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		<title>By: timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another politicianjumping on the ever popular blane the divorced dada bandwagon. Its sad that our own president perttuates that myth that divoced mothers are completely blameless.</description>
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		<title>By: BobV01</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a men v. women referendum in the 2008 election cyle?
Simple answer to a simplistic question: yes. Of course American women are not a monolithic block, voting in lock step anymore. Sometimes it has been written â€œgood men and women of faithâ€ with others ignored. Americans in 2008 should by now have heard of feminists, feminism, femini-nazis, radical feministsâ€™ and the maternal revenue service; still American Women are not a monolithic group nor are American men.
Pro abortion, incessant demand for child support, VAWA and equal pay for equal work tend to be associated with feminists. End of misandry or Father bashing, Boyz Crisis, Child Custody and parenting time tend to be associated with men. As there are various types of women, so to, there are different types of men: masculinists, anti-misandrists, Fathers Rights advocates, shared parenting advocates.
2008 has an American Presidential election, various elections for United States Senators and Representatives, representatives and senators for various state assemblies, judges and other local positions. In the several hundred elections being conducted, principally, November 4, 2008, no candidate has explicitly stated I am pro feminist or pro masculinist.
2008 US Presidential Race:
Obama articulates his position, first by saying â€œI was shaped more by my Fatherâ€™s absence, than by his presenceâ€. Obama authored the Responsible Fatherhood Act (mentions child support sixty-five times), explicitly endorses â€œwomenâ€™s choiceâ€, supports VAWA, and, speaks of families most often as â€œa single mother and her childrenâ€. Obamaâ€™s Vice Presidential mate, Joe Biden is the author of VAWA.
McCain asserts that abortion and Fatherâ€™s Rights are best left to the States. The Republican Party appears to be pro-life, against VAWA and in the summer of 2008 congressional republicans passed the Child Support Collection assessment fee to custodial parents. Republicans speak often about Social Security Reform, far too often men fail to realize that Social Security Act Title IV-D et al take substantial monies from the Social Security Fund (no longer a Trust since LBJ in 1964) to pay for TANF, Child Support Collection Systems and incentives, as well as other non-retirement expenditures. The republicans did have Boy Scouts at the RNC National Convention and at the announcement of Sarah Palin as the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate. The Department of Justice no longer accepts Duluth as a therapy for domestic violence, and Minnesota Program Development, copy right owner of the various published power and control wheels, dropped its published call â€œfor and end to patriarchy and establishment of an equalitarian societyâ€.
2008 elections in Michigan
In Michigan, long time Fatherâ€™s Right supporter, Michigan Representative Jack Hoogendyk is challenging U.S. Senator Carl Levin a long time defender of VAWA for one of Michiganâ€™s US Senate seats. The entire Michigan House of Representatives is up for election, incumbents Kevin Green, Dave Agema, Fulton Sheen, Rick Jones, Tome Pearce, Arlan Meekhof and others have all sponsored or co-sponsored Father Friendly legislation. Justin Amash running for his first term in the Michigan House of Representatives explicitly states his endorsement of Fatherâ€™s Rights as do two Circuit Court Judge Candidates seeking office for the first time, Kevin Cronin and Brian Downs.
2008 elections across America
Men seem to be notorious for not working or voting together on Public Policy, in Michigan, you may need to ask one hundred guys before one could tell you of a pro male or pro Father candidate.
Is your candidate opposed to abortion, VAWA, spending social security dollars on non-retirement expenditures? Is your candidate in support of FairTax, shared parenting, Father Custody, advocating for and end to judicial creation of laws? You may have a pro male or pro Father candidate entered in elections you will be a part of.
Why a referendum at al?
At this moment buses in Dallas Texas are driving around with Father bashing domestic violence posters for all to see( DART): misandry in America, indeed across the globe, hurts all males individually and as a group. Prosecuting attorneys in California are arresting family members of Dads who have a child support arrearage, for assisting criminals.
As American men, we may disagree on pennant races, or the economy, even which soda pop we prefer; the examples are countless, mi hermanos, brothers, bruders: only by standing in solidarity will we end misandry in public policy and social perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a men v. women referendum in the 2008 election cyle?<br />
