Thanks.
Biggest Setback to Men in US History
Attention all men: do a quick testicular self-exam. That space you feel between your legs means that Barack Obama and Joe Biden — both on record as ballbusting misandrists — will easily convince you to send them to the White House. If you enable their victory, you will cause the biggest setback to men in US history.
It is Saturday morning, August 23, 2008. All the networks are atwitter about Barack Obama choosing Joe Biden to be his veep. Fawning reporters are camped outside Joe Biden’s “compound” in Wilmington, Delaware, awaiting his appearance at the door, while the Secret Service is ready to whisk him to the airport. From there, Biden will fly to Springfield, Illinois, to join Barack Obama for the formal announcement.
Despite the numerous debates amongst TV’s talking heads, pundits, and partisans about the qualifications Obama and Biden may or may not have to run our country, these pontificators never mention the presidential aspirants’ disdain for men. Never. They never mention VAWA, a four-letter word on TV. That’s because violating the US Constitution, to the detriment of men, isn’t as important a topic as, say, how many homes the candidates own — or the sizes or colors or locations of those homes.
This attitude that men are trivial and irrelevant, and deserve no rights, is precisely why lawmakers, judges, jurists, governors, and presidents continue to ignore the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. I guess that female tears smudge the Constitution’s ink, rendering it impossible to read.
Can’t read the Constitution? Ignore it. In California, domestic violence is still defined as “man hitting woman,” according to Health & Safety Code 124250, even though women commit domestic violence up to 70% of the time. Who cares how many men’s lives are ruined? They’re just disposable tools.
Autophobic Men
Many people believe that misandry, the hatred of men, emanates only from radical feminists. Wrong. Most man-haters are autophobic men. Barack Obama, who taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, squarely established his misandrist credentials on Fathers’ Day 2008, when he unilaterally railed against men as the culprits of fatherless homes. Yet, he failed to lay at least equal blame at the doorsteps of unwed mothers on Mothers’ Day. If he truly respects women as equals, he would have done that.
Recently, pregnant Minnie Driver announced that she will create a fatherless home with this gem, “Today you don’t need a man anymore. In the old days, a baby without marriage and people would put you out. Today you speak about it on talk shows.” Where was Barack Obama to condemn her irresponsibility?
When the divorcing Lara Logan of CBS News “announced” that she had gotten herself knocked up in Iraq up by a married military man, GynObama was nowhere to condemn her irresponsibility. Coddling women is a sign of disrespect for them — and a sign of disregard for men.
Senator Joe Biden, Obama’s new ballbusting partner in crime, is also known as “the father of VAWA.” If you don’t already know about this pernicious law — and shame on you if you don’t — VAWA is the unconstitutional Violence Against Women Act, born in 1994 from the loins of Joe Biden.
The senator from Delaware, who teaches a seminar on constitutional law at the Widener University School of Law, believes — unconstitutionally — that violence against women trumps violence against men. Not only did Biden’s jihad against men result in an unconstitutionally funded ($500M/year) Office on Violence Against Women, he recently proposed that US taxpayers fund 100,000 free lawyers to help women file domestic-violence claims against men. And the law students at Widener are paying to hear Biden’s seminars?
The pundits constantly praise Biden’s expertise in foreign policy, and they’re right: VAWA Joe made it permissible for foreign-born wives of American men, going through divorces, to get automatic Green Cards by falsely accusing their ex-husbands-to-be of domestic violence. No proof, no due process required. This isn’t justice; it’s ballbusting gynojustice — and men living in Delaware keep reelecting its promulgator.
The Ballbusting Duo
An Obama/Biden administration would be a huge disaster for men, and I worry that, as always, they will bury their heads in the sand, ignore the perils, and blithely vote for the ballbusting duo.
Let’s look at how our gynocracy — where women have rights but no responsibilities, and men have responsibilities but no rights — will look after these two misandrists take the helm:
- More PSAs on radio & TV accusing men of being the sole culprits of domestic violence
- More acceptance of sitcoms like Everybody Loves Raymond, in which women hit men for laughs
- More acceptance of comedy skits in which women hit men for laughs
- More acceptance of women like Mary Winkler, who killed her husband in cold blood, with virtual impunity, by using the unprovable abuse excuse
- More misinformation from the American Bar Association about men as the sole instigators of domestic violence
- More condoning of female-on-male violence, as shown by ABC News
- More freedom for women, without prosecution, to falsely accuse men of rape, as Crystal Gail Mangum did to three Duke University lacrosse players
- More freedom for women, without prosecution, to falsely accuse men of domestic violence — as Brooke Hogan did to her father Hulk Hogan, just to please her mother.
