IMBRA is a recognition that American Men don’t want a relationship with a Feminist Woman. Despite the advocacy research of Gender Feminists at Rutgers and Fluff pieces about how a Land Whale Feminist is the ideal spouse. Rubbish and Men damned well know it.

IMBRA and VAWA violate the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution. And Jim is 100% correct it violates our Free Speech rights. Worse it is a declaration by our US Government that American Men are abusers and Criminals, deprived of our Due Process Rights. It is an outrageous abuse of our Natural Rights that Governments can only uphold and have no right to take away. Maybe it is time for Another Boston Tea Party.

During the cold war when totalitarian countries (Dating, in Moscow? Whaddyaknow. Hah!) were oppressing their peoples, we were advocating those peoples to take up arms against their overlords. Crikey, we even smuggled weapons to them (details suitably covered up, of course).

Go to the Courts, by all means. Seek out a Judge to hear a ‘Plaintiff’s’ complaint. Exercise your own swift Judgement.

Heck, vote for me instead do Obambiden and I’ll give you a shiny pointy badge and a box of FMJs.

If not, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

$8000 will do the initial complaint, trial and finding of fact…which all happens in the first month or two (except the Hollander VAWA challenge has been strange having been filed in February and still not gone to trial).

Most lawyers ask for $25,000 to handle through to the end of the district level.

But my experience is that most lawyers are IDIOTS who would actually be working against you because they will not want to even imply that politics are going on behind the scenes to stop the separation of powers, etc.

I would feel hamstrung with a lawyer.

So I would rather give $8000 to someone in the US to do a pro se challenge himself or herself and let them spend that money on the court fees etc. A pro se challenger can ask the court for $150,000 to fight for his rights, saying that the law is unconstitutional and he needs the funds to challenge it. A judge who sees how bad IMBRA is, could easily end up funding the plaintiff with a lot of money.

I really want to do this myself…but my career really is too exciting and I am always in Europe or the Middle East.

I really cannot take even one week off.

Plus, as Roger (who lives in Sweden) pointed out, women in Europe are so easy to meet when you are living here that, not only does IMBRA not hurt me so much but taking two weeks off to go the US to challenge would mean missing out on some great dates after work over here.

Then again…the evil of IMBRA is that I will never know how badly not meeting a particular person hurt me.

Check out http://www.veteransabroad.com/TRO.pdf to see what the next judge will probably say about IMBRA when he puts a restraining order on it immediately.

All someone has to do is walk into a courtroom and challenge.

It really is that easy. Theoretically, no money at all is required to start this and get an immediate TRO placed on the law.

Just the 25 cents for the parking meter outside the courthouse.

The ideal plaintiff would be a retired military man or otherwise financially independent person in the USA or the mother of any man in the MRM. Anyone can challenge IMBRA because anyone, including older American women, can claim that their right to say hello as been abridged by this. There is a website called http://www.meetmenfromeurope.com that an American woman can complain was put out of business by IMBRA.

1. Notice how the entire IMBRA thing seems… The foreign woman sits back in her chair and “reviews your history,” before allowing contact with you. You are assumed to be scum or dirty because you are a “man.” So you must be “examined” before hand. This is all in a broader sense, I hope you see what I am trying to say?

2. I don’t recommend dating anyone outside the USA because it can be USED against you like it was used against me. My ex-wifes layers used it against me “we your honor we have seen this before men bringing women out of the country here, blah blah blah… So I was painted as an “oppressor.” You know the story…

Justice overpriced is justice denied. Lawyers are jerks because they charge $250/hour.

When, Roger, did I EVER say that I personally needed to use any of these dating sites?

In fact, you KNOW I personally wrote an email to you a month ago praising how great Stockholm and the Centralbadet is for meeting women in public.

Whether or not ANYONE here ever uses a dating site is COMPLETELY beside the point. Totally irrelevant.

At stake here is a reversal of the CDA-Communications Decency Act where (sadly) it was the Conservative Supreme Court justices who wanted to abolish anonymity for Internet users and the liberals who wanted people to be allowed to remain anonymous online and talk with others.

This has little to do with dating.

All Americans are in a lot of trouble right now and IMBRA is just a symptom of a much greater danger.

As a corp exec, I should NEVER have had to waste my time posting anywhere and trying anything to get action going against IMBRA and VAWA etc.

But except for Marc Rudov and the guys at Online Dating Rights dot com…the fight has been lonely…and even then we don’t cooperate at all…there is no coordination to get anything going to challenge IMBRA.

But considering how much is at stake, it should not have been hard at all to get a million man march out of this.

We NEED a volunteer plaintiff. I cannot do that now because my career is just too busy.

About your saying “avoid IMBRA”:

I hope I misunderstood what you meant. Surely you are not saying that you want the US to stand up antagonistically to Russia (now practically my home country and my friends)…while at the same time saying that, when the feminist unleash a vicious, vicious law to control and regulate males…we should avoid conflict?

Maybe you did not just say that.

Hopefully you are on board that this must be challenged…and what you just said was that individual males did not have to let this actually block their entire social life.

I just explained that it won’t. I said that, if you want to meet someone on the same day or weekend, the US Government can block you from so quickly getting together.

That is vicious and outrageous, but not the end of the world unless a poor American man could only afford to fly to Russia once in a lifetime and IMBRA blocked him from meeting what would have been his future wife on the last evening he was there.

It is remotely possible that the woman the US government blocks…would have been the love of your life…but you are never going to know that because she was blocked.

IMBRA basically blocks about 20,000 women from effectively meeting men via 6-10 sites that comply.

But most sites refuse to comply with IMBRA or they fudge in scenarios like the above mentioned, where it would be ridiculous to tell two people they could not meet that evening because the woman could not get across town in 30 minutes to sign a stupid US government approval document.

Nobody is saying that any of this will destroy my life personally…with the law in its present form and not what it might be 10 years from now when anti-feminists might all have a “record” that needs to be reported to all women they meet anywhere.

With the new cell to cell technologies coming out, I can see cell phone messages popping up on women’s mobiles saying “Warning…you are in the vicinity of an anti-feminist American male. The US Embassy advises you to speak with him at your own risk”.

It is just outrageous that this law exists, that’s all, for anything to build on it.

Note that I specifically wrote a scenario above where it was 20 Degrees below zero in Moscow…showing why an alpha male would go online to meet a woman at that moment rather than do the obvious which would be to go to the pool or the mall where so many gorgeous women are easy to meet.

More points:

1) Sweden tried a law like IMBRA but it was struck down by a government finding that it was not constitutional.

2) Bank tellers and store clerks…not my type. I go for university students or grads. Someone at a bar? Not likely to be my type. A college library or campus has often been the best place to meet someone cool to date.

If you are in a foreign country, why do you need to use the internet or a ‘dating service’?? My experience has been that women are very, very easy to meet.

You avoid IMBRA by avoiding the artificial channels they have constructed to manage your contacts. Just don’t do it.