Simple answer to a simplistic question: yes. Of course American women are not a monolithic block, voting in lock step anymore. Sometimes it has been written â€œgood men and women of faithâ€ with others ignored. Americans in 2008 should by now have heard of feminists, feminism, femini-nazis, radical feministsâ€™ and the maternal revenue service; still American Women are not a monolithic group nor are American men.<br />
Pro abortion, incessant demand for child support, VAWA and equal pay for equal work tend to be associated with feminists. End of misandry or Father bashing, Boyz Crisis, Child Custody and parenting time tend to be associated with men. As there are various types of women, so to, there are different types of men: masculinists, anti-misandrists, Fathers Rights advocates, shared parenting advocates.<br />
2008 has an American Presidential election, various elections for United States Senators and Representatives, representatives and senators for various state assemblies, judges and other local positions. In the several hundred elections being conducted, principally, November 4, 2008, no candidate has explicitly stated I am pro feminist or pro masculinist.<br />
2008 US Presidential Race:<br />
Obama articulates his position, first by saying â€œI was shaped more by my Fatherâ€™s absence, than by his presenceâ€. Obama authored the Responsible Fatherhood Act (mentions child support sixty-five times), explicitly endorses â€œwomenâ€™s choiceâ€, supports VAWA, and, speaks of families most often as â€œa single mother and her childrenâ€. Obamaâ€™s Vice Presidential mate, Joe Biden is the author of VAWA.<br />
McCain asserts that abortion and Fatherâ€™s Rights are best left to the States. The Republican Party appears to be pro-life, against VAWA and in the summer of 2008 congressional republicans passed the Child Support Collection assessment fee to custodial parents. Republicans speak often about Social Security Reform, far too often men fail to realize that Social Security Act Title IV-D et al take substantial monies from the Social Security Fund (no longer a Trust since LBJ in 1964) to pay for TANF, Child Support Collection Systems and incentives, as well as other non-retirement expenditures. The republicans did have Boy Scouts at the RNC National Convention and at the announcement of Sarah Palin as the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate. The Department of Justice no longer accepts Duluth as a therapy for domestic violence, and Minnesota Program Development, copy right owner of the various published power and control wheels, dropped its published call â€œfor and end to patriarchy and establishment of an equalitarian societyâ€.<br />
2008 elections in Michigan<br />
In Michigan, long time Fatherâ€™s Right supporter, Michigan Representative Jack Hoogendyk is challenging U.S. Senator Carl Levin a long time defender of VAWA for one of Michiganâ€™s US Senate seats. The entire Michigan House of Representatives is up for election, incumbents Kevin Green, Dave Agema, Fulton Sheen, Rick Jones, Tome Pearce, Arlan Meekhof and others have all sponsored or co-sponsored Father Friendly legislation. Justin Amash running for his first term in the Michigan House of Representatives explicitly states his endorsement of Fatherâ€™s Rights as do two Circuit Court Judge Candidates seeking office for the first time, Kevin Cronin and Brian Downs.<br />
2008 elections across America<br />
Men seem to be notorious for not working or voting together on Public Policy, in Michigan, you may need to ask one hundred guys before one could tell you of a pro male or pro Father candidate.<br />
Is your candidate opposed to abortion, VAWA, spending social security dollars on non-retirement expenditures? Is your candidate in support of FairTax, shared parenting, Father Custody, advocating for and end to judicial creation of laws? You may have a pro male or pro Father candidate entered in elections you will be a part of.<br />
Why a referendum at al?<br />
At this moment buses in Dallas Texas are driving around with Father bashing domestic violence posters for all to see( DART): misandry in America, indeed across the globe, hurts all males individually and as a group. Prosecuting attorneys in California are arresting family members of Dads who have a child support arrearage, for assisting criminals.<br />
As American men, we may disagree on pennant races, or the economy, even which soda pop we prefer; the examples are countless, mi hermanos, brothers, bruders: only by standing in solidarity will we end misandry in public policy and social perception.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-66735</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The war against men and fathers-against all things male-has been going on for over 4 decades. Feminism&#039;s and America&#039;s war on men has been grossly unfair. And it has been unrelenting. I know. I have lived through it.