The NoNonsense Bottom Line
Anyone with a brain and a pair of eyes knows two things about most American men:
- They believe that violating NBA or NFL rules is atrocious, but violating the US Constitution to benefit women is just fine
- Although the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing proved, without a doubt, that women are strong, powerful, and aggressive, we must continue to pretend that they’re delicate, weak, fragile victims.
If you want to perform self-castration and ruin your manhood, please do so in private. But don’t render the rest of American men impotent by sending the country’s top-two ballbusting misandrists — GynObama and VAWA Joe — to the White House. Their victory in November is impossible without the male vote. So, if you elect them, we’ll know that you failed your testicular self-exam.
About the Author
Marc H. Rudov is a globally recognized radio/TV personality and author of 80+ articles and the books Under the Clitoral Hood: How to Crank Her Engine Without Cash, Booze, or Jumper Cables (ISBN 9780974501727), and The Man’s No-Nonsense Guide to Women: How to Succeed in Romance on Planet Earth (ISBN 0974501719). Mr. Rudov is a regular guest on Fox News Channel’s Your World with Neil Cavuto and The O’Reilly Factor.
Rudov’s books, articles, blog, and podcasts are available at TheNoNonsenseMan.com.
Copyright © 2008 by Marc H. Rudov. All rights reserved.
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Joi said,
This is true… My ex-wife did this to me and she was able to stay here in the US. The courts also gave her our child and as usual I’m the one paying her child support.
August 24, 2008 at 3:30 am
DaPoet said,
Which simply means that a vote for McCain will most likely bring about the exact same result…
August 24, 2008 at 5:19 am
Jim Peterson said,
FReepers want Sarah Palin as McCain’s VP…which is good because she is libertarian and far from feminist. Unfortunately, she is suddenly under investigation for getting an ex brother in law fired from his job as a state trooper…or something strange like that.
August 24, 2008 at 6:18 am
Angry Harry said,
Indeed, both sides are forever seeking to profit from their negative stance towards men - and have done so for years.
Why have they done this? - because it works.
CONCLUSION: MRAs need to undermine both sides - which, in my view, means undermining those very processes that keeps these two sides in power.
And so, for example, when it comes to MRAs ‘electioneering’ (e.g. when elections are shortly due) then it is best that they focus their attention on undermining (’badmouthing’) the party that they do not want to win, rather than ‘goodmouthing’ the party that they would prefer to win.
And, at the moment, in my view, they would be better off encouraging people not to vote at all; because when people vote, they legitimise the whole game - and, currently, the major players in this game are rallied very firmly against men.
Also see …
http://www.angryharry.com/esSelfServingPoliticians.htm
August 24, 2008 at 6:47 am
Marc H. Rudov said,
1) Read my article “The Gutless GOP Snubs Men”
2) Contact the John McCain Campaign to voice your concern
August 24, 2008 at 6:52 am
Angry Harry said,
…
And now, I quote my good self …
“I must point out - yet again! - that MRAs who are concerned about such things should not waste their time trying to get their politicians to do something about them. Nearly all the politicians who get to the top of the tree and stay there are corrupt to the core. And if, indeed, any of them were to be foolish enough to pick up the banner for men’s rights at this particular point in time, then they would rapidly lose a large percentage of the female vote, they would quickly be shunned by the mainstream media and their own colleagues in government, and they would, therefore, swiftly disappear from view.
The media are the key to the success of the MM - but not just the mainstream. And, thankfully, some 80% of active political activists (writers, journalists, musicians, comedians, etc) are men. And it is these men that the MM needs mostly to get on board.
…
August 24, 2008 at 6:59 am
poiuyt said,
He slyly and disingeniously appeals to the nations youth to vote for change. But the changes this man has in mind are those that will seriously undermine and injure the very youths he presumes to speak for.
Obama and Biden represent the worst thing imaginable for the youth of the nation. Under these to elite males, just about every constitutional protection against discrimination and anti-male bigotry will be undone. Undone that is, for the career advantage and economic profit of themselves and the enprostituted women whom they both claim to be working for.
These two bigoted men are likely to institute and or ratify IVAWA and CEDAW respectively. In testament and application of the so called foreign policy experience the older bigot brings.
If there ever was a time the mens movement had to coalesce into a mainstream political force it is now.
