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		<title>By: nosocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose a child support lottery for beat dead dads. That right BEAT DEAD DADS!!! Cause surely lady liberty is on the rag with a baby in one hand and a whip in the other. It would raised millions of dollars that would pay off the arrears of all dads and would put the spotlight on the plight of fathers all over the world. It would be held once every month and ten fathers would win and have there arreares paide in full. We must come together financially all men upon this earth. Nothing can stop us if we build and work together financially. All these gready pigs want is MONEY and the power to make a man suffer. They dont care about fatherhood. Lets get a lottery going. A dollar a piece and we can change the world and show that we are united men for freedom for peace and fatherhood!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose a child support lottery for beat dead dads. That right BEAT DEAD DADS!!! Cause surely lady liberty is on the rag with a baby in one hand and a whip in the other. It would raised millions of dollars that would pay off the arrears of all dads and would put the spotlight on the plight of fathers all over the world. It would be held once every month and ten fathers would win and have there arreares paide in full. We must come together financially all men upon this earth. Nothing can stop us if we build and work together financially. All these gready pigs want is MONEY and the power to make a man suffer. They dont care about fatherhood. Lets get a lottery going. A dollar a piece and we can change the world and show that we are united men for freedom for peace and fatherhood!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hospitalityhorizon</title>
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		<dc:creator>hospitalityhorizon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Charalambous,

I would enjoy sending a copy of my manuscript, entitled, &quot;Poems and Letters from Deadbeat Daddy,&quot; enhancing your forthcoming book. My manuscript is currently in publishing review, and will soon be available at ebook at Barnes and Noble, and several other sites. The book and a follow up sequel, entitled &quot;Children&#039;s Injustice is my twelve year journey within the Middlesex County, Massachusetts Probate and Family Court and her sister agency, Massachusetts Department of Revenue/Child Support Enforcement Division&#039;s corruptive and illegal dominance via the feminist movement. It is a story that I cannot place within a synopsis, yet I would be happy to send you the first book, including an addendum of court documents, lawyer letters, judges&#039; decisions and exhibits. If I did not provide these documents most Americans would never believe that this story took place within an alleged democracy in America.

I wish you well with your book, and I thank you for understanding what is truly taking place in the persecution, prosecution, and vilifying Father&#039;s rights, but more importantly, Children&#039;s Rights.

In closing I must state that the 1st Justice of the Middlesex Probate and Family Court, who disobeyed her own judicial responsibilities with unbridled power, trampling all rights of many Fathers, incarcerating them for years without due process of law, and she worked hand in hand with DOR/CSE attorneys fraudulent evidence, died of a heart attack. She died shortly after being investigated by federal agencies, and she and her clerk were caught redhanded (photos and all) doctoring her court tapes in a case against an alleged deadbeat dad.Maybe God&#039;s justice finally prevailed.

Respectfully,

Robert H. Burke


P.S. After sixteen years, I am still filing motions and judicial reviews within this court, and they continue to operate with criminal impunity, along with the family of feminists within the all powerful Massachusetts Department of Revenue/Child Support Division. Even today two lawyers for DOR/CSE provide private legal counsel to my former spouse in matters of visitation and placement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Charalambous,</p>
<p>I would enjoy sending a copy of my manuscript, entitled, &#8220;Poems and Letters from Deadbeat Daddy,&#8221; enhancing your forthcoming book. My manuscript is currently in publishing review, and will soon be available at ebook at Barnes and Noble, and several other sites. The book and a follow up sequel, entitled &#8220;Children&#8217;s Injustice is my twelve year journey within the Middlesex County, Massachusetts Probate and Family Court and her sister agency, Massachusetts Department of Revenue/Child Support Enforcement Division&#8217;s corruptive and illegal dominance via the feminist movement. It is a story that I cannot place within a synopsis, yet I would be happy to send you the first book, including an addendum of court documents, lawyer letters, judges&#8217; decisions and exhibits. If I did not provide these documents most Americans would never believe that this story took place within an alleged democracy in America.</p>
<p>I wish you well with your book, and I thank you for understanding what is truly taking place in the persecution, prosecution, and vilifying Father&#8217;s rights, but more importantly, Children&#8217;s Rights.</p>
<p>In closing I must state that the 1st Justice of the Middlesex Probate and Family Court, who disobeyed her own judicial responsibilities with unbridled power, trampling all rights of many Fathers, incarcerating them for years without due process of law, and she worked hand in hand with DOR/CSE attorneys fraudulent evidence, died of a heart attack. She died shortly after being investigated by federal agencies, and she and her clerk were caught redhanded (photos and all) doctoring her court tapes in a case against an alleged deadbeat dad.Maybe God&#8217;s justice finally prevailed.</p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
<p>Robert H. Burke</p>
<p>P.S. After sixteen years, I am still filing motions and judicial reviews within this court, and they continue to operate with criminal impunity, along with the family of feminists within the all powerful Massachusetts Department of Revenue/Child Support Division. Even today two lawyers for DOR/CSE provide private legal counsel to my former spouse in matters of visitation and placement.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amfortas, Good men or good women backing politicians sounds crazy some days. 

******Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order, one of the most significant transformations of American domestic politics over the past three decades since the early 1970â€™s, when George H.W. Bush was head of the CIA, has been the deliberate manipulation of significant segments of the population, most of them undoubtedly sincere believing people, around the ideology of â€˜born-againâ€™ evangelical Christian Fundamentalism to create something known as the Christian Right. Within the broad spectrum of fundamentalist denominations there are some currents which are particularly alarming. Sarah Palin comes out of such a milieu.

The phenomenon of the rapid spread within the United States since the 1980â€™s of evangelical Pentecostalism is a political phenomenon which has become so influential that the two elections of George W. Bush as well as countless races for Senate or Congress often depend on the backing or lack of it from the organized Religious Right.*****

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=10167

The people backing this are just as corrupt as the criminals who really are guilty in prison. Don&#039;t forget that feminism was also backed by the CIA in the 70&#039;s. 

And I am sure you know Bush Jnr was ordained to the highest position in America for religion. Don&#039;t you know he is the 2nd Jesus Christ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amfortas, Good men or good women backing politicians sounds crazy some days. </p>
<p>******Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order, one of the most significant transformations of American domestic politics over the past three decades since the early 1970â€™s, when George H.W. Bush was head of the CIA, has been the deliberate manipulation of significant segments of the population, most of them undoubtedly sincere believing people, around the ideology of â€˜born-againâ€™ evangelical Christian Fundamentalism to create something known as the Christian Right. Within the broad spectrum of fundamentalist denominations there are some currents which are particularly alarming. Sarah Palin comes out of such a milieu.</p>
<p>The phenomenon of the rapid spread within the United States since the 1980â€™s of evangelical Pentecostalism is a political phenomenon which has become so influential that the two elections of George W. Bush as well as countless races for Senate or Congress often depend on the backing or lack of it from the organized Religious Right.*****</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=10167" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=10167</a></p>
<p>The people backing this are just as corrupt as the criminals who really are guilty in prison. Don&#8217;t forget that feminism was also backed by the CIA in the 70&#8217;s. </p>
<p>And I am sure you know Bush Jnr was ordained to the highest position in America for religion. Don&#8217;t you know he is the 2nd Jesus Christ?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to our &quot;common destination,&quot; I suggest legal justice and social dignity for men.  Having said that, I shall dismount the tower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to our &#8220;common destination,&#8221; I suggest legal justice and social dignity for men.  Having said that, I shall dismount the tower.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooohh, poiuyt, you give too much credit to too many women. Feminism is not three women around a cooking pot in the woods. Pretty well all &#039;leading women&#039; subscribe to feminism in one form or another. It makes news when one stands up and says &quot;Not so&quot;. Even them I for one am loath to take their tales at face value.

Feminism has not only auctioned off women&#039;s rights and status for their own public (and private) salaried positions, they have thrown nature out of the window and calumnised any woman who actually wants a baby. They have followed the lead of Simone de Bouvoir, a Saint of the early feminist church.