Go to:

The Decline of Men

by Guy Garcia

http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Men-American-Tuning-Flipping/dp/0061353140

Garcia (The New Mainstream) explores disturbing trends of men leading increasingly socially isolated lives and dropping out of high school and college in record numbers, naming them victims of an invisible epidemic. 

According to the author, modern men have failed to forge a new and productive role in the 21st century. Garcia charts the rise of feminism and the changing societal roles of both men and women, illustrating how and why men have become so confused about what defines masculinity; having lost their traditional role as provider and protector, men flirt with hollow substitute identitiesâ€”drawing on Jackass culture (men pretending to be boys), gangster culture (boys pretending to be men) and metrosexual obsessions with grooming and body imageâ€”that have reductively redefined manhood and led men away from compassion, responsibility and family. Garcia wisely avoids degrading feminism or pitting men against women; instead, he offers an astute and well-researched meditation on how men might reclaim their identity and place in modern America and why such a transformation is important to future generations of both men and women. (Oct.) 
Copyright Â© Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. 

Product Description
â€¢	Why are so many of today&#039;s supermen superclueless?
â€¢	Why are so many ambitious young women unable      
        to find boyfriends as successful and independent 
        as they are? 
â€¢	Why do so many men prefer the escapist digitized 
        world of SPIKE TV, Jackass, and Grand Theft Auto 
        to the reality of their own lives?

In an eye-opening exploration of contemporary American manhood, The Decline of Men shows how men are struggling to redefine what being a man means in today&#039;s world. Their confusion has led to rampant male malaise, which has left many men feeling alienated and disconnected. Unable to communicate their frustrated thoughts or emotions effectively, too many guys are slacking off and opting out of their manly obligations, producing an entire generation of men who are ditching their own potential and failing the moms, wives, and girlfriends who love them.

The Decline of Men is a wake-up call to this distressing state of affairs. As award-winning journalist Guy Garcia reports, rather than working hard to achieve top grades or a promotion at work, too many American males squander their energy tracking their fantasy football league scores or mastering the latest video game. Men drop out of school at a far higher rate than women and are far likelier to die early because of poor health habits. Even the male Y chromosome is said to be at risk of disappearing altogether one day.

Packed with startling statistics, informed by pop culture, and narrated in the entertaining style for which Guy Garcia is known, The Decline of Men sheds light on a problem that has wreaked havoc on the American family and urges men and women to look past the gender wars to address this national emergency together.



The book is not yet out so I have not read this. It may be yet another male-bashing book afraid to address the true causes of the decline of men.

I blame baby boomer men and women who control the MSM and who refuse-to this day-to allow any honest discussion about the gross unfair treatment of men and boys going back 40+ years.

If you think a country that mistreats half of it&#039;s population will be good for women then you are in for some big surprises and disappointments in your life.

I know what the last 40 years has done to men and boys and going forward-without a dramatic reversal in how this country treats it&#039;s men and boys-the women of America, and America itself will find itself far worse off.

I cannot forgive America for what it has done but hopefully the younger guys will experience a positive change someday, and in time, will be able to forgive America instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war against men and fathers-against all things male-has been going on for over 4 decades. Feminism&#8217;s and America&#8217;s war on men has been grossly unfair. And it has been unrelenting. I know. I have lived through it.</p>
<p>Go to:</p>
<p>The Decline of Men</p>
<p>by Guy Garcia</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Men-American-Tuning-Flipping/dp/0061353140" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Men-American-Tuning-Flipping/dp/0061353140</a></p>
<p>Garcia (The New Mainstream) explores disturbing trends of men leading increasingly socially isolated lives and dropping out of high school and college in record numbers, naming them victims of an invisible epidemic. </p>
<p>According to the author, modern men have failed to forge a new and productive role in the 21st century. Garcia charts the rise of feminism and the changing societal roles of both men and women, illustrating how and why men have become so confused about what defines masculinity; having lost their traditional role as provider and protector, men flirt with hollow substitute identitiesâ€”drawing on Jackass culture (men pretending to be boys), gangster culture (boys pretending to be men) and metrosexual obsessions with grooming and body imageâ€”that have reductively redefined manhood and led men away from compassion, responsibility and family. Garcia wisely avoids degrading feminism or pitting men against women; instead, he offers an astute and well-researched meditation on how men might reclaim their identity and place in modern America and why such a transformation is important to future generations of both men and women. (Oct.)<br />
Copyright Â© Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. </p>
<p>Product Description<br />
â€¢	Why are so many of today&#8217;s supermen superclueless?<br />
â€¢	Why are so many ambitious young women unable<br />
        to find boyfriends as successful and independent<br />
        as they are?<br />
â€¢	Why do so many men prefer the escapist digitized<br />
        world of SPIKE TV, Jackass, and Grand Theft Auto<br />
        to the reality of their own lives?</p>
<p>In an eye-opening exploration of contemporary American manhood, The Decline of Men shows how men are struggling to redefine what being a man means in today&#8217;s world. Their confusion has led to rampant male malaise, which has left many men feeling alienated and disconnected. Unable to communicate their frustrated thoughts or emotions effectively, too many guys are slacking off and opting out of their manly obligations, producing an entire generation of men who are ditching their own potential and failing the moms, wives, and girlfriends who love them.</p>
<p>The Decline of Men is a wake-up call to this distressing state of affairs. As award-winning journalist Guy Garcia reports, rather than working hard to achieve top grades or a promotion at work, too many American males squander their energy tracking their fantasy football league scores or mastering the latest video game. Men drop out of school at a far higher rate than women and are far likelier to die early because of poor health habits. Even the male Y chromosome is said to be at risk of disappearing altogether one day.</p>
<p>Packed with startling statistics, informed by pop culture, and narrated in the entertaining style for which Guy Garcia is known, The Decline of Men sheds light on a problem that has wreaked havoc on the American family and urges men and women to look past the gender wars to address this national emergency together.</p>
<p>The book is not yet out so I have not read this. It may be yet another male-bashing book afraid to address the true causes of the decline of men.</p>
<p>I blame baby boomer men and women who control the MSM and who refuse-to this day-to allow any honest discussion about the gross unfair treatment of men and boys going back 40+ years.</p>
<p>If you think a country that mistreats half of it&#8217;s population will be good for women then you are in for some big surprises and disappointments in your life.</p>
<p>I know what the last 40 years has done to men and boys and going forward-without a dramatic reversal in how this country treats it&#8217;s men and boys-the women of America, and America itself will find itself far worse off.</p>
<p>I cannot forgive America for what it has done but hopefully the younger guys will experience a positive change someday, and in time, will be able to forgive America instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-66733</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could post for hours as how women will fair worse than men. But ponder this thought:

Today, millions of women work. Millions of these women are married with children.

And, on average, these women all earn within $5K of the overall annual family tax bill.

My point here is that in the past, women could stay home and raise their children. One income could get the family a middle-class quality of life.

Today, women do not raise their own children-they work instead. And that money largely goes to the government.

So now do you understand why the government so strongly supports the feminist cause?

The government does not give a damn about women and neither do the feminists. But the government and the feminists both gain by encouraging adversary between men and women. Get it?

And today, women are more tired and more unhappy then they ever have been. 

Many more are single then ever before and will likely remain so.

And men are opting out of marriage and all the risks that it entails.

Do you think more female friendly programs and legislation from Obama-Biden will really help women? Will really make men want to marry and have families? Will really bridge the divide between men and women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could post for hours as how women will fair worse than men. But ponder this thought:</p>
<p>Today, millions of women work. Millions of these women are married with children.</p>
<p>And, on average, these women all earn within $5K of the overall annual family tax bill.</p>
<p>My point here is that in the past, women could stay home and raise their children. One income could get the family a middle-class quality of life.</p>
<p>Today, women do not raise their own children-they work instead. And that money largely goes to the government.</p>
<p>So now do you understand why the government so strongly supports the feminist cause?</p>
<p>The government does not give a damn about women and neither do the feminists. But the government and the feminists both gain by encouraging adversary between men and women. Get it?</p>
<p>And today, women are more tired and more unhappy then they ever have been. </p>
<p>Many more are single then ever before and will likely remain so.</p>
<p>And men are opting out of marriage and all the risks that it entails.</p>
<p>Do you think more female friendly programs and legislation from Obama-Biden will really help women? Will really make men want to marry and have families? Will really bridge the divide between men and women?</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denis#25, I hear what you are saying and I agree in that if we look after ourselves well enough, communities don&#039;t need to assist.  

But, I don&#039;t know who will pay the bigger price in the end. I am not that far into the divide between men and women yet. I have placed it where it belongs in my own mind within a picture of a hundred of these movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis#25, I hear what you are saying and I agree in that if we look after ourselves well enough, communities don&#8217;t need to assist.  </p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t know who will pay the bigger price in the end. I am not that far into the divide between men and women yet. I have placed it where it belongs in my own mind within a picture of a hundred of these movements.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What we need as has always been is decent people coming in to help the communities. Unfortunately ground work is low paid work and doesnâ€™t attract the right people easily since they can make a far better lifestyle through business.&quot;

The reality is that an individual can do far more for a community by being a successful individual.

You don&#039;t have to spend hours posting at MND to change the world. Everyone is tired of gender politics. Talk to the people you know personally. Spread the word. 

&quot;Feminists were abundant decades ago but most married and raised families which left the work to those with firm beliefs in women taking over and lesbians who have much to say against the system they think was created by men.&quot;

The remnants of feminism is all around us. It is alive and it is toxic. It is poisoning the lives of both men and women-even today. It&#039;s legacy is Family Law, VAWA, Affirmative Action, and just about every advertisement you will see or read. It dominates legislation everywhere. 

Men are screwed in many many ways. But women will pay a much much bigger price going forward. Do you really believe gender politics will decrease with a Obama-Biden Presidency??!! And who will pay the biggest price over the long term?: men or women.

