Poor Alec Baldwin Still Doesn’t Get It

Baldwin gets it. His bread is buttered on the left. He’ll make all his squealing noises to get attention, but when big sister comes around, he’ll put his tongue back in his mouth and his tail between his legs.

Well Alec Baldwin is a left wing liberal because in Hollywood, you almost have to be. But I can guarantee you that if the hell his exwife and her state codefendants have caused him continues, he will come around. He is not stupid, he had just been insulated from the most devastating effects of divorce, he came out with some of his money and property intact, most of us do not! Once the ” out of control system” drains him enough and up to now it has been doing a good job of it, soon he will not have that “insulation” anymore and he will soon learn that no political party supports fathers rights and the Democrats are the worlds worst.
He may never be a gun totting, right wing votin’ and beer drinking regular guy, but he will smartin’ up and be a powerful ally in the fight against feminazism and their “gestapo state allies”. It will take all of us , liberal and conservative alike, although I can hardly believe anyone who goes through the injustices and the indignities we go through could remain a liberal.
It will take the fathers rights, mens rights, family law reform group or whatever you want to call us, getting together and bringing massive political, economic and legal pressure to bear to force a change. You the system is too powerful and deeply intrenched to be moved without that happening. So liberal or not any help ,even Alec Baldwins is appreciated.

Robert,

I’m a liberal.

Sorry about that. I know it’s beside your point but I’ve been on a personal crusade against misuse of the term. The core of the Democratic Party, the feminazis and such, are not liberal. Liberals are like the people who created the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Pretty much all of them did tote guns and they ocassionally thumped bibles as well.

so sorry Roger but Democratic Party and the feminazi’s now have a corner on that term. As far as the people who created the constitution, check your history they were about as conservative as you can get, it was just that Old King George III was a tyrant and he had to be stopped. Besides, not too many liberals have the morals and the christian beliefs our founding fathers had. I think your mistaking, freedom loving and a dedication to righteous and justice to being a liberal. Today most people who call themselves liberals are people who have no moral barometer, who think everything is relative. Kinda like the thinking that has gotten all of us fathers and men into the God awful position we now find ourselves.

Robert,

We refer to it as conservative now, but back during revolutionary times it was revolutionary. Liberal political philosophy is still the name of the ideas upon which the Constitution and Bill of Rights are based. People in the US who still think that’s a good philosophy 200+ years later are known as “conservative” because they don’t want to radically change the fundamentals.

The terms have become confused both because politicians began treating them as synonyms for political parties – even though the political parties are not committed to any particular political philosophy, and because liberal v. conservative social preferences came to the forefront in the culture wars and became politically meaningful.

One of the main points in The American Feminist Party on Palin is that there’s been too much tom-foolery with the language. When all the words mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean, there is no more language. There’s the Tower of Babble thing and no communication at all. If one group controls the language, they control the argument.

Denyse O’Leary also discusses political control through manipulation of language in What happens when intellectual freedom dies?

My position is that we need to call them what they are.

Amazon.com review

I just hope you can pull it off Roger. To most people a liberal is a liberal is a liberal. Most people I know speak english and know the meanings of words. I don’t think you are a liberal, I think you are like me, a constitutionalist, someone who believes in freedom and that the rights of all people should be protected, not just the Pretty and Politically Correct.
But irreguardless, everyone affected by this God Awful Government Sponsored Kidnapping and Extortion Racket calling itself the family court system, will have to ally together. I don’t believe there will many liberals in that alliance, but there will be a few! Because even real liberal, once they are abused by that racket of a system, will stand up and act like men.

Even if baldwin dosn’t yet “get it”, he’s still a high profile man who is speaking out against the divorce industry, and he’ll be heard by more of we hoi polloi than the ordinary divorced man would be. Hopefully, Baldwin will connect the dots someday…

Isn’t this whole thing about a man’s love for his daughter? Or is it about you and your political agenda?

teri
jugsforjustice

The promos set him up as a guide for other fathers. Love is not the subject. There appears to be a false promise of help for others.