Sarah Palin is a case in point. Everyone is giving her attention because she is a &#039;self-reliant&#039; woman, a baby-lover, but just how do you think she became Mayor and Guvernor? I will put a tenner down to say that many good men backed her and many others got out of her way in deference to the mighty vagina lobby.

But that&#039;s as maybe.

I agree with you that there are a legion of Big Swinging Dicks out there, who would sell their brother for a buck, or a f*ck. They need a six inch nail whacked through their dicks and into the nearest wooden floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooohh, poiuyt, you give too much credit to too many women. Feminism is not three women around a cooking pot in the woods. Pretty well all &#8216;leading women&#8217; subscribe to feminism in one form or another. It makes news when one stands up and says &#8220;Not so&#8221;. Even them I for one am loath to take their tales at face value.</p>
<p>Feminism has not only auctioned off women&#8217;s rights and status for their own public (and private) salaried positions, they have thrown nature out of the window and calumnised any woman who actually wants a baby. They have followed the lead of Simone de Bouvoir, a Saint of the early feminist church.</p>
<p>Sarah Palin is a case in point. Everyone is giving her attention because she is a &#8217;self-reliant&#8217; woman, a baby-lover, but just how do you think she became Mayor and Guvernor? I will put a tenner down to say that many good men backed her and many others got out of her way in deference to the mighty vagina lobby.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s as maybe.</p>
<p>I agree with you that there are a legion of Big Swinging Dicks out there, who would sell their brother for a buck, or a f*ck. They need a six inch nail whacked through their dicks and into the nearest wooden floor.</p>
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		<title>By: poiuyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>poiuyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Specifically, what points of â€œcommon destinationâ€ are you advocating for?&quot;&quot;

Unification of every single male provoked and insulted by the existing social model, around fanatical enimity to those representatives of our own gender whom diminish maleness so profitably and recklessly.

It can no more be allowed for leading men to sell or auction off to feminists, professionals or other intrests, the rights and status of his fellow males, in a manner no leading woman would ever do of the rights and status of females.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Specifically, what points of â€œcommon destinationâ€ are you advocating for?&#8221;"</p>
<p>Unification of every single male provoked and insulted by the existing social model, around fanatical enimity to those representatives of our own gender whom diminish maleness so profitably and recklessly.</p>
<p>It can no more be allowed for leading men to sell or auction off to feminists, professionals or other intrests, the rights and status of his fellow males, in a manner no leading woman would ever do of the rights and status of females.</p>
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		<title>By: FathersHaveNaturalRights</title>
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		<dc:creator>FathersHaveNaturalRights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Doyle:

Specifically, what points of &quot;common destination&quot; are you advocating for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Doyle:</p>
<p>Specifically, what points of &#8220;common destination&#8221; are you advocating for?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, I agree that there&#039;s room for more than one type of organization.  As there can be many roads leading to a common destination.  But there must be an understanding of that common destination.  That understanding is sorely lacking in our poor &quot;movement.&quot;  My hope is that the leaders will drop their suicidal independence, and form an ad hoc committee to agree on a common destination, agree to at least cooperate in its achievement, and agree to accept common information forums -- such as MND. I&#039;ve preached this message for decades, and believe that it is so important that it must not be buried where it won&#039;t see the light of day, underneath a Tower of Babel. 
Fraternally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, I agree that there&#8217;s room for more than one type of organization.  As there can be many roads leading to a common destination.  But there must be an understanding of that common destination.  That understanding is sorely lacking in our poor &#8220;movement.&#8221;  My hope is that the leaders will drop their suicidal independence, and form an ad hoc committee to agree on a common destination, agree to at least cooperate in its achievement, and agree to accept common information forums &#8212; such as MND. I&#8217;ve preached this message for decades, and believe that it is so important that it must not be buried where it won&#8217;t see the light of day, underneath a Tower of Babel.<br />
Fraternally.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Richard,

I&#039;m glad you decided to participate by posting your short comment in the comments section. As I explained via email, I&#039;m the one who deleted it as an article - primarily because it&#039;s only a short comment. It was nothing personal and had nothing to do with the importance of your opinion.

