Can this be done in a way that inspires the troops and stirs them to action without offending them? I don’t know, but if we can figure out how we might take a great step forward.

With the MSM and the politicians in both parties in cahoots with the feminists leading the charge in the war against men and boys…A letter campaign by a handful of divorced men will simply be dismissed out of hand unless they can get the attention and support of the general public…F4J and the Civil Rights Leaders of the 1960’s have shown the way the question that begs to be answered is do the current leaders of the MM have the guts to follow down that path?…

Sadly the answer is NO!…

But I don’t think we should shame each other just because we have different ideas on what will or will not work.

saying we are not making progress is not exactly true. when my son was removed from my life 30+ years ago there was no one who even saw the injustices involved in the corrupt courts. feminists have run rampant for over 40 years in the legal and legislative bodies w/o so much as the meekest challenge, until MRA’s/FRA’s/F4J’s, etc. stepped forward. anything they wanted, they need only stand before a camera and say ALL women need this, and it was done.

examples of our effect on their dynasty are everywhere. people now know the evil of partial birth abortions, and children surviving botched abortions are starting to get consideration. women are actually arrested and sometimes jailed for having sex w/ minors. men are starting to get support from the communities for trying to remain in their children’s lives. many people are becomming aware of DV against men and how one sided enforcement hurts children. every time some stupid judge lets some “mother” off the hook for rape, murder, or whatever, the bloggers everywhere are all over it. we are no longer alone. false accusations of rape and DV are now being talked about. men are thinking twice about agreeing to sign a one-sided “marriage partnership”.

we are all making a difference in our own way, whether it is talking to friends at work or at the pub, or writing eloquent articles highlighting this topic or that. what matters is that we are collectively stirring the pot. it is set to boil. i think what i hear is that we now need to turn up the volume. so be it. we are an army now and not just a few anymore; and, we are scattered all over the world. but we do have one thing going for us that wasn’t there 30 years ago. we have a free media at our fingertips. that is what really got our positions “out there”.

next move? i suggest we each get even more involved. make a personal vow to do one more thing. whether it is to write or email a congressman or whatever, we need to step it up. each and every one of us. it took us 40 years to get into this mess, and it may take quite a while to get us out of it.

did i just hear another lightning strike?

MenAreGood, said: “And how does anyone know what I have done for the mens rights movement. You all assume to much when you say dont be negative.”

I did not mean to say you didn’t do anything or that your overall approach was negative. I just thought you were too negative on that one issue of writing to your rep. It can’t hurt and might help and for me it’s easy, so why not? Whether or not they listen depends on your rep I guess. At least it helps get us on their radar screen. Anyway, I won’t keep arguing the point. My apologies if I didn’t explain myself very well.

@MenAreGood – I can see why you are angry at Marc; but I do understand why he is getting so wound up. It is very frustrating to see how little effort **most** MRAs put into helping the cause – though, clearly, this does not apply to your good self.

Furthermore, the notion expressed somewhere above that MRAs like Marc are simply making money out of the MM is just not true.

There is not one single MRA round here who is making any decent money fighting for the cause. I wish that they were doing so, because, in fact, we need MRAs to be able to make money by fighting for the cause. How else can we grow our infuence – in practice?

(I run three websites and numerous blogs – **total** annual **GROSS** INCOME $400 – Annual donations $100.)

Here is an example of the lack of effort by most MRAs.

About six years ago, I had a short poll on the top of my front page of angryharry so that I could “assess the attitudes of my most excellent readers”. It asked questions about the views of readers concerning their attitudes to five issues; e.g. Do you think that the war on drugs should be stopped?

Just five questions – with Yes/No answers; i.e. less than a minute’s work to answer them.

About 3500 people visited that front page over two days.

How many took the trouble to answer the poll?

64

Another example …

For about a year, I once fairly heavily advertised Warren Farrell’s Myth of Male Power and provided an Amazon link for those who wanted to buy it.

Total annual sales of the book via the link?

About 6 or 7; despite the fact that the webpage had received some 2 million visits over that year.

Another example.