Rob Stevens says: “He may never be a gun totting, right wing votin’ and beer drinking regular guy…”. Hmmmm. Neither am I, Rob. And it may be that the beer-swillers may need, sometimes, to unite with the ‘lambs-to-the-slaughter’ lefties when the latter are pointing in the right direction. Even if just for Tactical reasons.

The Family Court cares not a whit whether you dress to the left or the right just so long as you have a dick to dangle. They want to chop it off regardless.

Americans, from where I stand, put far too much emphasis on the Politics a chap espouses even when that political system is one giant ‘fix’ in a game played by two corrupt private organisations who make and break their own rules and to hell with the taxpaying voter. A Pox on them all.

Here is Baldwin, a man who has been abused by the system. He is howling, publically and widely. He has gone into print and embarked on a talk-fest that exposes the anti-male Court. He slams that system.

Isn’t that what we want?

I do not care if he is green-spotted-skinned and has a third eye in his forehead. He wants to expose the family court and the child support system. So do we. I don’t expect his spots will change but pass the man a beer and some ammo.

Think of Baldwin’s book and TV appearances as a huge Artilliary piece. He is pushing it uphill to where it can overlook the Valley of Death where the Family Court has its Tower of Doom. Get behind and push. It could prove a very useful weapon.

amfortas,

I’ve ordered the book. Actually spent my own money on it. We’ll see. But it looks like a case of misdirected anger. I suppose I shouldn’t speculate on it endlessly. The book will arrive one day and I’ll read it. Then I’ll comment again – probably with a book review.

I’ve seen a couple comments at Amazon already – people responding to Baldwin by saying yes it’s true – the LA courts are corrupt. Right there I’m pissed at Baldwin and his book promoters. The problems are often hidden by the media by characterizing them as local problems – a small glitch in the system somewhere – maybe – that the rest of us can’t deal with because it’s outside our jurisdiction – and don’t care about because we’ll never go there.

And as my article points out – it doesn’t make any sense for this guy to be supporting the Democratic Party. I don’t know how you can imagine that this isn’t important given the Democratic Party’s record abuse of men. You say both parties are to blame. I’ve said that a million times myself. The Democratic Party has actually had their intent to damage fathers in their party platform for 20 years and they’ve acted on that consistently (although it started in the Reagan years – see Kicking the Morris Addiction, The Secret Formula for a McCain Victory ).

This is political. How can you think we overemphasize the importance of politics? It is political.

Good for you Roger. I will look forward to reading your views about the book. I will not be buying it though. I can see its usefulness in message spreading to those who have little or no idea, but for one who has read so many tales of woe it is redundant. But I will push the wagon.

If as you say it gives an impression that the issue is a ’small glitch’, and local to LA, I take your point. It will take we and others some effort to prise the chink open and let the public see the extent of the rot inside the whole system.

But we need to see the political perpective the same way ourselves.

‘Democrat’ is ‘local’ I know most Americans don’t see their country as a small place but it is. It is not the world. Not even the anglosphere. There are many different political parties and while it is convenient to lump some on the Left and some on the Right, and they might have some similarities within the groups, it is is the effect rather than originating powers that I am interested in.

In many western countries the Left introduced the rotten, anti-family legislations and courts and associated paraphernalia. It was the Left that started the major anti-man and boy, pro woman philosophies.

But the Right has held political power for the majority of the time since the 1970’s in some ‘localities’ and they have done nothing to change the rot. Nothing. In fact under the Republican /Conservative / Liberal (yes, elsewhere the right is called ‘Liberal. You guys have no idea the translation issues we durn furriners have) parties have only made matters worse.