I&#039;ve been around for almost 20 years now, so I guess I&#039;m part of the old guard. But my purpose and role developed as a researcher and expert and then eventually to commentator. Although working within an organization is not always incompatible with science, every organization that approached with a leadership offer did so under condition that they maintain control over my public statements - keeping them within their strategic framework. I must have intellectual independence to carry out my purpose.

As I&#039;ve expressed above, the movement is to me - as a matter of fact I believe - 10s of millions of people who are adversely effected and as you point out - are justifiably angry. That has an effect on public discussion, political debates, and can change the outcomes of elections. It&#039;s a phenomenon brought about by injustice, not something manufactured by a group designed to address the problem.

I think if organizations look clearly at the people affected, and design their purpose and programs to serve their needs, they&#039;ll have a good chance of success. Those needs are diversified enough so that there&#039;s room for more than one type of organization with more than one purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Richard,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you decided to participate by posting your short comment in the comments section. As I explained via email, I&#8217;m the one who deleted it as an article &#8211; primarily because it&#8217;s only a short comment. It was nothing personal and had nothing to do with the importance of your opinion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been around for almost 20 years now, so I guess I&#8217;m part of the old guard. But my purpose and role developed as a researcher and expert and then eventually to commentator. Although working within an organization is not always incompatible with science, every organization that approached with a leadership offer did so under condition that they maintain control over my public statements &#8211; keeping them within their strategic framework. I must have intellectual independence to carry out my purpose.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve expressed above, the movement is to me &#8211; as a matter of fact I believe &#8211; 10s of millions of people who are adversely effected and as you point out &#8211; are justifiably angry. That has an effect on public discussion, political debates, and can change the outcomes of elections. It&#8217;s a phenomenon brought about by injustice, not something manufactured by a group designed to address the problem.</p>
<p>I think if organizations look clearly at the people affected, and design their purpose and programs to serve their needs, they&#8217;ll have a good chance of success. Those needs are diversified enough so that there&#8217;s room for more than one type of organization with more than one purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tower of Babel
Normally, technology improves things.  Not so with the menâ€™s/fathersâ€™ movement.  The blogosphere has been invaded by disgruntled men (mostly justifiably disgruntled) with access to the internet.  Some are knowledgeable on the issues.  Some are not.  The problem is that 99 percent of the input is irrelevant to directly correcting the unfairness to men that is permeating law and society.  Everyone considers himself an expert.  Itâ€™s a bloody Tower of Babel.  It perhaps does more harm than good.
The only hope might be for the long time activists and leaders in the movement (they know who they are) to drop their suicidal independence, and form an ad hoc committee to define and address the problems.  How about it Old Guard?  Can you do it, or do you prefer to remain like barnyard roosters atop your individual dung heaps?
ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼-
Gents, I submitted the foregoing rather important (I believe) short comment for inclusion in MNDâ€™s Vox Pop section up front.  Mike did not accept it for that section.  Evidently he feels it a threat to HIS dung heap.  
It&#039;s his site, and a good one.  He can accept or reject anything he likes, but I leave it to you to determine if its higher placement would have been for the good of the movement.
Richard Doyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tower of Babel<br />
Normally, technology improves things.  Not so with the menâ€™s/fathersâ€™ movement.  The blogosphere has been invaded by disgruntled men (mostly justifiably disgruntled) with access to the internet.  Some are knowledgeable on the issues.  Some are not.  The problem is that 99 percent of the input is irrelevant to directly correcting the unfairness to men that is permeating law and society.  Everyone considers himself an expert.  Itâ€™s a bloody Tower of Babel.  It perhaps does more harm than good.<br />
The only hope might be for the long time activists and leaders in the movement (they know who they are) to drop their suicidal independence, and form an ad hoc committee to define and address the problems.  How about it Old Guard?  Can you do it, or do you prefer to remain like barnyard roosters atop your individual dung heaps?<br />
ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼-<br />
Gents, I submitted the foregoing rather important (I believe) short comment for inclusion in MNDâ€™s Vox Pop section up front.  Mike did not accept it for that section.  Evidently he feels it a threat to HIS dung heap.<br />
It&#8217;s his site, and a good one.  He can accept or reject anything he likes, but I leave it to you to determine if its higher placement would have been for the good of the movement.<br />
Richard Doyle</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, 

Section 8 sounds like it is the key for corruption considering you are in debt to the federal reserve for eternity. Common defence, eh? The biggest army in the world is defending? Sounds crazy.