The answer is: women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What we need as has always been is decent people coming in to help the communities. Unfortunately ground work is low paid work and doesnâ€™t attract the right people easily since they can make a far better lifestyle through business.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reality is that an individual can do far more for a community by being a successful individual.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to spend hours posting at MND to change the world. Everyone is tired of gender politics. Talk to the people you know personally. Spread the word. </p>
<p>&#8220;Feminists were abundant decades ago but most married and raised families which left the work to those with firm beliefs in women taking over and lesbians who have much to say against the system they think was created by men.&#8221;</p>
<p>The remnants of feminism is all around us. It is alive and it is toxic. It is poisoning the lives of both men and women-even today. It&#8217;s legacy is Family Law, VAWA, Affirmative Action, and just about every advertisement you will see or read. It dominates legislation everywhere. </p>
<p>Men are screwed in many many ways. But women will pay a much much bigger price going forward. Do you really believe gender politics will decrease with a Obama-Biden Presidency??!! And who will pay the biggest price over the long term?: men or women.</p>
<p>The answer is: women.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shatteredman, I hear what you are saying about VAWA and that Joe Biden was a big part of it. 

Strangely, our rightwing brought both the DV Act and CS Act in. Rightwing in Sweden brought in 40/40/10 male/female/either into business boards and political positions. And England will have the rightwing bring in some things for feminists also. 

I don&#039;t know how to tell which adults have been abused as children but I will take your word for the possibility as you have more expertise on this than I. 

........

The world is meant to divide as a tactic to control. Feminism is one tool IMO. Stopping DV is very important in my eyes because I live in a neighbourhood where it is rampant. The poorer and uneducated the environment the worse it gets and as they move in people from less educated countries to well to do areas, the areas fall as the children become affected by their environment through their school and other activities. 

The West is going down, the divide between rich and poor is widening. Chaos will bring forward laws that treat humans like animals. 

And yet, here is something that has power we can all use if we get the chance to use it wisely. 

I know that is the last thing anti feminists would want to hear but somewhere along the line we need to band together to fight the chaos that exists and getting worse by the day. 

Some people are aware that chipping everyone is on the agenda in my city and some have rallied to try and bring the community together so to fight violence head on. 

Feminists were abundant decades ago but most married and raised families which left the work to those with firm beliefs in women taking over and lesbians who have much to say against the system they think was created by men. 

........

What we need as has always been is decent people coming in to help the communities. Unfortunately ground work is low paid work and doesn&#039;t attract the right people easily since they can make a far better lifestyle through business. 

We need to have faith in people who want change. We need to rally them and fire them up. 

Which side one chooses to do this IMO is pretty irrelevant. It is a must for ALL communities. 

PS. Just my voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shatteredman, I hear what you are saying about VAWA and that Joe Biden was a big part of it. </p>
<p>Strangely, our rightwing brought both the DV Act and CS Act in. Rightwing in Sweden brought in 40/40/10 male/female/either into business boards and political positions. And England will have the rightwing bring in some things for feminists also. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how to tell which adults have been abused as children but I will take your word for the possibility as you have more expertise on this than I. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>The world is meant to divide as a tactic to control. Feminism is one tool IMO. Stopping DV is very important in my eyes because I live in a neighbourhood where it is rampant. The poorer and uneducated the environment the worse it gets and as they move in people from less educated countries to well to do areas, the areas fall as the children become affected by their environment through their school and other activities. </p>
<p>The West is going down, the divide between rich and poor is widening. Chaos will bring forward laws that treat humans like animals. </p>
<p>And yet, here is something that has power we can all use if we get the chance to use it wisely. </p>
<p>I know that is the last thing anti feminists would want to hear but somewhere along the line we need to band together to fight the chaos that exists and getting worse by the day. </p>
<p>Some people are aware that chipping everyone is on the agenda in my city and some have rallied to try and bring the community together so to fight violence head on. </p>
<p>Feminists were abundant decades ago but most married and raised families which left the work to those with firm beliefs in women taking over and lesbians who have much to say against the system they think was created by men. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>What we need as has always been is decent people coming in to help the communities. Unfortunately ground work is low paid work and doesn&#8217;t attract the right people easily since they can make a far better lifestyle through business. </p>
<p>We need to have faith in people who want change. We need to rally them and fire them up. </p>
<p>Which side one chooses to do this IMO is pretty irrelevant. It is a must for ALL communities. </p>
<p>PS. Just my voice.</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie said:  Obama chose Biden instead of Hillary. If Obama wanted feminist issues to be the forefront he would have chosen Hillary.

Julie, one does not  have to be female to be a gender feminist.   

I work with many people who have been abused as children. Joe Biden fits the profile of many of these people.  They often hate their owe gender and falsely believe the other gender has superior qualities.  I contend that Joe is one of these people. He was abused by his own sister and he could do nothing to defend himself. 

http://shatterdmen.com/Bidden.htm

As to asking Obama about his stand on the VAWA and fathers, I have written to him and all I was able to get back from them is a request to send them MONEY on a daily basis.