A long-time non-internet UK MRA (whose name I will not mention) spent some 20 years providing assistance to men who were falsely accused. His constant beef to me usually went something like this.

“I spent about 200 hours trying to help him with his case, and, in the end, we won. But I couldn’t get him to donate more than $10 to the charity and/or but he had no interest in doing anything to help others who found themselves in his own situation.”

And I could give you many more examples.

So Marc is absolutely justified in feeling angry about the lack of effort by ***most*** MRAs.

And my message to him is this.

Just do your own thing – because your work is fantastic. And you are also most definitely helping to destroy the intimidatory weapons of political correctness – which, by the way, is why so many MRAs cannot reveal their true identities. (They have jobs and careers that they simply cannot afford to lose by speaking out.)

Shaming tactics are exactly what I’m using. The reason VAWA exists is that men allow it to exist and keep voting for the gynocrats who perpetuate it.

Ivory tower? Have you exposed your real name to take a stand against feminism? Who are you? Have you challenged the gynocracy on international radio & TV, exposing your face to millions of people around the world? Have you won an award from the National Coalition of Free Men? I’ve done all of that.

Until you have a public resume, feel free to cut off your nose to spite your face — in anonymity. More people are on my side than you will ever know.

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Nice shaming language. Don’t you accuse feminists of this tactic? Why don’t you show some class to fellow MEN who are standing next to you and fighting with you. Then again you have proved by your comments that you have no class and I will never buy any of your books or read your articles. You have no idea who I am, what I do everyday and how involved and what I’ve done for the MRA movement.

Take away babies, marriage and financing from women and they will cave and THEN going to your representatives once you have something to stand on and then you will actually make progress. OR, if you organize a mass blitze of contacting representatives I will happily be a part of that. But a literal handful of guys calling representatives is like chipping away at the moon with a spoon. And remember this my friend, I have spent time from my own life, without getting paid, while other men are watching sports all the time, and have saved dozens of young men from walking down the isle and ruining there lives. They’re not as stupid as some people think and they know what’s going on.

So go continue your shaming language on guys who dont agree exactly the way you do but just remember that as you stand on your ivory tower you may realize one day that noboby is standing next to you.

What I see are men using every excuse in the book to avoid hammering their representatives. This is a cowardly copout.

Stop squawking about how to raise 15-year-old boys. Take care of YOURSELF. Do something about YOURSELF. Pick up the damned phone. Call your senators and reps to chew out their asses about VAWA. If you don’t have the balls to do this, you aren’t a man and have no right to complain about losing your rights.

Anyone who deems calling his reps and contributing to men’s lobbyists a waste of time is lazy and scared — and is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The reason the feminist agenda runs this country is that men are eunuchs who sit around bellyaching about feminists instead of fighting them. Politicians always listen to the squeaky wheels who contribute the most money. Men don’t squeak and contribute no money. Instead, they don superhero outfits and climb statues — and the politicians keep ignoring them.

Sitting idly by and sulking are what today’s American men do best.

MenAreGood says,

In this thread it has been said that you get laughed at when you call to complain about VAWA. And how does anyone know what I have done for the mens rights movement. You all assume to much when you say dont be negative. You guys are lost my friends. You think you are a bunch of know it alls but your not. Only a massive marriage strike, moratorium on marriage and massive demonstrations and TV blitzes are going to change the problem. THEN and only THEN will calling a political representative actual help and make sense. I have called, written letters, posted on womens websites and mens websites and saved dozens of young men in my local area from getting married and making the mistakes of handing your balls over to the state by talking to them. I have spent many many hours in this fight.

Marc, I think you have no class when you say someone who doesn’t call their representative is lazy and scared. I wouldnt judge you that way. You do what you do and I do what I do. I am not lazy and not scared and I have lost respect for you completely and instead of shaming you the way you shame other men on this thread then you have just lost a customer and a reader becuase I will never buy your crap anymore or read any articles.