August 24, 2008 at 8:07 am
Denis said,
Barack Obama Chooses VAWA Champion as Running Mate;
Hillary Clinton to be Nominated at Convention
Statement of NOW PAC Chair Kim Gandy
Senator Hillary Clinton was our first choice, and that of 18 million primary voters, but presumptive Democratic nominee Senator Barack Obama’s pick, Joe Biden, is a friend of women and a strong selection for Vice President. Biden authored and championed the landmark 1994 Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), winning bipartisan support and unprecedented funding for prevention, shelter and safety. VAWA has twice been reauthorized, each time with increased protections for survivors of violence.
NOW welcomes this important opportunity for one of our champions to participate in a national dialogue around issues that are facing our country and our world. We know that Sen. Biden will bring the crucial issue of violence prevention to the forefront as he travels the country discussing issues of concern to voters, especially women voters.
We will be at the Democratic Convention and look forward to Hillary Clinton’s name being placed in nomination — the first woman to compete in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and the U.S. territories — and to a roll call where her extraordinary accomplishments and deep support will be recognized by the delegates.
At the convention we will also celebrate the life of our sister and friend, Hon. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, at an event honoring Women’s Equality Day , the 88th anniversary of U.S. women winning the right to vote.
We know that Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, is a longstanding opponent of women’s rights, and NOW PAC will actively work to prevent him from succeeding George W. Bush in the White House. At the same time, we will mobilize to support and elect women’s rights supporters at every level of government in November.
So the N.O.W. will be active and visible at the Democratic Convention.
How many MRAs will be active and visible at either the Democratic Convention or the Republican Convention?
August 24, 2008 at 9:32 am
Dabir Dalton said,
Writing to Sen. McCain is an absolute waste of time since when it comes to women he is just as much of a limp noddle as Obama and Biden…
What is needed is a leader in the MM who can rally enough men into a massive demonstration of civil disobedience just like Martin Luther King Jr. was able to rally African-Americans during the civil rights movement during the 60’s…
As of the moment there isn’t a single leader in the MM here in the states who has the guts to try in sight…
August 24, 2008 at 10:51 am
Marc H. Rudov said,
I disagree with you completely. Contacting elected officials and paying lobbyists to influence legislation are the only keys to success.
Putting a bunch of angry men on the Mall — which you’ll never be able to organize — is a total waste of time.
The reason gynocrats keep supporting women and ignoring men is that they hear from women, hear from women’s lobbyists, and never hear from men or men’s lobbyists. Men’s silence is women’s gold.
Men spend a lot of time complaining on MND but never do anything to wake up their representatives. Call up your Congressman to ask how many complaints he’s received about VAWA. I’ll bet he’ll laugh at you.
August 24, 2008 at 11:27 am
Zorik said,
We must use ALL methods at our disposal. We don’t know what will work and not work. Try EVERYTHING. How do we know something won’t work if we haven’t really tried it yet?
Without enough men involved not much will work no matter what the METHOD. But if we had millions of men doing SOMETHING — almost anything — we would be much harder to ignore. It’s a numbers game. Rally your friends and family members.
August 24, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Zorik said,
With all due respect, such statements are defeatest (i.e. unmanly) and also unlikely to be true. If you vote, vote for the lesser evil. There is almost one option that is worse than the other — sometimes far worse.
August 24, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Zorik said,
I agree. Father’s for Justice is doing more along these lines than any group I know of, and they deserve our support.
August 24, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Jim Peterson said,
Sometimes the Republican legislative aides would humor me, by putting me on speaker phone, and laughing hysterically while telling me truthfully that I was the ONLY person in the memory of any of the employees there that had EVER called to complain about feminism or feminist laws or anti-male laws.
They were not laughing at me so much as laughing at my incredulousness about being the only one. I had been asking “how many guys need to call before you take us seriously”. And they answered “Maybe 2 or 3″. And then everyone would start laughing again.
They were serious that I was the only one who had ever called.
I am particularly referring to Senator Norm Coleman’s office for the above anecdote about the speaker phone.
So please do not say calling the Senator would be a waste of time unless you have some horror stories of them blowing you off (which happened to me all too often last fall as well).
I believe it would be extremely negligent of anyone here to not have a broadcast email list of senators and Congresscritters that get your custom mail merge letters every time you have a link to show them (such as one of Marc’s articles) or you have another point to make (or the same point repeated every two months).
Just tonight, I only had to press a few buttons to send the following quickly concocted Email to about 30 Senators and 140 key journalists and bloggers.