........

*****Weird thing is, federal mandates are implemented by states such that they are not uniform throughout the United States. On the other hand, this is the primary mechanism they use to present the false impression that family law is still under state control.*****

These guys are very clever gangsters. 

You don&#039;t have to comment any more. You have given me plenty and I am grateful. Thank-you. 

I wonder however, if some of the financial IRS experts on the documentary would be worth contacting. You never know where something leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, </p>
<p>Section 8 sounds like it is the key for corruption considering you are in debt to the federal reserve for eternity. Common defence, eh? The biggest army in the world is defending? Sounds crazy.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>*****Weird thing is, federal mandates are implemented by states such that they are not uniform throughout the United States. On the other hand, this is the primary mechanism they use to present the false impression that family law is still under state control.*****</p>
<p>These guys are very clever gangsters. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to comment any more. You have given me plenty and I am grateful. Thank-you. </p>
<p>I wonder however, if some of the financial IRS experts on the documentary would be worth contacting. You never know where something leads.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>United States Constitution 
&lt;i&gt;Section 8: The Congress shall have power 
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;&lt;/i&gt;

Weird thing is, federal mandates are implemented by states such that they are not uniform throughout the United States. On the other hand, this is the primary mechanism they use to present the false impression that family law is still under state control.

This taxes are illegal thing has been a never-ending battle with some folks, and they haven&#039;t won yet. The current CS laws are illegal, but as far as I can tell, taxes generally are not. I don&#039;t see how attachment to a lost battle would help the difficult battle to bring CS law back into civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United States Constitution<br />
<i>Section 8: The Congress shall have power<br />
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;</i></p>
<p>Weird thing is, federal mandates are implemented by states such that they are not uniform throughout the United States. On the other hand, this is the primary mechanism they use to present the false impression that family law is still under state control.</p>
<p>This taxes are illegal thing has been a never-ending battle with some folks, and they haven&#8217;t won yet. The current CS laws are illegal, but as far as I can tell, taxes generally are not. I don&#8217;t see how attachment to a lost battle would help the difficult battle to bring CS law back into civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, .... I don&#039;t know what to say to be honest. 

The people in the documentary seemed to consider the law worthwhile taking on. Maybe parents suffering from the CS tax can make life a little easier by not paying income tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, &#8230;. I don&#8217;t know what to say to be honest. </p>
<p>The people in the documentary seemed to consider the law worthwhile taking on. Maybe parents suffering from the CS tax can make life a little easier by not paying income tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>julie;

I&#039;m sure that it is illegal, and parhaps it is illegal in more ways than I&#039;ve figured out. The problem is that the courts are made up of members of the same political parties as make the laws, and their loyalty to party is stronger than loyalty to their oath of office. The great driving force behind it all is the billions upon billions in pork each year associated with the federal program. That puts a whole lot of pressure on judges to violate their oaths. They also know that they hold office at the pleasure of politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>julie;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that it is illegal, and parhaps it is illegal in more ways than I&#8217;ve figured out. The problem is that the courts are made up of members of the same political parties as make the laws, and their loyalty to party is stronger than loyalty to their oath of office. The great driving force behind it all is the billions upon billions in pork each year associated with the federal program. That puts a whole lot of pressure on judges to violate their oaths. They also know that they hold office at the pleasure of politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, I like your answer!

Nothing added changed it as the raw law it started as .. as far as I can tell. 

Gosh, wouldn&#039;t it be really weird if it turns out that this in itself is an illegal law now a days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, I like your answer!</p>
<p>Nothing added changed it as the raw law it started as .. as far as I can tell. </p>
<p>Gosh, wouldn&#8217;t it be really weird if it turns out that this in itself is an illegal law now a days.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>julie; That&#039;s an interesting question. I don&#039;t believe it has been classified as a tax, but that was actually the original idea proposed by Irwin Garfinkel 1979. (For full reference, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam11.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;citations list&lt;/a&gt;.) Garfinkel is pretty-much the grandfather of federal child support reforms. His original idea was to tax all divorced and never married fathers based on their income and then redistribute according to need.

