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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/09/doctor-who-tackles-transgenic-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-64980</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody read Jerry Pournelle much? You might have noticed that MND has been publishing some of his commentary lately.</description>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Roger. You&#039;ve lured Joyanna back to a conversation ! :)

Actually, I think she would make a great Dr&#039;s Assistant. She&#039;s have one of the Tardis&#039; many rooms converted to a drum room in no time. They&#039;d land on some barren rock out beyond the Andromeda Galaxy and Tom would say with that toothy grin, &quot;Come on Joy, lets explore&quot;, and she&#039;d say, &quot;Hang on a bit, you hunk, I have a great riff to practice&quot; but she&#039;d be on his flying coat tails - with her own blond hair flying too - in a minute with notebook in hand to blog a great piece about the Dalek incursions across the borders and Bill Clinton&#039;s role in it. No sexist, feminist stuff either. And she&#039;d outdo all the Drs in the wardrobe department too.

By the way, Joy, there&#039;s a book you must read that has been reviewed as being the next best thing to &#039;Animal Farm&#039;. 

It is &#039;Cry Wolf&#039; by Paul Lake - an American Professor of Lit and a Poet, so you don&#039;t need a transltor - about a &#039;Green Pastures&#039; farm peacefully inherited from a kindly old owner who has died, by the animals. The wild forest outside is populated by predators but gradually the pleasant order of the well run and civilised farm is disrupted by a misplaced compassion that allows &#039;prey&#039; creatures in from beyond the borders. They breed faster than the domesticated old-timers and form voting blocks to express their view &#039;democratically&#039; and no-go areas to &#039;protect&#039; female creatures. Even a fox manages to con his way in.  Gradually the Laws are &#039;interpreted&#039; and the farm&#039;s mottos and maxims are abolished, destroying the cohesion and bringing ruin - and the predators ! At the end, as the bears circle, the last Old Bull girds himself for his last stand....

Not sci fi but in the very best Orwellian tradition of soc fi.

You&#039;d love it. 

Indeed, I think most people who frequent MND would love it.

The review I read was by Hal Colebatch in the Quadrant Journal (Australian, intellectual, slightly Right of Ghengis) and he - usually truculant - was unusually enthusiastic. 

Read or drum, Gal, but write too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Roger. You&#8217;ve lured Joyanna back to a conversation ! <img src='http://mensnewsdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually, I think she would make a great Dr&#8217;s Assistant. She&#8217;s have one of the Tardis&#8217; many rooms converted to a drum room in no time. They&#8217;d land on some barren rock out beyond the Andromeda Galaxy and Tom would say with that toothy grin, &#8220;Come on Joy, lets explore&#8221;, and she&#8217;d say, &#8220;Hang on a bit, you hunk, I have a great riff to practice&#8221; but she&#8217;d be on his flying coat tails &#8211; with her own blond hair flying too &#8211; in a minute with notebook in hand to blog a great piece about the Dalek incursions across the borders and Bill Clinton&#8217;s role in it. No sexist, feminist stuff either. And she&#8217;d outdo all the Drs in the wardrobe department too.</p>
<p>By the way, Joy, there&#8217;s a book you must read that has been reviewed as being the next best thing to &#8216;Animal Farm&#8217;. </p>
<p>It is &#8216;Cry Wolf&#8217; by Paul Lake &#8211; an American Professor of Lit and a Poet, so you don&#8217;t need a transltor &#8211; about a &#8216;Green Pastures&#8217; farm peacefully inherited from a kindly old owner who has died, by the animals. The wild forest outside is populated by predators but gradually the pleasant order of the well run and civilised farm is disrupted by a misplaced compassion that allows &#8216;prey&#8217; creatures in from beyond the borders. They breed faster than the domesticated old-timers and form voting blocks to express their view &#8216;democratically&#8217; and no-go areas to &#8216;protect&#8217; female creatures. Even a fox manages to con his way in.  Gradually the Laws are &#8216;interpreted&#8217; and the farm&#8217;s mottos and maxims are abolished, destroying the cohesion and bringing ruin &#8211; and the predators ! At the end, as the bears circle, the last Old Bull girds himself for his last stand&#8230;.</p>
<p>Not sci fi but in the very best Orwellian tradition of soc fi.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d love it. </p>
<p>Indeed, I think most people who frequent MND would love it.</p>
<p>The review I read was by Hal Colebatch in the Quadrant Journal (Australian, intellectual, slightly Right of Ghengis) and he &#8211; usually truculant &#8211; was unusually enthusiastic. </p>
<p>Read or drum, Gal, but write too.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyanna Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyanna Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhhh...Where&#039;s Tom Baker to save the day? I used to let my five year old stay up on a school night just to watch the Tom Baker series. He learned more vocabulary from Tom than his usual lame studies at school. 