Every one of us needs to master broadcast Email technology (Easy Mail Merge Addon for Outlook works great and doesn’t cause your mail to be treated as spam). In addition, someone needs to create and distribute an Excel spreadsheet of the actual Email addresses of all politicians in Congress.
Right now, we are expected to visit each politician’s website and fill out a form and pretend we are constituents and know how to fake a reasonable zip code…just to send a webmail. That is too hard.
They try HARD to stop you from writing to them.
You all KNOW the feminists don’t all visit those stupid “Write Your Congressman” websites where you can only reasonably fire off 2 Emails in 15 minutes.
The feminists have all the key email addresses, including 500 email addresses just for key people in Senate offices, on Excel spreadsheets that they pass around. They write one letter in Outlook, press a button, and that letter goes to all 500 people with first names in the Dear line.
We do not have this. We blindly write to Dear Sir or Madam at best.
Anyway, here is what I wrote to 30 Senators and 100+ journalists and bloggers. One major talk show host wrote me back and told me he would read MND and do a show on this tomorrow:
If you are Republican, you can hit the ball out of the park commenting on the foolish selection of Joseph Biden by Barrack Obama (whom I had actually been planning to vote for).
Read http://www.mensnewsdaily.com to see that Biden is known as the gofor boy of the National Organization for Women (radical feminists who do not represent women).
The so-called Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), that Biden considers to be his proudest accomplishment, is highly controversial because it actually encourages women to make false accusations against men and benefit greatly. Its IMBRA section allows the government to hinder and even block men and foreign women from saying hello to each other. The name of VAWA itself violates the 14th Amendment + the Constitution never authorized Congress to fund feminist organizations or make domestic violence a federal issue.
The entire “Male Democrat” voting block is now in play…all Republicans need to do is inform them of Biden’s stark feminist pandering.
Most American women do NOT identify with feminists. Have the guts to make this an issue.
Please read the press release from the National Organization for Women below. They say they hate McCain anyway. Why can’t McCain fire back at them?
Remember: the NOW does NOT represent women in general.
August 24, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Zorik said,
August 24, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Dabir Dalton said,
The turning point came during the Civil Rights Movement when the general public was moved to demand that the Federal Government become involved after watching the dogs being turned lose on the marchers in Alabama on national television…
Only then the cruelty and the unfairness of the Jim Crow laws in the south could no longer be hidden, ignored and denied…
Writing McCain, Obama, Biden or any other politician at best will only garner a polite response if any because they have already been bought and paid for by those who stand to gain from the status quo…
One day a leader will arise in the MM who will be able to inspire and gather a following of men who will follow in the footsteps of Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Marchers…Sadly they will be condemned by the current crop of leaders in the MM who unfortunately don’t have the balls to come out from behind the internet fiefdoms they rule with an iron hand and from which they make their living…
August 24, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Marc H. Rudov said,
Lots of nice theories. Name a legislative achievement of F4J. Scaling the Lincoln Memorial is not an achievement.
When is your march-for-men scheduled, and where will you hold it? How many men have signed up so far?
The only way to dismantle the gynocracy is to overwhelm the current gynocrats with disapproval, to support pro-male lobbyists, and to stop electing more gynocrats.
I’ve asked you to express your dismay to John McCain. Have you done it? Have you called his office? MND is not the place to get it done.
August 24, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Angry Harry said,
It does not matter how many times you contact these officials. If they believe that supporting Mens Rights will lose them votes (which is currently the case) then they will not do anything to support Men’s Rights.
First and foremost, MRAs need to change the public’s perception - and you seem to understand this; judging by your own activism.
After all, how much time do **YOU** spend “contacting elected officials” etc etc etc - in comparison to the amount of time that you spend writing, and appearing on the TV, and doing your radio show?
At the moment, we need more men doing what you are doing; standing up to the current orthodoxy in front of an audience and changing people’s minds.
Dabir Dalton “The turning point came during the Civil Rights Movement when the general public was moved to demand that the Federal Government become involved … ”
Correct!
August 24, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Marc H. Rudov said,
I have spent a lot of time contacting elected officials, always discovering that I am the ONLY one to do so. “Gee, Mr. Rudov, we’ve never heard anyone else complain about VAWA before. What’s wrong with it? Why are you the only one complaining?” This kind of response means that men do not care, and I state this in every article I write. Sounding off on MND is not the same as taking action.