The ‘Right’ has sustained and extended the rot, the anti-male legislations, the affirmative actions, the incredible bias we see everywhere. And it is (almost) literally incredible that tha struggle that the western nations, notably Britain, went through for well over 700 years to devise a system of law that curtailed State power and enhanced Individual Freedom, Equality of all before the Law, Habeus Corpus, Innocence until proven guilty etc. has been swepy away in ONE generation without a shot being fired nor a Kommisar with Khalashinov in hand and snow on his boots striding down the street.

We lose sight of some things. A man can now have his tools of trade taken away by the C$A. That ‘right’ was Established by Magna Carta. 700 years struck out without a shred of evidence being proven. And we talk about the “Democrats” !

The political system prevailing in the ‘Democracies’ is broken. It is corrupt. It does not serve the people. It is self-serving. It copies its peers rather than creating conditions for Freedom, Truth, Justice, Equality. Men, in the western democracies are NOT SEEN as citizens. We have been re-branded as the internal enemies of the State.

Who has done this? The Political Parties. Not one, but both major political strands.

It isn’t a rotteness in the LA Courts – established under State law – a part of National Laws, but is seen all over the various jurisdictions, unbound by national Borders.

To point the finger at the Democrats is no better than pointing the same finger at LA. Tell me how LA is different from Sydney? And Calgary. And British West Hartlepools. Tell me how the American Democrats are different from the Australian Liberals or the UKs Conservatives. They are more distinguished by their propensity to steal and lie than by any ability or desire to ensure men’s rights and freedoms or the existence of the Family.

A Pox on them all.

amfortas;

Give your views, I think you should go to Amazon.com and enter a kind of popular review. Say how good it is that Baldwin will reach a very large audience, and then add a recommendation in your review for Stephen Baskerville’s book – as a better source of information and analysis.

A message from the American Coalition for Fathers and Children:

Dear Reader,

Last Tuesday, Alec Baldwin’s long anticipated book, A Promise To Ourselves: A Journey Through Fatherhood and Divorce, chronicling his experiences with Parental Alienation and the family courts of Los Angeles was released.

On Wednesday Alec gave his first live TV interview about the book on ABC’s daytime program ‘The View.’ In addition to Alec’s story, Jill Egizii related her experiences as a mother battling parental alienation and how she has spent years out of the life of her children. I was also interviewed regarding the need for family law reform and shared parenting.

There was strong opposition from several groups protesting the content and airing of the program. Executives at ABC indicated their email system was overwhelmed by all the negative traffic.

Our thanks to Alec Baldwin for his courage in writing a candid book about his personal experiences with parental alienation and the courts. We also thank ABC and ‘The View’ for having the courage to tackle this controversial subject.

The View’s audience is predominately female. I’m pleased to report there was significant support from both the audience and the hosts for improving the family law system in such a way that children are able to maximize their relationships with both parents, regardless of the parents marital status. ‘The View’ was a positive for Shared Parenting.

Click here to see a couple of photographs from the show.

Sincerely,
Mike McCormick, Exec. Dir.
ACFC

I don’t have the intelligence in history nor school books as many here do but I know what I know from the ground.

It is man/woman made fear that makes people stand against men. And/or lack of knowledge.

I went to a health meeting that hundreds of male specialists attended. I stood up and spoke your words. Something that was not on the schedule.

They gave me a prize as well as the microphone and the whole meeting changed. Afterwards men from America, Australia and New Zealand came up and thanked me saying, “I thought but I never really understood”. Practically everyone of them.

My own city has asked for me to stand as the community worker of the year. It is not me they want to hear. It is YOU.

The people not in the know are fighting their own belief system when you speak up to them. They are lost and afraid.

You hold people accountable with your truth. That is pretty scary stuff for them.

…….. But…

Don’t you ever look beyond the people and wonder why no-one stands for men?

Have you not yet heard that socialism cannot work unless men fold to it? I have heard socialists say they hope men don’t.