But I agree with amfortas...they are really laying the women on thick. And as the older Dr. Who (Tom Baker) hardly ever visited the earth, this one can&#039;t seem to get off of it and all it&#039;s &quot;new world order&quot; problems. I like this actor, but long for a &quot;Leela&quot; return (now there was a feminist!) ...and the imagination from the older series, of which STAR TREK stole many a plot. 

They seem to be trying for that bored middle-aged woman audience, instead of making it a fun kid&#039;s show...

When they make the doctor a &quot;she&quot; I bet it doesn&#039;t last too long. Even in this age, even the women want a TIME LORD...to be a MAN...at least I speak for myself here. 

And I bet a lot of women will miss &quot;THE DOCTOR&quot; even if he is a bit wussified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhhh&#8230;Where&#8217;s Tom Baker to save the day? I used to let my five year old stay up on a school night just to watch the Tom Baker series. He learned more vocabulary from Tom than his usual lame studies at school. </p>
<p>But I agree with amfortas&#8230;they are really laying the women on thick. And as the older Dr. Who (Tom Baker) hardly ever visited the earth, this one can&#8217;t seem to get off of it and all it&#8217;s &#8220;new world order&#8221; problems. I like this actor, but long for a &#8220;Leela&#8221; return (now there was a feminist!) &#8230;and the imagination from the older series, of which STAR TREK stole many a plot. </p>
<p>They seem to be trying for that bored middle-aged woman audience, instead of making it a fun kid&#8217;s show&#8230;</p>
<p>When they make the doctor a &#8220;she&#8221; I bet it doesn&#8217;t last too long. Even in this age, even the women want a TIME LORD&#8230;to be a MAN&#8230;at least I speak for myself here. </p>
<p>And I bet a lot of women will miss &#8220;THE DOCTOR&#8221; even if he is a bit wussified.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conservativation: I liked the Star Trek TV series as well - with Captain James T. Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty; a very successful television series in the US; with several follow-up series and very successful movies. Note also that Doctor Who is the longest running television series in history. That level of success didn&#039;t come about due to a small dweeb cult following.

It makes no difference to me, of course, whether you are entertained by these shows - as with any entertainment, it&#039;s a matter of personal taste - but do you get the fact that they are very, very popular? They have been culturally significant for decades.

(I also have the original BBC television version of Hitchhiker&#039;s Guide to the Galaxy on DVD - and have read the book as well as other very successful books by Douglas Adams. For fans of such things who haven&#039;t read Adams&#039; stuff - do it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conservativation: I liked the Star Trek TV series as well &#8211; with Captain James T. Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty; a very successful television series in the US; with several follow-up series and very successful movies. Note also that Doctor Who is the longest running television series in history. That level of success didn&#8217;t come about due to a small dweeb cult following.</p>
<p>It makes no difference to me, of course, whether you are entertained by these shows &#8211; as with any entertainment, it&#8217;s a matter of personal taste &#8211; but do you get the fact that they are very, very popular? They have been culturally significant for decades.</p>
<p>(I also have the original BBC television version of Hitchhiker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy on DVD &#8211; and have read the book as well as other very successful books by Douglas Adams. For fans of such things who haven&#8217;t read Adams&#8217; stuff &#8211; do it!)</p>
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		<title>By: conservativation</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Later fans of Dr Who? Those who joined the party based on late night PBS....I have a theory.
A large percentage of these &quot;fans&quot; are really not fans at all, but see Dr Who as a kind of special exclusive club to follow, like gee if I like Dr Who, what with the horrid productions and lame sets, and wacky sound effects and mediocre plots and acting, well if I like that I must be special because I can see whats special about that and that sets me apart from the pedestrians. 