I have seen almost every trait in this team as I have seen in the worse of the gender feminist.

I do NOT want...an OBAM NATION!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie said:  Obama chose Biden instead of Hillary. If Obama wanted feminist issues to be the forefront he would have chosen Hillary.</p>
<p>Julie, one does not  have to be female to be a gender feminist.   </p>
<p>I work with many people who have been abused as children. Joe Biden fits the profile of many of these people.  They often hate their owe gender and falsely believe the other gender has superior qualities.  I contend that Joe is one of these people. He was abused by his own sister and he could do nothing to defend himself. </p>
<p><a href="http://shatterdmen.com/Bidden.htm" rel="nofollow">http://shatterdmen.com/Bidden.htm</a></p>
<p>As to asking Obama about his stand on the VAWA and fathers, I have written to him and all I was able to get back from them is a request to send them MONEY on a daily basis.</p>
<p>I have seen almost every trait in this team as I have seen in the worse of the gender feminist.</p>
<p>I do NOT want&#8230;an OBAM NATION!</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-66058</link>
		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey, Poiuyt, you have a firm finger on the carotid artery.

Let&#039;s hear that again.

&quot;A clever person must then ask what is wrong in society with the socialisation and education of males, that permits of such creatures as Bidden or Obama, a place in the sun and ascendance ? Because the answer isnâ€™t simply feminist contamination, but a degeneracy of maleness and male culture.&quot;

Chicken - Egg ? Egg - chicken?  Maybe hand and glove. Feminism / Cultural Marxism works on exploitation of human weaknesses and Ego, both female and male. Femaleness and female culture has become degenerate too. 

The Ego has been elevated over SuperEgo. In Transactional Analysis Terms, the Parent and Child currently rule and suppress the Adult.

Obama is the Id Child with all his &#039;attractive&#039; surface &#039;Charisma&#039; and cuddly &#039;exciting&#039; &#039;change&#039; concepts; and Biden is the Parent Ego issuing commands, holding power and giving punishment. An abusive parent. 

Unfortunately Palin is a Child too, a &#039;natural&#039; and &#039;fundemental&#039; Id running wild.

Childlike and childish and parental - McCain has &#039;Good Parent&#039; too as well as having some &#039;sound&#039; Adult &#039;Rules of Engagement&#039;. But by himself he cannot cure the ills, especially allied with and reliant upon a child.

A fully matured Adult Human is a Wonderous creation.

And so rare. 

And so needed right now.

None of the Candidates in this election can save America.

Neither Party has the balance and maturity to tackle the Main Problem of America. 

What is that Main Problem? 

Not International Affairs; not Energy; not Global Warming (hah!); not the religious divide nor racism nor sexism nor Feminism nor Cultural Marxism nor the Muslim world nor the rise of China - although ALL of these are problem issues to be dealt with, even those that exist in imagination and hysteria - but what you are alluding to Poiuyt.

It isn&#039;t just the male cultural degeneration but the degeneration of the American Character.

Look inward America. Heal thyself.

Then you can gain the Adult ascendancy to lead the World.

Vote #1 Amfortas. 

He has the Will to act.

On your ballots, write in &#039;Amfortas&#039;.

Let the name &#039;Amfortas&#039; ring around the World. 

Have every politician ask, &quot;Who in God&#039;s name is this Amfortas&quot;.

I will tell you who he is.

He is the Guardian of the Holy Grail, the Cornucopia.

He is in God&#039;s name.

He is MANkindhood and Adulthood.