And I have heard men on the radio saying they would change but women don’t want them weak. Why does the system try so hard to break men? Why do feminists complain about men’s strengths?

There must be more to this!!

I also want to say that men are they key to the corruption at the top. America is the enemy to the bankers. It is something about your patriotism. But I don’t understand it. I don’t even know what it means but I am sure you do.

julie;

Who’s words? What did you say?

Roger, I started with the question, “Do you think the Governments will ever allow a men’s commission?” (that is a great one for health workers I think)

Then I gave them the facts from the Swedish men who are finding that the Government has no intention of financially helping out both men and women. I related this to NZ and England where the men have made their own commissions but they are unable to get full Government support.

I then spoke about feminism and the effect that feminising all our men is going to have on the next generation and the next and so forth.

There is an attack on men’s masculinity and our own boys at school show the signs of being depressed and now a days ADHD drugs boys for depression as well as hyperactivity which occurs because boys are not allowed to run around at schools any more. ADHD is not the same as ADD. Anything sport these days is being looked down upon as well as risk taking and masculine creativity.

The Governments have taken up caring for anything women want but it is at the cost of men. And globally men are being refused any assistance because they are seen as the tax payers for women’s wants.

There is much knowledge that I have read and I basically let it run from my mouth. Men are an endangered species.

After that I gave out flyers which contained information on the hardship of men over rape laws etc. that sites give.

I hope that was acceptable.

julie;

It sounds quite powerful. Wish you’d have recorded it. Digital recordings can so easily be shared on the Internet. Congratulations on a great presentation.

It was powerful Roger because one of the heads of the health department in NZ tried to answer me in a PC manner and then dropped it and got honest and then starting picking other men in the audience to stand up and speak out. It was a great meeting.

There was a specialist from America who spoke out how a man from Wall St had donated $40 million to prostate cancer which in turn got the American Government involved. Of course the Government must have it’s hand in this. lol

They also spoke about the need for men to start getting together and getting the male politicians involved.

I don’t think many men even understand what is really going on.

Reaching an audience like that with cultural perspective is extremely important. Health care workers are important. They need to understand what’s going on. You got to the point of explaining that even psychiatric diagnosis and treatment is politically biased, corrupt social engineering rather than scientifically based. Great job. Great news to hear that the message you delivered was received. Carry on!

Roger, he has helped others. Many men have no idea this is common. They think they’re completely alone. Until they find us.

Teri,

Consistent with the article – keeping in mind that the DNC has had a man-hating plank in their platform for the past two decades, that Obama / Biden_VAWA have promised to increase funding for anti-father federal programs – how does Baldwin’s support for the Democratic Party – mixing the identity of cheated dad with support for the party – end up helping men? That’s just misleading, don’t you think?

Well, as much as I detest Biden’s domestic violence policies, I still prefer Obama and Biden over McCain and Palin. I was in shock for a week over Obama’s choice. I almost went to “the other side.” But I simply can’t. I have always been for the little guy. So are Democrats. I hope one of these days they’ll figure out men have become the little guy.

Roger and Teri, I wonder how much of these programs will be run by feminists and how many will be run by others from mental health, criminology, family violence and victim support groups?

And I wonder how much focus will go on fatherlessness?

I think that community groups are getting sick of feminists and as more male groups start making better ground the focus is shifting.

The policies are hard to change and you might just find there is quite a number of groups working their own methods that are under feminist ideology behind the scenes. There is quite a number of feminists in hospitals with pregnant women on drugs and there is quite a number finding that women’s anger has to be dealt with for the children’s sakes.

Nothing is what it seems out there from what I see and the only ones really holding it back are the political feminists. But then sometimes I wonder if all this is about funding and that there is fear the funding will be cut for many groups once women’s issues become gender issues or null.

If you ever get the chance to speak with those who collect funding for addiction you will surprisingly find that they receive funding for men under the women’s funding umbrella.