Your logic is totally flawed. Instead of blasting gynocrats, men vote for them. Men comprise 46% of the electorate. As I stated in my article, Obama/Biden cannot get elected without the male vote. Guess what: men WILL vote for them!
Men like to complain at MND but never do anything else. Go take action, where it counts: not here.
August 24, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Angry Harry said,
And where did it get you, Marc?
By your own admission, Nowhere.
“Instead of blasting gynocrats, men vote for them.”
In other words, you have just endorsed my various points above - viz; that we need to change men’s views. And the ONLY way to do this is to gain their attention and change their views!
“Men like to complain at MND but never do anything else. Go take action, where it counts: not here.”
What we need is more men doing what you are doing.
You, Glenn Sacks, Bernard Chapin - standing up and changing minds.
August 24, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Zorik said,
Maybe F4J has not achieved any legislative changes YET, but they are raising awareness of the issues. That is a precursor to legislative changes.
Marc, your books, to my knowledge, have not caused any legislative changes either (please correct me if I’m wrong) but that does not mean they are not achieving anything.
Writing to reps and taking actions like F4J are two methods that COMPLEMENT each other. Both are showing the world that at least some men do care about thier rights. We need both types of actions — as well as others like books, flyers, etc. It’s not one approach or the other.
August 24, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Angry Harry said,
Yes, we do.
But, at the moment, as Marc himself pointed out, ‘men’ still vote for the gynocracy.
And, of course, while they continue to do this, the elected officials will not *dare* to argue for men’s rights.
They would be crazy to do so.
In other words, we have to change the way that ‘men’ - and, indeed, ‘women’ - see things.
And this means reaching out to ‘men’ and to ‘women’; which is precisely what Marc himself is doing.
Marc’s ‘problem’ - OUR problem - is that we have yet to gain enough attention.
August 24, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Zorik said,
Dalton, please don’t be so hard on those who have accomplished the most.
You can always start your own fiefdom (website) and your own march. And I will probably (no blank checks) support it when you do!
August 24, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Marc H. Rudov said,
Marc “I have spent a lot of time contacting elected officials”
And where did it get you, Marc?
By your own admission, Nowhere.
Rudov’s Response:
My action as a sole person cannot overturn bad legislation. The reason I got nowhere is because other men did nothing, as usual.
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Zorik wrote:
Marc, your books, to my knowledge, have not caused any legislative changes either (please correct me if I’m wrong) but that does not mean they are not achieving anything.
Rudov’s Response:
My books are not intended to, and cannot, cause legislative changes. It’s silly to think they can. The only way to create legislative change is to gain influence with legislators.
Go to http://cafcusa.org. Michael Robinson gets it done for men the real way — but most men, whom he is helping, don’t even want to support him.
==========================================
Stop looking for leaders to do your work. Take action yourself. If you spent as much time getting your friends to call their Congressmen as you do on MND, you’d see a difference.
August 24, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Angry Harry said,
It seems to me that you have got a blind spot when it comes to making the connections that I and others are trying to point to.
So. Let me put it this way.
I would rather see you spending your time appearing on the TV and writing your articles etc etc etc, than hiding away in some corner emailing government officials.
Furthermore, without wishing to seem too obsequious, your work is very inspiring, and it will most definitely be ‘making a difference’ out there. The only problem is the ’size’ of your audience and, of course, the amount of time over which you can capture its attention.
In other words, if we could push your views out to millions, it would have a huge impact.
Of course, I do understand your frustration, and I also understand what you are getting at; but, from my experience, you are wasting your time trying to get MRAs who come to MND (or wherever) to do the things that you want.
Thus, …
Step 1: Get a large audience.
Step 2: Fire them up - and motivate them to activate in some way - **ANY** way they choose. (Some will just bitch, some will write articles, some will contact their officials, some will just further advertise your presence and, importantly, loftier folk with power and know-how might be motivated to do their bit behind the scenes - or do whatever they are ‘expert’ at doing.
We have to change the ‘psychology’ out there. And this means getting attention.
“My books are not intended to, and cannot, cause legislative changes. It’s silly to think they can.”
**THAT** is your ‘blind spot’ in action.
August 24, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Marc H. Rudov said,
I have no blind spot, I am not hiding in a corner (as anyone can see), and I have nothing else to say on the matter.
Good luck.
August 24, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Angry Harry said,
No-one suggested that you were.