I think current child support does have the character of a tax - but they&#039;ve kept it messy enough so that it&#039;s not actually anything. It&#039;s an arbitrarily determined politically controlled amount like a tax treated according to rules of social / economic policy. They even tried real hard to put the IRS in charge of collections, but the IRS didn&#039;t want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>julie; That&#8217;s an interesting question. I don&#8217;t believe it has been classified as a tax, but that was actually the original idea proposed by Irwin Garfinkel 1979. (For full reference, see <a href="http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam11.htm" rel="nofollow">citations list</a>.) Garfinkel is pretty-much the grandfather of federal child support reforms. His original idea was to tax all divorced and never married fathers based on their income and then redistribute according to need.</p>
<p>I think current child support does have the character of a tax &#8211; but they&#8217;ve kept it messy enough so that it&#8217;s not actually anything. It&#8217;s an arbitrarily determined politically controlled amount like a tax treated according to rules of social / economic policy. They even tried real hard to put the IRS in charge of collections, but the IRS didn&#8217;t want it.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something I wrote that may guide others to the question of whether CS is a tax. 

http://menz.org.nz/2008/child-support-is-government-tax/

Under the constitution as you will see in the documentary, taxes can only be paid to share amongst all Americans. As in indirect taxes. 

If in fact alimony is being directed from a tax court then it is a tax and is unconstitutional. 

Wish someone was here to discuss this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something I wrote that may guide others to the question of whether CS is a tax. </p>
<p><a href="http://menz.org.nz/2008/child-support-is-government-tax/" rel="nofollow">http://menz.org.nz/2008/child-support-is-government-tax/</a></p>
<p>Under the constitution as you will see in the documentary, taxes can only be paid to share amongst all Americans. As in indirect taxes. </p>
<p>If in fact alimony is being directed from a tax court then it is a tax and is unconstitutional. </p>
<p>Wish someone was here to discuss this.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me Roger, But I have a question since you are an expert on CS. 

Is CS a tax?

Is there fees put on CS that are a tax? 

The reason I ask is that people in America are getting away from going to prison over income taxes in the District courts because they are not under the supreme courts jurisdiction. 

See sixteenth amendment and Pollock_v._Farmers Loan &amp; Trust Co. 

http://tinyurl.com/5n2z4

Also a documentary on the tax system and standing up against it. 

http://www.squidoo.com/America-From-Freedom-to-Fascism

It could be a long shot of a question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me Roger, But I have a question since you are an expert on CS. </p>
<p>Is CS a tax?</p>
<p>Is there fees put on CS that are a tax? </p>
<p>The reason I ask is that people in America are getting away from going to prison over income taxes in the District courts because they are not under the supreme courts jurisdiction. </p>
<p>See sixteenth amendment and Pollock_v._Farmers Loan &amp; Trust Co. </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5n2z4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5n2z4</a></p>
<p>Also a documentary on the tax system and standing up against it. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.squidoo.com/America-From-Freedom-to-Fascism" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidoo.com/America-From-Freedom-to-Fascism</a></p>
<p>It could be a long shot of a question.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger F. Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger F. Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I routinely unblock things that are caught by the automatic spam filter - which is the thing that causes the problem sometimes when your comments don&#039;t post. This is the first time I&#039;ve seen one that it should have been blocked. I can delete it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I routinely unblock things that are caught by the automatic spam filter &#8211; which is the thing that causes the problem sometimes when your comments don&#8217;t post. This is the first time I&#8217;ve seen one that it should have been blocked. I can delete it.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean our words are being discussed in Bald- Men&#039;s Clinics? Maybe we will get into small-print on product bottles soon. Any forum is a good forum, I guess.
Hah ! Take that you darned main stream media !  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean our words are being discussed in Bald- Men&#8217;s Clinics? Maybe we will get into small-print on product bottles soon. Any forum is a good forum, I guess.<br />
Hah ! Take that you darned main stream media !  <img src='http://mensnewsdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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