Teri,

Well, not sure we want to start a knock-down drag-out political debate – but speaking as an old guy who’s seen it all by now – the Democrats aren’t for the little guy. That’s just sales talk. Their support for extreme feminism is for pork-barreling and demonstrates how ruthless they are toward regular people when stealing the treasury and the people. They’re maffia.

julie;

It is my view that government involvement and support for the feminist agenda is all about money. They provided an excuse for spending with a lot of money going out into private hands and to the states. This is the most corrupt kind of pork-barreling.

I agree with you that the general population is sick and tired of extreme feminism. They kind of ignored the feminist debate even back when laws were being passed – thinking it was too stupid to matter. Legal reforms only got public support when a conservative political spin was used to sell them – claiming they would reduce welfare dependency and such, and by lying about the details.

Over the past decade, the government has said they support fathers’ involvement in children’s lives on many occassions and even claimed to provide some funding for that objective. But the money always goes to existing anti-father programs. Someone just puts some very twisted spin on the explanation about why it’s going there and what they expect the effect to be.

Thanx Roger, that make sense to me. I had contacted many groups over things and some I thought were very caring people. But even CEOs were saying, “Please don’t bring us into this”.

It is almost like many groups are afraid to speak out but then I wonder how many fathers groups start and close because of other reasons.

Trusts and such start up just as companies and as many as companies close so do trusts. But there are many men’s groups starting now and have been for some time. I am sure it is all coming together.

I have gained a lot from the articles and comments here.

I think some of my own personal beliefs are going to conflict with the bigger issues of the men’s movements and I only really wanted some smaller answers.

So I’ll leave this site the wonderful way it is for now and just say thanx to all and keep up the good work.

Thanx for your time Roger.

Nice to have you around julie. You’re welcome back any time of course.

I find it interesting that on the particular site Politics trumps a father’s wish to be not alienated from his child, that because he is a celebrity with money he is beneath the writer of this expose on his character, and because he has chosen to use his celebrity to expose the flaws in the family justice system that benefits all alienated and discarded parents he is skewed with venom.

I don’t have a clue who you are Mr. Gay but you sure do not have a clue about fathers who have been marginalized by a legal system as much to do with Republicans as Democrats. You should be writing on a feminist site not this one or is the name Mens News Daily misleading to men.

roger, I’d prefer not to have a knock-down drag-out. I hate conflict. I appreciate your opinion.

julie, it’s absolutely about funding. maybe in substance abuse it’s equal, but not in domestic violence. now I’m curious… since they have tons of substance abuse programs where women bring their children, do they have any for fathers where kids can stay?

Doesn’t the fact that Alec Baldwin is a known leftie make his critisism of the family courts more powerful? – given that, for example, he would normally be prone to support the feminist agenda?

I must come back to reply to this….

Teri Stoddard, says…

julie, it’s absolutely about funding. maybe in substance abuse it’s equal, but not in domestic violence. now I’m curious… since they have tons of substance abuse programs where women bring their children, do they have any for fathers where kids can stay?

Firstly Teri, I think so much of you. You are someone very special in our world.

OK, I will give you the run down from what I know.

Odyssey House is one of the leading groups in addiction and once again started by a woman. Homeless shelters, women again. The list just goes on because women are made better for this kind of work. Caring for the elderly, caring for the babies, caring for pregnant women and new mothers. I mean, it is one hell of a thing to be anti. The good women are not naive to men’s plight.

It is not just addiction places that are successful to care for fathers. Many groups use women funding to make buildings and programs. Anything that men can come under is taken advantage of. Like a parent’s program and shelter.

But men alone and without children are the ones that lack the support. Women who are in charge of funding have to hit business to get men cared for but business is out for credibility and a pat on the back as social carers.

Male issues just don’t look so important as victims. Except for minority groups. They get funding regardless of man or woman. We have men’s shelters for DV in minority groups. It is just not open to the public to scrutinise. Also these groups will take white men. Everyone is working around the funding policies.