Sorry, folks Dr. Who sucks....I couldnt even watch it for the pretense, let alone for entertainment.

Oh, I suppose I haven&#039;t achieved the level required to &quot;get it&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Later fans of Dr Who? Those who joined the party based on late night PBS&#8230;.I have a theory.<br />
A large percentage of these &#8220;fans&#8221; are really not fans at all, but see Dr Who as a kind of special exclusive club to follow, like gee if I like Dr Who, what with the horrid productions and lame sets, and wacky sound effects and mediocre plots and acting, well if I like that I must be special because I can see whats special about that and that sets me apart from the pedestrians. </p>
<p>Sorry, folks Dr. Who sucks&#8230;.I couldnt even watch it for the pretense, let alone for entertainment.</p>
<p>Oh, I suppose I haven&#8217;t achieved the level required to &#8220;get it&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum: I shall give the plot away here, so close your eyes all who don&#039;t want to know. The Dr&#039;s Daughter, Jenny, sprang fully grown from a machine it seems, (a &#039;generator&#039;- geddit?) using a bit if his DNGalifrA. He never even changed a nappy, the deadbeat. 

Within half an hour she is killed - by a nasty man of course - and after the Dr buggers off all dejected, she is brought back to life by a &#039;Gaia Gas&#039; and goes off to &#039;Independantly&#039; save the Universe, just like her old dad. (and maybe get an education). 

He is blissfully unaware of this and goes on his merry way with that awful woman who masquerades as his assistant (but who would be better suited to washing the Tardis floors, with a tea cloth on her head and a fag** in her mouth). 

Even the pretty black girl with the medical certificate from a post office box No in Yellowknife leaves him, knowing she just cannot compete with Mrs Mop. 

I have a bet pending that the Dr finally carks it in the next few episodes and Miss Who PhD takes over. Clearly his brain is gone already.

Who says Sci Fi is fun. Once a femibred writer get his hands on it, it&#039;s doomed. 

God help me, I wish Rose would come back. The Dr just might get his once in ten thousand years shag before he goes.

** Cigarette, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum: I shall give the plot away here, so close your eyes all who don&#8217;t want to know. The Dr&#8217;s Daughter, Jenny, sprang fully grown from a machine it seems, (a &#8216;generator&#8217;- geddit?) using a bit if his DNGalifrA. He never even changed a nappy, the deadbeat. </p>
<p>Within half an hour she is killed &#8211; by a nasty man of course &#8211; and after the Dr buggers off all dejected, she is brought back to life by a &#8216;Gaia Gas&#8217; and goes off to &#8216;Independantly&#8217; save the Universe, just like her old dad. (and maybe get an education). </p>
<p>He is blissfully unaware of this and goes on his merry way with that awful woman who masquerades as his assistant (but who would be better suited to washing the Tardis floors, with a tea cloth on her head and a fag** in her mouth). </p>
<p>Even the pretty black girl with the medical certificate from a post office box No in Yellowknife leaves him, knowing she just cannot compete with Mrs Mop. </p>
<p>I have a bet pending that the Dr finally carks it in the next few episodes and Miss Who PhD takes over. Clearly his brain is gone already.</p>
<p>Who says Sci Fi is fun. Once a femibred writer get his hands on it, it&#8217;s doomed. </p>
<p>God help me, I wish Rose would come back. The Dr just might get his once in ten thousand years shag before he goes.</p>
<p>** Cigarette, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big sci-fi fan. Nice to see this article at MND. Thanks. I&#039;ve found sci-fi to have more cultural relevance than many (scientifically illiterate) literature and art commentators. Perhaps their traditional feeling that it doesn&#039;t matter - or that sci-fi, fantasy, and horror are all the same thing - or that all sci-fi is the same story being told over and over again - and that sci-fi fans are just warped and dweeby anyway - has allowed it to develop as an important medium for cultural discussion. As science and technology are ever-increasingly more important in real life, and greater scientific knowledge enriches the expression of fantasy (while even increasing believability), seems like the sci-fi geeks have a better grasp of modern culture than anyone - and more ways to discuss it. Too bad sci-fi has been discovered by PC social architects. (I suppose all they really understood was big box office - again and again.) Like the Doctor, sci-fi may now be on its last life.