August 24, 2008 at 4:29 pm
amfortas said,
America needs a Mississippi diverted through its White House and its Court Houses, its Town Halls and its beaurocracies. It is so deep in self-hating corrupt scum that nothing short of a revolution will restore any semblance of a Constitution of the order that it once had.
Write to or phone a giggling yob in a politician’s office? Pull the other one. This is self-demeaning. Such little shits need a hot poker shoved up their arses, not a second chap phoning them to complain about feminism. And there are millions of these giggling, mincing alfalfas cluttering up the public payroll.
But if ten million men wrote in AMFORTAS on their ballot papers, that would send a message. 20 million would scare Obama’s turds out and dump them on Joe Bidet. 50 million would give me the Chair.
And I would give you the FMJs to do the job that needs doing.
For God’s sake and for everyone else’s, Vote #1 Amfortas, Otherwise put yourselves up for it.
August 24, 2008 at 10:37 pm
MenAreGood said,
My own personal opinion is that contacting elected officials will do NOTHING at all. Anyone in office, running for office now, or in the near future will not touch this subject for fear of alienating women AND pro-feminist male voters.
The only way this movement can succeed is mass demonstrations, television appearances like Marc Rudov’s, and getting to young males in high school and college before they marry. It must be ingrained into young males heads early that there should be a nationwide moratorium on marriage. This is key. Not giving women marriage and all of its benefits (children, houses, cars, vacations, diamond rings) will devistate them. As much as women think they are independent strong and secure, the VAST majority want marriage, kids and all the percs.
This is their weak spot and if you hit them there they will crumble.
Men regularly vote for gynocrats, get married, have kids, co-habitate with women and fund womens lives.
If we can somehow change their minds and show them what is really happening out there and they stop marrying American women and having kids with them, then this will be a turning point. If men need to get married and have kids, there best chances are with no western foreign women.
I dont have all the answers and I am not purporting to have them all in this comment but I do remember that the womens movement in the 60’s was fundamentally based on public protest of all kinds everywhere, and the manipulation of the young females mind when they were still young.
August 25, 2008 at 6:22 am
Zorik said,
Don’t be so negative. If enough anti-feminist men AND women write to them, they will start to fear not losing OUR votes also, even if they won’t touch it publicly at this time. We have to use every way possible to let them know we are out here and that we care. How long does it take to write to your rep? Hardly any time at all.
Every time someone comes up with an idea — even an easy one — other people piss all over it. That is not helpful.
August 25, 2008 at 12:20 pm
SM777 said,
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Aaaahh. A marriage strike. Now we’re talking. This and voting Libertarian is the way to go. Want a meaningful relationship? Get a pet! Want great sex? Get a good hooker!
Completely shutting down the institution of marriage for a couple of generations will likely solve the entitlement princess problem.
If you really enjoy pissing women off, talk with them about anti-peonage laws!
August 25, 2008 at 12:50 pm
DKSanctuary said,
August 25, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Marc H. Rudov said,
Stop squawking about how to raise 15-year-old boys. Take care of YOURSELF. Do something about YOURSELF. Pick up the damned phone. Call your senators and reps to chew out their asses about VAWA. If you don’t have the balls to do this, you aren’t a man and have no right to complain about losing your rights.
Anyone who deems calling his reps and contributing to men’s lobbyists a waste of time is lazy and scared — and is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
The reason the feminist agenda runs this country is that men are eunuchs who sit around bellyaching about feminists instead of fighting them. Politicians always listen to the squeaky wheels who contribute the most money. Men don’t squeak and contribute no money. Instead, they don superhero outfits and climb statues — and the politicians keep ignoring them.
Sitting idly by and sulking are what today’s American men do best.
August 26, 2008 at 4:20 am
Zorik said,
August 26, 2008 at 11:03 am
MenAreGood said,
What I see are men using every excuse in the book to avoid hammering their representatives. This is a cowardly copout.
Stop squawking about how to raise 15-year-old boys. Take care of YOURSELF. Do something about YOURSELF. Pick up the damned phone. Call your senators and reps to chew out their asses about VAWA. If you don’t have the balls to do this, you aren’t a man and have no right to complain about losing your rights.
Anyone who deems calling his reps and contributing to men’s lobbyists a waste of time is lazy and scared — and is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
The reason the feminist agenda runs this country is that men are eunuchs who sit around bellyaching about feminists instead of fighting them. Politicians always listen to the squeaky wheels who contribute the most money. Men don’t squeak and contribute no money. Instead, they don superhero outfits and climb statues — and the politicians keep ignoring them.
