 3, 2007
a href=”http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/rwwagner.htm”>Killer’s ashes removed from Arlington cemetery

The cremated remains of a double murderer have been removed from Arlington National Cemetery and turned over to his sister, the cemetery’s Superintendent said Tuesday.

The removal of Russell Wayne Wagner’s ashes marks a victory for the son of his victims, who waged an 18-month campaign to get the ashes removed.

Vernon Davis of Hagerstown, whose parents were killed by Wagner in 1994, told The (Hagerstown) Herald-Mail he went to the cemetery Saturday morning, and the ashes had been removed.

“I’m pretty well satisfied,” Davis said Tuesday.

Senator Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., along with Senator Larry Craig, R-Idaho, chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, added a provision requiring removal of Wagner’s ashes to a veterans’ bill, which President Bush signed into law last week.

“The removal of Russell Wagner’s ashes closes this tragic chapter for the Davis family,” Mikulski’s office said in an e-mail statement. “My promises made to the Davis family were promises kept, and I am so proud to have not only helped them but to have created a law to ensure that nothing like this will ever happen again.”

Wagner, 52, a Vietnam veteran, died of a heroin overdose in prison in 2005. He was sentenced in 2002 to consecutive life terms for killing the Davises during a burglary. They were found bound and stabbed in their ransacked home.

PTSD is no excuse for murder.

Denise:

As for your concern over Susan Atkins, let her rot.

She showed no mercy to Sharon Tate or the others she was involved in killing. If concern for the feelings of her family is important, perhaps Susan Atkins should have been more concerned with their feelings.

She alone determined her fate. No one else is to blame for the misery she and her family may be suffering.

Susan Atkins is dying of cancer…Well “Jimmy crack corn and I don’t care.”

Will Malvern 16
You certainly have done your research well But were you aware that when I initially called the committee and VA to ask what happens to veterns families (initially the bill would have denied all benefits) the answer was “I don’t know”
This is samall question, I trust the bill covers both genders, not only men, as you stated. Also, haw far in history should we go? WWII, WWI or even Civil War.
By the way did you and Sen. Larry Craig serve in the military. (I served twice and my father was killewd in a war)
For Sen Craig a fitting monument would be to name a Minnesota Airport after him and erect a Linolcolenesque statue of him at the entrance sitting on a toilet seat.

Nope, didn’t serve a second, 4F all the way.

I’m glad you served. Good for you! Sorry you lost your dad.

Is that significant? Is it at all relevant to the subject at hand, or is it just a red herring to divert the discussion?

Obviously the law pertains to both sexes…the term “man” is still the preferred general pronoun for those who have some degree of education and haven’t let themselves be emasculated by the feminists.

How far we should go back is really irrelevant, but the principle stands, we should honor men of honor, not men who commit capital crimes against their fellow citizens.

Remember, Wagner was thrown out for committing a double homicide, not for being a drug addict, a thief, a dead-beat, a bank robber, or any of a thousand different crimes, no his crime was murder…two of them.

Being a veteran doesn’t buy you immunity from paying for your behavior. A veteran is only honorable as long as he acts honorable. Do not confuse honor for service to this nation with a pass on all following activity.

Larry Craig, if you are attempting to goad me, is not of any importance to me beyond being the perfect illustration of Liberal hypocrisy in the way in which he has been treated by the likes of you as compared to “men” like Barney Franks, who lack the honor necessary to be embarassed by their misbehavior.

Susan Atkins has been repeatedly denied parole. I support those denials. The simple fact of the matter is that she knew she was going to the Tate residence to murder anyone who is there. She was one of a gang of invaders into someone else’s home. She menaced Jay Sebring, Sharon Tate, and Abigail Folger with a knife when she ordered them into the living room. She repeatedly stabbed Voytek Frykowski in the legs. She caught Tate when the pregnant actress was trying to flee and put her in a chokehold. Atkins held the struggling woman as she was stabbed to death. These deliberate, pre-meditated acts are so atrocious that they merited lifelong imprisonment regardless of the good works Susan Atkins performed in prison.
However, Atkins is terminally ill. She can’t even get out of bed. She is currently in a hospital OUTSIDE OF THE PRISON — where she is being guarded 24/7. Compassionate release at this point just means she can be transferred to a hospice or something and family and friends could more easily visit her. It is really not that much of a change.

Will Malven.
Since I was unfamiliar with your writings and artwork you admire, I clicked on your link. Others can decide for themselves.
http://houstonconservative.com/opinion.html
Also, because I violated my own advice against “circular firing squad” I will not comment further on your opinions. Do what you will. Will Malvern.
AAG

I know what you mean AAG. It really sucks being called down for your attempts to divert the discussion…especially when you know your are going to lose.

Thanks for the referring link, but really all anyone has to do is click on my name on any post.

By the way, the name is Malven, not Malvern…no “r.” I don’t want you Liberals firebombing the wrong house when you set out to silence me.

It's impossible for the family and friends of Sharon Tate to visit her!!! Let Atkins beg for mercy till she dies, just as she let Sharon beg for mercy till she died! It's a shame that the tax payers have had to pay the bill all this time. A litte while longer isn't going to break the tax payers. Atkins should die and rot where she is.

Compassionate Release my a$$. Let her die a slow miserable death just like she inflicted on her victims! Life in prison without parole means just that. . .you are there until you die. Say hi to Sharon soon. Oh wait, you won't be going to the same place!

This piece of subhuman scum deserves all the pain she is in now. I can only hope it stretches out and her final hours are the most agonizing and horrific that any sub-human being can possibly endure.

Hopefully she'll be dumped at a roadside when she's dead so we can all take turns urinating over her battered corpse.

Well i dont think she needs to have a Mercy she didnt give to Sharon Tate and her baby so We dont need to have Mercy for the Sick Bitch . Nasty women i hope u b in pain

We are told by the bible to forgive, but it doesn’t say forget. To live in the way of the godly person we should forgive this person for murdering sharon and her baby. She was ordered to serve a debt to society. But it wasnt a death penalty i understand that. Send her home with a guard maybe for her family not for her. House arrest, where she can not leave at all. Again for her family not for her.

To Susan Atkins,

Ms. Atinks if you are truly repentant for your heinous actions committed not for personal or economic benefit but because you allowed yourself to become swayed by a sociopatic mad man then cease this endless litigation.

Stop making the taxpayers foot the bill for your selfish desire to get out of prison. Haven’t we paid enough? You are clothed, housed and fed, and on top of that we have had to pay to fend off your numerous parole requests.

Do you realize the amount of money wasted on denying you parole could have put nearly 25 honest hard working non sociopathic students through an entire 4 years of college?

The public is tired of lame apologies. Actions speak louder than words. Accept your fate and die in prison. This is the only way the world will believe you when you state that you are truly sorry.