He is YOU, grown up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey, Poiuyt, you have a firm finger on the carotid artery.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hear that again.</p>
<p>&#8220;A clever person must then ask what is wrong in society with the socialisation and education of males, that permits of such creatures as Bidden or Obama, a place in the sun and ascendance ? Because the answer isnâ€™t simply feminist contamination, but a degeneracy of maleness and male culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chicken &#8211; Egg ? Egg &#8211; chicken?  Maybe hand and glove. Feminism / Cultural Marxism works on exploitation of human weaknesses and Ego, both female and male. Femaleness and female culture has become degenerate too. </p>
<p>The Ego has been elevated over SuperEgo. In Transactional Analysis Terms, the Parent and Child currently rule and suppress the Adult.</p>
<p>Obama is the Id Child with all his &#8216;attractive&#8217; surface &#8216;Charisma&#8217; and cuddly &#8216;exciting&#8217; &#8216;change&#8217; concepts; and Biden is the Parent Ego issuing commands, holding power and giving punishment. An abusive parent. </p>
<p>Unfortunately Palin is a Child too, a &#8216;natural&#8217; and &#8216;fundemental&#8217; Id running wild.</p>
<p>Childlike and childish and parental &#8211; McCain has &#8216;Good Parent&#8217; too as well as having some &#8217;sound&#8217; Adult &#8216;Rules of Engagement&#8217;. But by himself he cannot cure the ills, especially allied with and reliant upon a child.</p>
<p>A fully matured Adult Human is a Wonderous creation.</p>
<p>And so rare. </p>
<p>And so needed right now.</p>
<p>None of the Candidates in this election can save America.</p>
<p>Neither Party has the balance and maturity to tackle the Main Problem of America. </p>
<p>What is that Main Problem? </p>
<p>Not International Affairs; not Energy; not Global Warming (hah!); not the religious divide nor racism nor sexism nor Feminism nor Cultural Marxism nor the Muslim world nor the rise of China &#8211; although ALL of these are problem issues to be dealt with, even those that exist in imagination and hysteria &#8211; but what you are alluding to Poiuyt.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just the male cultural degeneration but the degeneration of the American Character.</p>
<p>Look inward America. Heal thyself.</p>
<p>Then you can gain the Adult ascendancy to lead the World.</p>
<p>Vote #1 Amfortas. </p>
<p>He has the Will to act.</p>
<p>On your ballots, write in &#8216;Amfortas&#8217;.</p>
<p>Let the name &#8216;Amfortas&#8217; ring around the World. </p>
<p>Have every politician ask, &#8220;Who in God&#8217;s name is this Amfortas&#8221;.</p>
<p>I will tell you who he is.</p>
<p>He is the Guardian of the Holy Grail, the Cornucopia.</p>
<p>He is in God&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>He is MANkindhood and Adulthood.</p>
<p>He is YOU, grown up.</p>
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		<title>By: poiuyt</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-66047</link>
		<dc:creator>poiuyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always remember that Barak and Bidden are male. That is, representatives, albeit bad ones, of the male sex-class in society.

The article rightly furnishes us with evidence of the duplicity and personal venalty of our leading males in authority. That is those representatives of the male gender-class whom are apparently, so concerned, charitable and kind to women but only with other mens income, person, property and progeny. Not a dimes-worth of that which is theirs is ever commited to the causes for which they advocate so much misery on the rest of mankind.

These mendacious creatures of public service get where they do, only on account of their persistent auctioning off to females and other interested bidders, of the rights of males both living and yet to be born. 

They diminish themselves and the status of their sex-class for good fees and prosperous careers, caring not for one second to contribute personally to their attested causes.

A clever person must then ask what is wrong in society with the socialisation and education of males, that permits of such creatures as Bidden or Obama, a place in the sun and ascendance ? Because the ansewer isn&#039;t simply feminist contaminartion, but a degeneracy of maleness and male culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always remember that Barak and Bidden are male. That is, representatives, albeit bad ones, of the male sex-class in society.</p>
<p>The article rightly furnishes us with evidence of the duplicity and personal venalty of our leading males in authority. That is those representatives of the male gender-class whom are apparently, so concerned, charitable and kind to women but only with other mens income, person, property and progeny. Not a dimes-worth of that which is theirs is ever commited to the causes for which they advocate so much misery on the rest of mankind.</p>
<p>These mendacious creatures of public service get where they do, only on account of their persistent auctioning off to females and other interested bidders, of the rights of males both living and yet to be born. </p>
<p>They diminish themselves and the status of their sex-class for good fees and prosperous careers, caring not for one second to contribute personally to their attested causes.</p>
<p>A clever person must then ask what is wrong in society with the socialisation and education of males, that permits of such creatures as Bidden or Obama, a place in the sun and ascendance ? Because the ansewer isn&#8217;t simply feminist contaminartion, but a degeneracy of maleness and male culture.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65718</link>
		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not asking you to move, at all, Julie. We are civilised here and do not expect women to be barefoot in the Kitchen. Keep your eye on the toast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not asking you to move, at all, Julie. We are civilised here and do not expect women to be barefoot in the Kitchen. Keep your eye on the toast.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65715</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Amfortas. .

One can always prepare though. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Amfortas. .</p>
<p>One can always prepare though. lol</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65714</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amfortas says, &quot;Now put some something on your feet&quot;.

I think you are asking me to move. 

I can&#039;t. 

When men stand, women must fold. 