Sitting idly by and sulking are what today’s American men do best.
MenAreGood says,
In this thread it has been said that you get laughed at when you call to complain about VAWA. And how does anyone know what I have done for the mens rights movement. You all assume to much when you say dont be negative. You guys are lost my friends. You think you are a bunch of know it alls but your not. Only a massive marriage strike, moratorium on marriage and massive demonstrations and TV blitzes are going to change the problem. THEN and only THEN will calling a political representative actual help and make sense. I have called, written letters, posted on womens websites and mens websites and saved dozens of young men in my local area from getting married and making the mistakes of handing your balls over to the state by talking to them. I have spent many many hours in this fight.
Marc, I think you have no class when you say someone who doesn’t call their representative is lazy and scared. I wouldnt judge you that way. You do what you do and I do what I do. I am not lazy and not scared and I have lost respect for you completely and instead of shaming you the way you shame other men on this thread then you have just lost a customer and a reader becuase I will never buy your crap anymore or read any articles.
I DO take care of myself. I own my own busines, my own home, I dont take womens shit or I dump them. The fact of the matter is that I DONT sit around and watch sports, I have never handed my balls to a women and gotten married before and I have never gotten a women pregnant. I have done nothing but work on my own life, going my own way, contributing to this loser feminist society as little as possible and because I posted my OPINION that calling a rep AT THIS TIME is a waste of time and I get called lazy, cowardly and sitting Idly by bullshit. I HAVE picked up the phone. I HAVE written letters. IT DOESNT WORK. It WILL work if it is mass organized. Then I agree that it will work. But in my opinion, the couple of dozen lives I saved by talking to young men and explaining to them the real problems, is worth 10,000 of your stupid phone calls. You know what my friends, you can go fight your own war, and I’ll do my part and not buy your stupid books, read your articles, and post on websites anymore so you can make money and belittle other men all you want. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM MY FRIEND WITH YOUR ELITIST ATTITUDES.
And I like how you’re using shaming language. Isnt that what you accuse women of doing. Cant you engage in discussing the matter without being so pompous and so touchy. BYE BYE fellas. Good luck
August 26, 2008 at 1:13 pm
MenAreGood said,
Nice shaming language. Don’t you accuse feminists of this tactic? Why don’t you show some class to fellow MEN who are standing next to you and fighting with you. Then again you have proved by your comments that you have no class and I will never buy any of your books or read your articles. You have no idea who I am, what I do everyday and how involved and what I’ve done for the MRA movement.
Take away babies, marriage and financing from women and they will cave and THEN going to your representatives once you have something to stand on and then you will actually make progress. OR, if you organize a mass blitze of contacting representatives I will happily be a part of that. But a literal handful of guys calling representatives is like chipping away at the moon with a spoon. And remember this my friend, I have spent time from my own life, without getting paid, while other men are watching sports all the time, and have saved dozens of young men from walking down the isle and ruining there lives. They’re not as stupid as some people think and they know what’s going on.
So go continue your shaming language on guys who dont agree exactly the way you do but just remember that as you stand on your ivory tower you may realize one day that noboby is standing next to you.
August 26, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Marc H. Rudov said,
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August 27, 2008 at 6:00 am
Marc H. Rudov said,
Shaming tactics are exactly what I’m using. The reason VAWA exists is that men allow it to exist and keep voting for the gynocrats who perpetuate it.
Ivory tower? Have you exposed your real name to take a stand against feminism? Who are you? Have you challenged the gynocracy on international radio & TV, exposing your face to millions of people around the world? Have you won an award from the National Coalition of Free Men? I’ve done all of that.
Until you have a public resume, feel free to cut off your nose to spite your face — in anonymity. More people are on my side than you will ever know.
August 27, 2008 at 7:37 am
Angry Harry said,
@MenAreGood - I can see why you are angry at Marc; but I do understand why he is getting so wound up. It is very frustrating to see how little effort **most** MRAs put into helping the cause - though, clearly, this does not apply to your good self.
Furthermore, the notion expressed somewhere above that MRAs like Marc are simply making money out of the MM is just not true.
There is not one single MRA round here who is making any decent money fighting for the cause. I wish that they were doing so, because, in fact, we need MRAs to be able to make money by fighting for the cause. How else can we grow our infuence - in practice?
(I run three websites and numerous blogs - **total** annual **GROSS** INCOME $400 - Annual donations $100.)
Here is an example of the lack of effort by most MRAs.