In other words, it is men’s groups that have to work the system. Work the media and work the business sector.

Fatherlessness and fathers with children is something that anyone can make huge progress on. And you yourself go for a child’s right. How much does that have favour in our system of things?

Just in case I have not answered your question right I will talk from a feminist point of view on DV.

Here goes….

When women bring out statistics to use in the community others in research have a right to protest against their work. Sometimes it takes years to get the research out of the University and into the political arena where it can be funded and then into the community where it can be implemented.

So before it gets to the community much fight has gone on.

But down here on the ground they express their views. Feminists say that they have only been using their ideas for 20 years and they feel they deserve the chance to get it right.

It is like Bush’s administration saying, “We know we made mistakes in the war but we have learnt from them and we will make better decisions”.

BTW, I got the women in our area who made the biggest feminist research in the country taken out of the council where she was implementing her work. She now works giving out funding for a bank.

I complained about every little detail I could find and even threatened to take the council to court through the Human Rights commission. We don’t need this crap. We have the worst DV record in the country. Now I go after the feminist leader for family violence in the police force for saying, “Men have a refuge. The pub”.

I am not the only one. The biggest profile case in the country for DV has feminist cop workers threatening the man on taped phone calls.

Just to add some more facts to people who most likely are already in the know…

Criminal judges and their wives sit on boards for groups that work with criminals. They are also great funders.

The criminal system thinks the FC system a joke and criminal lawyers reckon FC lawyers are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to lawyers.

So basically the FC is the worst run system and has a very bad reputation.

Women are having problems too because the FC people are changing to suit men when held accountable and if they can they will make a case last as long as possible just for the money.

I myself studied law as an adult and I couldn’t beleive how weak these people were. I can tell you honestly that lawyers have more problems in their own lives than the people they help. Same with counsellors.

Do any of you remember when people thought these people scum. And why?

Because they were the sick trying to help the sick. It is not about being on high. It is about being real and honest.

MikeMurphy;

Perhaps you are not aware that marriage and family law is now much more directly politically controlled than in the past, and that it is now regulated by the federal government. Family law, including parental rights issues, are political issues. Where the parties stand on family policy is directly related to the treatment fathers get in the family law machine. If you want to learn more about the history and cause of the major difficulties fathers are facing, there is information in this article and many others at MND.

This recent article may be of interest to you, as well as the following article published today: A Dire Warning for Families from the RNC.

Interesting development? Baldwin Blames Financial Crisis on Clinton, Dems and Barney Frank

“If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

I’m reading Baldwin’s book now. I think it’s possible Alec Baldwin’s left brain has been shaken awake…

Mike,

I’m also reading his book. Interesting that he mentions consulting with his image handlers at least once in the process – and I’m not that far into the book yet. Usually, I wouldn’t buy a book like this at all. I guess it might be an interesting investment, since it is leading to some media attention on the issues.

The Huffington Post link lead me to pick through their site this morning. The HP is really a model for the resurgent Left. What a hoot. The US economy is on life-support, so naturally these Democrats and their fellow travelers are cocky and sure of themselves at last. Now they are trotting out academic psychologists to bury McCain in a mudslide of politically-motivated behavioral-analysis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathlyn-and-gay-hendricks/body-politics-what-mccain_b_130378.html

Any good therapist learns to read the language of the body, but you don’t need an advanced degree to understand John McCain’s. His patterns are about as subtle as the flashing lights on a sign that says “Danger Ahead.” Since we may end up married to him for four years, we need to pay particularly close attention to two patterns of his: smirking and jaw-clenching.

The HP thinks this is science? What’s next? Phrenology?

Of course it isn’t science. They just can’t win arguing the issues.

hi julie,

I’d like to hear more about the woman you took down, and the funding. Do you have my email address? teri@sharedparentingworks.org

thank you so much for the compliment! but all I do is tell the truth.

teri