I DO take care of myself. I own my own busines, my own home, I dont take womens shit or I dump them. The fact of the matter is that I DONT sit around and watch sports, I have never handed my balls to a women and gotten married before and I have never gotten a women pregnant. I have done nothing but work on my own life, going my own way, contributing to this loser feminist society as little as possible and because I posted my OPINION that calling a rep AT THIS TIME is a waste of time and I get called lazy, cowardly and sitting Idly by bullshit. I HAVE picked up the phone. I HAVE written letters. IT DOESNT WORK. It WILL work if it is mass organized. Then I agree that it will work. But in my opinion, the couple of dozen lives I saved by talking to young men and explaining to them the real problems, is worth 10,000 of your stupid phone calls. You know what my friends, you can go fight your own war, and I’ll do my part and not buy your stupid books, read your articles, and post on websites anymore so you can make money and belittle other men all you want. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM MY FRIEND WITH YOUR ELITIST ATTITUDES.

And I like how you’re using shaming language. Isnt that what you accuse women of doing. Cant you engage in discussing the matter without being so pompous and so touchy. BYE BYE fellas. Good luck

Stop squawking about how to raise 15-year-old boys. Take care of YOURSELF. Do something about YOURSELF. Pick up the damned phone. Call your senators and reps to chew out their asses about VAWA. If you don’t have the balls to do this, you aren’t a man and have no right to complain about losing your rights.

Anyone who deems calling his reps and contributing to men’s lobbyists a waste of time is lazy and scared — and is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The reason the feminist agenda runs this country is that men are eunuchs who sit around bellyaching about feminists instead of fighting them. Politicians always listen to the squeaky wheels who contribute the most money. Men don’t squeak and contribute no money. Instead, they don superhero outfits and climb statues — and the politicians keep ignoring them.

Sitting idly by and sulking are what today’s American men do best.

Completely shutting down the institution of marriage for a couple of generations will likely solve the entitlement princess problem.

If you really enjoy pissing women off, talk with them about anti-peonage laws!

Don’t be so negative. If enough anti-feminist men AND women write to them, they will start to fear not losing OUR votes also, even if they won’t touch it publicly at this time. We have to use every way possible to let them know we are out here and that we care. How long does it take to write to your rep? Hardly any time at all.

Every time someone comes up with an idea — even an easy one — other people piss all over it. That is not helpful.

My own personal opinion is that contacting elected officials will do NOTHING at all. Anyone in office, running for office now, or in the near future will not touch this subject for fear of alienating women AND pro-feminist male voters.

The only way this movement can succeed is mass demonstrations, television appearances like Marc Rudov’s, and getting to young males in high school and college before they marry. It must be ingrained into young males heads early that there should be a nationwide moratorium on marriage. This is key. Not giving women marriage and all of its benefits (children, houses, cars, vacations, diamond rings) will devistate them. As much as women think they are independent strong and secure, the VAST majority want marriage, kids and all the percs.

This is their weak spot and if you hit them there they will crumble.

Men regularly vote for gynocrats, get married, have kids, co-habitate with women and fund womens lives.

If we can somehow change their minds and show them what is really happening out there and they stop marrying American women and having kids with them, then this will be a turning point. If men need to get married and have kids, there best chances are with no western foreign women.

I dont have all the answers and I am not purporting to have them all in this comment but I do remember that the womens movement in the 60’s was fundamentally based on public protest of all kinds everywhere, and the manipulation of the young females mind when they were still young.

America needs a Mississippi diverted through its White House and its Court Houses, its Town Halls and its beaurocracies. It is so deep in self-hating corrupt scum that nothing short of a revolution will restore any semblance of a Constitution of the order that it once had.

Write to or phone a giggling yob in a politician’s office? Pull the other one. This is self-demeaning. Such little shits need a hot poker shoved up their arses, not a second chap phoning them to complain about feminism. And there are millions of these giggling, mincing alfalfas cluttering up the public payroll.

But if ten million men wrote in AMFORTAS on their ballot papers, that would send a message. 20 million would scare Obama’s turds out and dump them on Joe Bidet. 50 million would give me the Chair.

And I would give you the FMJs to do the job that needs doing.

For God’s sake and for everyone else’s, Vote #1 Amfortas, Otherwise put yourselves up for it.