About six years ago, I had a short poll on the top of my front page of angryharry so that I could “assess the attitudes of my most excellent readers”. It asked questions about the views of readers concerning their attitudes to five issues; e.g. Do you think that the war on drugs should be stopped?
Just five questions - with Yes/No answers; i.e. less than a minute’s work to answer them.
About 3500 people visited that front page over two days.
How many took the trouble to answer the poll?
64
Another example …
For about a year, I once fairly heavily advertised Warren Farrell’s Myth of Male Power and provided an Amazon link for those who wanted to buy it.
Total annual sales of the book via the link?
About 6 or 7; despite the fact that the webpage had received some 2 million visits over that year.
Another example.
A long-time non-internet UK MRA (whose name I will not mention) spent some 20 years providing assistance to men who were falsely accused. His constant beef to me usually went something like this.
“I spent about 200 hours trying to help him with his case, and, in the end, we won. But I couldn’t get him to donate more than $10 to the charity and/or but he had no interest in doing anything to help others who found themselves in his own situation.”
And I could give you many more examples.
So Marc is absolutely justified in feeling angry about the lack of effort by ***most*** MRAs.
And my message to him is this.
Just do your own thing - because your work is fantastic. And you are also most definitely helping to destroy the intimidatory weapons of political correctness - which, by the way, is why so many MRAs cannot reveal their true identities. (They have jobs and careers that they simply cannot afford to lose by speaking out.)
August 27, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Zorik said,
MenAreGood, said: “And how does anyone know what I have done for the mens rights movement. You all assume to much when you say dont be negative.”
I did not mean to say you didn’t do anything or that your overall approach was negative. I just thought you were too negative on that one issue of writing to your rep. It can’t hurt and might help and for me it’s easy, so why not? Whether or not they listen depends on your rep I guess. At least it helps get us on their radar screen. Anyway, I won’t keep arguing the point. My apologies if I didn’t explain myself very well.
August 28, 2008 at 2:50 pm
daveinga said,
saying we are not making progress is not exactly true. when my son was removed from my life 30+ years ago there was no one who even saw the injustices involved in the corrupt courts. feminists have run rampant for over 40 years in the legal and legislative bodies w/o so much as the meekest challenge, until MRA’s/FRA’s/F4J’s, etc. stepped forward. anything they wanted, they need only stand before a camera and say ALL women need this, and it was done.
examples of our effect on their dynasty are everywhere. people now know the evil of partial birth abortions, and children surviving botched abortions are starting to get consideration. women are actually arrested and sometimes jailed for having sex w/ minors. men are starting to get support from the communities for trying to remain in their children’s lives. many people are becomming aware of DV against men and how one sided enforcement hurts children. every time some stupid judge lets some “mother” off the hook for rape, murder, or whatever, the bloggers everywhere are all over it. we are no longer alone. false accusations of rape and DV are now being talked about. men are thinking twice about agreeing to sign a one-sided “marriage partnership”.
we are all making a difference in our own way, whether it is talking to friends at work or at the pub, or writing eloquent articles highlighting this topic or that. what matters is that we are collectively stirring the pot. it is set to boil. i think what i hear is that we now need to turn up the volume. so be it. we are an army now and not just a few anymore; and, we are scattered all over the world. but we do have one thing going for us that wasn’t there 30 years ago. we have a free media at our fingertips. that is what really got our positions “out there”.
next move? i suggest we each get even more involved. make a personal vow to do one more thing. whether it is to write or email a congressman or whatever, we need to step it up. each and every one of us. it took us 40 years to get into this mess, and it may take quite a while to get us out of it.
did i just hear another lightning strike?
August 29, 2008 at 5:19 am
Zorik said,
But I don’t think we should shame each other just because we have different ideas on what will or will not work.
August 29, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Dabir Dalton said,
With the MSM and the politicians in both parties in cahoots with the feminists leading the charge in the war against men and boys…A letter campaign by a handful of divorced men will simply be dismissed out of hand unless they can get the attention and support of the general public…F4J and the Civil Rights Leaders of the 1960’s have shown the way the question that begs to be answered is do the current leaders of the MM have the guts to follow down that path?…
Sadly the answer is NO!…
August 30, 2008 at 1:15 am
Zorik said,
August 31, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Zorik said,
Can this be done in a way that inspires the troops and stirs them to action without offending them? I don’t know, but if we can figure out how we might take a great step forward.
August 31, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Roxtar said,
September 8, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Roxtar said,
October 12, 2008 at 9:58 am