Not Manly to Hate Russians

2008-08-12
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Russian media are discussing how John McCain was given a gift by George Bush when the latter seemed to give the green light to the Georgian president to invade South Ossetia with US-trained shock troops on 8-8-08. They are pointing out, correctly I might add, that lower class Democrat males are particularly easy to manipulate when there seems to be a war “against us” that they want to see a “strong response” to.

Never mind how dumb it is to misrepresent and antogonize the people of the largest consumer economy in Europe (Russia surpassed Germany last year for automobile purchases with $34Billion worth of cars and trucks heading there). Never mind how Americans felt it was their duty to protect US citizens in Grenada and Panama (at the time only radical left wingers said that America supposedly invaded Panama to conquer it forever).

Now, of course, everyone with a brain knows how stupid it was for anyone to militarily attack Russians who will never leave South Ossetia and Abkhazia. That has been a disaster, seen clearly from looking at the photos on Russian military blogs like www.milkavkaz.net.

The Russian people are seeing 8-8-8 as the Americans saw 9-11. Whether or not 2000 civilians really were killed by the Georgian attack on South Ossetia, the point is that the American advisors to Georgia probably gave the green light to the horrifying idea that Russian civilian casualties would be accepted by the Russian population with anything less than the rage Americans felt at seeing the World Trade Center fall.

The US needs a Congressional Investigation to see just who might have made this terrifying miscalculation. It may be OK to send death squads against terrorists and drug dealers in the mountains or jungles, but not against our friends the Russians on what they consider their native soil. That would be like someone sending death squads against Americans along the border with Canada or Mexico.

Think about it: if Mexico was having a border dispute with Texas, how would Americans feel if a sudden skirmish left 2000 American townspeople dead? Would it be business as usual regarding the dispute? Or would Americans suddenly up the ante and want regime change in Mexico City?

Furthermore, don’t think most Europeans haven’t noticed that this is exactly like Kosovo but in reverse. This time the US is embarrassingly supporting someone who is using the same rhetoric that Milosevic did about not wanting breakaway province to split away. Even more hypocritically, Bush’s blatant disrespect for Russian men caused him to recognize Kosovo independence even while he was training Georgian death squads from preventing their own Kosovos from splitting.

Don’t think the official US government attitude, that Russian men are drunks and their women “mail order brides”, hasn’t percolated into the sponge-like brains of Bush Neocon war planners.

It is high time for the Neocon reign to end and for responsibily pro-war libertarians to take over the Republican Party.

Read this interesting and amusing take on how Putin might have led the USA better than Bush has since 9-11. More of that kind of article would relieve the boredom I get reading the usual American media swill.

True, some educated (in addition to the redneck) people are talking about how the Russians really wanted (before alleged Georgian massacres in South Ossetia) to take over the entire country of Georgia and crush it like Stalin did, which is fair enough to talk about in addition to other arm-chair theories. Just as valid is that they really are ticked off at the death squad killings of their citizens.

Real conservative men in the US, however, aren’t so quick to agree with George Bush’s opinion on events anymore.

George Bush has systematically destroyed men’s rights in the USA over the past 5 years. Neither Vladimir Putin nor Dmitrie Mevedev has allied with any Russian feminists to take away the rights of Russian men.

So why should American males side with the one who betrayed them without some careful investigation on this matter?

You can be sure that the US feminists, basically in charge of the Republican Party, don’t like Putin.

A real man would, before shooting off at the mouth against our Russian friends, investigate both sides and maybe learn some Russian so he can read the Russian blogs and news sites about this or any future conflict.

Most American men read the book “1984″ in high school. In that book, after the government totally betrayed Winston by disclosing to his girlfriend Julia something he had said to them, Winston settles down in front of the television on the last page of the book and enthusiastically cheers for his nation’s new war against a new enemy that he instantly hates.

The book “1984″ specifically mentions how wars start in order to “protect small allies” even if those allies started things going over minor border disputes. Conservative males condemned Bill Clinton for “Wag the Dog” wars.

Would a real man punch out another man simply because an untrustworthy woman said “He hit me, please hit him back?”

American men are not going to vote for the pro-feminist John Mccain simply because he hates Russia and its strong economy and it’s pro-male anti-communist culture. McCain’s one-sided anti-Russian rhetoric could seriously hurt American businesses dealing with Russia.

The War in Georgia needs to be quickly settled along the lines of the French Peace Proposal that Nicolas Sarkozy has personally delivered to Tbilisi. This would cement the status quo of August 6th and prevent anymore needless military adventurism regarding South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

But Americans, if they were in the Russians’ place, would implement regime change.

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  • anti armchair generals

    Jim Peterson
    What is your opinion of this The Jerusalem Post article about the conflict?
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218446195149&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

  • http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    (Double post, one for each Georgia related article)

    European politicians are ticked off – Russia’s attack in Georgia is an unacceptable war.

    And a Swedish security expert was on the news tonight, having advised the Swedish government that Russia should be removed from the Council of Europe – because they don’t follow the rules that are in the nature of its members. He also mentioned that the G8 is a similar organization. If Russia is allowed to stay, then these can no longer be considered serious organizations and will be ignored.

  • Jim Peterson

    Good find. The Neocon blogosphere wasn’t linking to that one today. I wonder why?

    It is astonishing how ALL the facts are right there for people to see…CNN and Fox News are reporting that the facts…and yet they still spin, so far successfully, that this Saakvashili is some kind of martyr saint.

    The Russians are saying outright that they don’t want to capture and kill him anymore for “war crimes” because that would make him a martyr. They are pulling back and waiting for the next news cycle when the world will wonder if he is just another Milosevic.