If by chance they don&#039;t succeed their way then women can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amfortas says, &#8220;Now put some something on your feet&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you are asking me to move. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>When men stand, women must fold. </p>
<p>If by chance they don&#8217;t succeed their way then women can help.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65709</link>
		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>English to Kiwi translation, for Julie. (courtesy of Google)

 -She would have him for breakfast -

Or if you prefer, - he would be toast -

Of course, if you were in the kitchen, he would be burnt toast.

Now put some something on your feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English to Kiwi translation, for Julie. (courtesy of Google)</p>
<p> -She would have him for breakfast -</p>
<p>Or if you prefer, &#8211; he would be toast -</p>
<p>Of course, if you were in the kitchen, he would be burnt toast.</p>
<p>Now put some something on your feet.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65708</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amfortas said,

Julie, Obama did not chose his adversary, Hilary, as a running mate because on the first morning in the White House she would be in kitchen before him with a hot skillet ready and one plate on the table.

........

I don&#039;t understand what you are saying. 

But I will try. Are you saying that Hilary (one L) would overtake him? And that is why he chose someone else?

BTW, be careful in your choice of words for I have researched this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amfortas said,</p>
<p>Julie, Obama did not chose his adversary, Hilary, as a running mate because on the first morning in the White House she would be in kitchen before him with a hot skillet ready and one plate on the table.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand what you are saying. </p>
<p>But I will try. Are you saying that Hilary (one L) would overtake him? And that is why he chose someone else?</p>
<p>BTW, be careful in your choice of words for I have researched this.</p>
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		<title>By: FathersHaveNaturalRights</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65704</link>
		<dc:creator>FathersHaveNaturalRights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Angry Harry, Mark, and everyone else:

What do you want?

Beyond an end to legal and societal mistreatment of men and fathers, what good things do you affirmatively seek for men and fathers?

That is the question that the movement...by any name...needs to answer in detail.

With laws, do you want:
* divorce to be harder to get?
* paternity testing of all infants at birth?
* premarital contracts designed by each individual couple as a default standard?
* protection in law of each marital partners own earned income and assets from the other in the event of a divorce?
* mandated joint residential custody?
* presumptive joint residential custody?
* outlawing of alimony?
* tracking for expenditures made from child support payments?
* an end to child support with each parent paying the bills incurred while the child is with them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Angry Harry, Mark, and everyone else:</p>
<p>What do you want?</p>
<p>Beyond an end to legal and societal mistreatment of men and fathers, what good things do you affirmatively seek for men and fathers?</p>
<p>That is the question that the movement&#8230;by any name&#8230;needs to answer in detail.</p>
<p>With laws, do you want:<br />
* divorce to be harder to get?<br />
* paternity testing of all infants at birth?<br />
* premarital contracts designed by each individual couple as a default standard?<br />
* protection in law of each marital partners own earned income and assets from the other in the event of a divorce?<br />
* mandated joint residential custody?<br />
* presumptive joint residential custody?<br />
* outlawing of alimony?<br />
* tracking for expenditures made from child support payments?<br />
* an end to child support with each parent paying the bills incurred while the child is with them?</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65701</link>
		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, Obama did not chosoe his adversary, Hilary, as a running mate because on the first morning in the White House she would be in kitchen before him with a hot skillet ready and one plate on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, Obama did not chosoe his adversary, Hilary, as a running mate because on the first morning in the White House she would be in kitchen before him with a hot skillet ready and one plate on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65698</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I take back my last comment. It looks really hard to work out their websites let alone contact them. 

Maybe Glenn Sacks can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I take back my last comment. It looks really hard to work out their websites let alone contact them. </p>
<p>Maybe Glenn Sacks can.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65697</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will e-mail these guys and ask them if they hate fathers and are pushing the feminist agenda. But I am surprised that no-one has asked them or interviewed them on behalf of the MRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will e-mail these guys and ask them if they hate fathers and are pushing the feminist agenda. But I am surprised that no-one has asked them or interviewed them on behalf of the MRM.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/08/24/obamabiden-escalating-the-war-on-fathers-and-families/comment-page-1/#comment-65696</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t wish to get involved in motivating people either way to vote but just want to add some information. 

Obama chose Biden instead of Hillary. If Obama wanted  feminist issues to be the forefront he would have chosen Hillary. 

Obama chose Biden for his experience in foreign affairs. I wonder seriously if men&#039;s issues have even been on their mind let alone feminist issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t wish to get involved in motivating people either way to vote but just want to add some information. </p>
<p>Obama chose Biden instead of Hillary. If Obama wanted  feminist issues to be the forefront he would have chosen Hillary. </p>
<p>Obama chose Biden for his experience in foreign affairs. I wonder seriously if men&#8217;s issues have even been on their mind let alone feminist issues.</p>
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