And hey - it used to be fun.

Here&#039;s an old picture of me with The Doctor (Jon Pertwee, in the role 1970-1974).

http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/other/WHO.jpg

BTW: The TARDIS did seem bigger on the inside. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big sci-fi fan. Nice to see this article at MND. Thanks. I&#8217;ve found sci-fi to have more cultural relevance than many (scientifically illiterate) literature and art commentators. Perhaps their traditional feeling that it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; or that sci-fi, fantasy, and horror are all the same thing &#8211; or that all sci-fi is the same story being told over and over again &#8211; and that sci-fi fans are just warped and dweeby anyway &#8211; has allowed it to develop as an important medium for cultural discussion. As science and technology are ever-increasingly more important in real life, and greater scientific knowledge enriches the expression of fantasy (while even increasing believability), seems like the sci-fi geeks have a better grasp of modern culture than anyone &#8211; and more ways to discuss it. Too bad sci-fi has been discovered by PC social architects. (I suppose all they really understood was big box office &#8211; again and again.) Like the Doctor, sci-fi may now be on its last life.</p>
<p>And hey &#8211; it used to be fun.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an old picture of me with The Doctor (Jon Pertwee, in the role 1970-1974).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/other/WHO.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/other/WHO.jpg</a></p>
<p>BTW: The TARDIS did seem bigger on the inside.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a deep and meaningful conversation can be had around Dr Who adventures. But amid all the scourges and tribulations encountered bt the time-ubiquitous Dr and his Earth-fetish, one factor is overlooked.

Lurking beneath the surface of this last Dr Who series (he cannot regenerate again; he is on his last life) is a creeping menace. Feminism. The whole series has deteriorated under a welter of Independant, sassy women who side-line the Dr., who in turn seems to have become blinded by the charms of the memorable but MIA Rose.

His several, rapid-turnover &#039;assistants&#039; who have considerably less staying power compared to their 60/70s predecessors, interfere and drag their entire fatherless families - including rhumy-eyed grand-dads and welfare dependant mothers and cranky grandmothers - into whole swags of irrelevent script that seem to go on forever. You&#039;d think the the Beloved British of the Dr&#039;s experiences  over ten thousand years, have all turned black or slaggy.

Now for the finale. Bugger transgenics, here comes the FEMALE Dr Who. Yes, it seems that all these years Dr Who has been a &#039;Deadbeat Dr Dad&#039; who left behind a daughter, who comes back with a flip and a lip as a sort of mini, blond, Angelina Jolie, whacking chaps of all species left and right. None of your communication skills and empathy. Just a kick and a zap and the ubiquitous face-slap.

Dr Who is soon to be dead; long live his little girl.

She has 12 lives ahead too.

God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a deep and meaningful conversation can be had around Dr Who adventures. But amid all the scourges and tribulations encountered bt the time-ubiquitous Dr and his Earth-fetish, one factor is overlooked.</p>
<p>Lurking beneath the surface of this last Dr Who series (he cannot regenerate again; he is on his last life) is a creeping menace. Feminism. The whole series has deteriorated under a welter of Independant, sassy women who side-line the Dr., who in turn seems to have become blinded by the charms of the memorable but MIA Rose.</p>
<p>His several, rapid-turnover &#8216;assistants&#8217; who have considerably less staying power compared to their 60/70s predecessors, interfere and drag their entire fatherless families &#8211; including rhumy-eyed grand-dads and welfare dependant mothers and cranky grandmothers &#8211; into whole swags of irrelevent script that seem to go on forever. You&#8217;d think the the Beloved British of the Dr&#8217;s experiences  over ten thousand years, have all turned black or slaggy.</p>
<p>Now for the finale. Bugger transgenics, here comes the FEMALE Dr Who. Yes, it seems that all these years Dr Who has been a &#8216;Deadbeat Dr Dad&#8217; who left behind a daughter, who comes back with a flip and a lip as a sort of mini, blond, Angelina Jolie, whacking chaps of all species left and right. None of your communication skills and empathy. Just a kick and a zap and the ubiquitous face-slap.</p>
<p>Dr Who is soon to be dead; long live his little girl.</p>
<p>She has 12 lives ahead too.</p>
<p>God help us all.</p>
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