    Tonight he has succeeded in getting a US Military Humanitarian Mission involved…where our troops will be driving by Russian troops near Gori all the time. Or that C17 that just flew into Tbilisi might have tons of Sapper missiles that will prolong the war, not end it.

    Scary stuff and this Saakvashili revels in it.

    If it becomes obvious that the Georgians were given wicked new weaponry via these supply trips and the war heats up…Bush needs to be put on trial for provoking WW3.

    The French and Italians and UN…everyone will head for Abkhazia.

    The Russians have won this…unless Bush and Co secretly stir trouble with more weapons that will be used to brazenly approach and attack Russians and with terrorism in the provinces.

    You may not be aware that terror bombs go off in Abkhazia regularly.

    A Russian couple walking hand in hand on the beach Saturday stepped on a terror mine and were blown to bits.

    Somebody wants to kill the tourist economy of Abkhazia.

    Who would do that?

    Russians believe it can only be Georgia’s US educated president, the one who has openly stated he wants to militarily capture the place and plans for this were captured by the Russians today.

    As news of this gets out and the media cycle starts comparing this to Kosovo, McCain’s goose is cooked because he has gone way out on a limb.

    He said “I speak for every American that we are all Georgians today”. WTF?

    I am more South Ossetian today myself.

    Not that I do not love the Georgian people.

  • Jim Peterson

    [Russia’s attack in Georgia is an unacceptable war.]

    You mean Georgia’s attack on Russia right?

    Don’t believe left wing Swedish TV switching the names around about whom attacked whom.

    This is Kosovo in reverse. You didn’t see Sweden trying to kick the USA out of any organization for not following the rules of a civilized country.

    Russia is Sweden’s largest possible trading partner. Your politicians are acting against their interests entirely if they proceed another step with “punishments”.

    They bought $34 Billion in cars and trucks last year. That is more than Germany.

    To the Russians, this negative attitude to them is highly unacceptable and it could affect the visa applications of a lot of European businessmen who might foolishly have called for military action against Russians in writing on a blog somewhere.

    Tonight the Russians started to show that this negativity is unacceptable.

    They asked the USA “Who is your friend: Russia or Georgia?”

    Bush’s answer has to be at least “Both”.

  • http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    “You mean Georgia’s attack on Russia right?”

    – I’m just reporting the news, not making it. :)

    It’s my sense that they may have stepped in some deep doo-doo this time and I don’t think comparative statistics on auto purchases is a sufficient defense. (Does that mean, now that Russia has used up its auto sales points – China, who’s sales have been good, can attack Russia and Russia isn’t allowed to defend itself?)

    The suggestion is now on the table – kick Russia out of the Council of Europe and the G8.

    What’s next? Maybe out of the UN Security Council?

  • Jim Peterson

    It is actually much more than Kosovo because the US had no American citizens in Kosovo to protect.

    The Russians understand they have 1000 times more right to protect these territories as the US had to go bomb Serbia to keep them from attacking Kosovo.

  • http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    Then how do you keep Russia from holding a state in its empire by force instead of fostering democratic independence? That’s been the rub.

  • http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    Jim – I swear I’m still trying to get up to speed on this. I’ve tried to tread carefully through my first feelings that your post here as well as Jerry Pournelle’s on the same subject just seemed odd to me – but I’ve been out of touch with American news and a little busy lately. This apparent crisis took me by surprise. (Not that it’s the first time there’ve been problems in future NATO member Georgia.) Discovering that we’re sending relief supplies, and seeing an Internet video of comments by the prez. (yesterday I think), helped me get up to speed a bit …

    It might help if someone would go beyond The Jerusalem Post article that “anti armchair general” asked about. Even from the information in the article, it’s my impression that the Russian military moved into the soveriegn, democratic nation of Georgia to assist in an armed rebellion against Georgia.

    And I’m not sure I get the idea about abandoning any interest in democracy on the basis of speculation about unnecessary but possibly interesting if you want, future trade?

    BTW: Not sure how well the “my government” label applies to Sweden for me. I’m a US citizen. I only critisize the Swedish government occassionally – ’cause I think they’re ok (any other perspective than as a friend to the country would just make me an unwelcome, unnecessary intruder rather than welcome guest).

  • anti armchair generals

    Wikipedia map of oil pipelines from the Caspian Sea. Could that be one of the sources of conflict?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan

  • http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    “The Russians understand they have 1000 times more right to protect these territories as the US had to go bomb Serbia to keep them from attacking Kosovo.”

    Jim:

    Georgia is not Russian territory. Georgia is not even any longer a member of CIS. Georgia has established aspirations to enter NATO and will eventually be a member.

    Besides that – I can’t make any sense of your comparison. Russia should be able to attack Georgia because the West opposed Serbia attacking Kosovo?

  • DrDamage

    Much is being made of so called “Russian Citizens” in South Ossetia. Simply issuing Russian passports to dissidents in the rebellious province of another country does not magically convert South Ossetia to a Russian possession being attacked by Georgia nor does it establish any legitimate casus belli for the sort of blitzkreig to which the non rebellious provinces of Georgia have been subjected.

    Despite attempts in the media to sanitize Russian imperial designs on the territory of another nation, the truth is that taking posession of South Ossetia was the Russian intention all along having been accomplished first by encouraging (and likely supplying) the separatists, secondly by issuing russian passports to Georgian nationals as if Russian control of South Ossetia was an accomplished fact and thirdly by encouraging South Ossetian separatists to attack other Georgian provinces provoking Georgia into a disastrous attempt to restore order and establishing an (apparent) casus belli for Russian involvement.

  • http://www.geocities.com/rogerfgay/ Roger F. Gay

    If they want to base their propaganda effort on “being Russian citizens,” the right response to the problem is for them to go home. South Ossetia is in Georgia, not their claimed homeland Russia.






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