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		<title>By: Suicide and DV - antimisandry.com</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/10/domestic-violence-homicides-and-suicides/comment-page-1/#comment-66928</link>
		<dc:creator>Suicide and DV - antimisandry.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/10/domestic-violence-homicides-and-suicides/  I trust that everything happens for a reason, even when we are not wise enough to see it. - Oprah Winfrey  October is Domestic Violence Awareness month. Male related domestic violence deaths seem to be .... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/10/domestic-violence-homicides-and-suicides/" rel="nofollow">http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/10/domestic-violence-homicides-and-suicides/</a>  I trust that everything happens for a reason, even when we are not wise enough to see it. &#8211; Oprah Winfrey  October is Domestic Violence Awareness month. Male related domestic violence deaths seem to be &#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shatteredmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>shatteredmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom said:  &quot;I spoke to The Timesâ€™s Daniel Finkelstein, telling him that a Denver Post article indicated that in Utah for 2005, 42 of 44 DV related suicides&quot;

I contend that many of these suicides by men may not actually be...suicide.  Many could well be murder.  I have often seen that when a man &quot;commits suicide&quot; the police seldom look any further but if a woman does, they look for reasons it may not  have been a suicide.  

One of the associate diretors of Shattered Men told me that a man she knew from her church finally told her that he was a victim of domestic abuse.  They talked for several hours and he finally had hope.  He had planed on getting several other men from that church who he knew were also victims of domestic abuse and meeting together with her within a week or two.  The following day, he &quot;committed sucide&quot;  I ask...why would he do that when he finally say hope that someone would care, someone would listen to these men.  He started making plans for the future again so the bottom line is I very much doubt that his death was..suicide. 

I have been saying we WILL see many more murder/suicides as time goes by with the VAWA as it encourage false accusations of abuse both to women and to children as it rewards women to be victims.  YES we know there are far too many women that are abused...but remember, there are as many abused men who have NO protection.


http://www.shatterdmen.com/MS.htm

The Early Show on CBS had a segment on a new women&#039;s shelter created after a police chief; David Brame murdered his wife and then took his own life.

David Brame claimed he had been victimized in the relationship. He accused his wife of having a &quot;ferocious temper&quot; and being emotionally unstable (for which nothing was done, no one looked into her history)
so the &quot;neighbor&quot; who saw it has been tampered with since that same neighbor did NOT come forward AT THAT TIME, but the ex sure did say that about the gun....
Since Mr Brame was a police officer, this would have meant he would have lost everything due to these false accusations. It has been enough motive for murder/suicide in the past and it will be again far too often in the future unless we offer men the SAME protection we offer women for abuse. It would also mean he knew far too well what the results would be for any man accused of domestic abuse with or without any evidence to back it up.


http://www.shatterdmen.com/MurderSuicides.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom said:  &#8220;I spoke to The Timesâ€™s Daniel Finkelstein, telling him that a Denver Post article indicated that in Utah for 2005, 42 of 44 DV related suicides&#8221;</p>
<p>I contend that many of these suicides by men may not actually be&#8230;suicide.  Many could well be murder.  I have often seen that when a man &#8220;commits suicide&#8221; the police seldom look any further but if a woman does, they look for reasons it may not  have been a suicide.  </p>
<p>One of the associate diretors of Shattered Men told me that a man she knew from her church finally told her that he was a victim of domestic abuse.  They talked for several hours and he finally had hope.  He had planed on getting several other men from that church who he knew were also victims of domestic abuse and meeting together with her within a week or two.  The following day, he &#8220;committed sucide&#8221;  I ask&#8230;why would he do that when he finally say hope that someone would care, someone would listen to these men.  He started making plans for the future again so the bottom line is I very much doubt that his death was..suicide. </p>
<p>I have been saying we WILL see many more murder/suicides as time goes by with the VAWA as it encourage false accusations of abuse both to women and to children as it rewards women to be victims.  YES we know there are far too many women that are abused&#8230;but remember, there are as many abused men who have NO protection.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shatterdmen.com/MS.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.shatterdmen.com/MS.htm</a></p>
<p>The Early Show on CBS had a segment on a new women&#8217;s shelter created after a police chief; David Brame murdered his wife and then took his own life.</p>
<p>David Brame claimed he had been victimized in the relationship. He accused his wife of having a &#8220;ferocious temper&#8221; and being emotionally unstable (for which nothing was done, no one looked into her history)<br />
so the &#8220;neighbor&#8221; who saw it has been tampered with since that same neighbor did NOT come forward AT THAT TIME, but the ex sure did say that about the gun&#8230;.<br />
Since Mr Brame was a police officer, this would have meant he would have lost everything due to these false accusations. It has been enough motive for murder/suicide in the past and it will be again far too often in the future unless we offer men the SAME protection we offer women for abuse. It would also mean he knew far too well what the results would be for any man accused of domestic abuse with or without any evidence to back it up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shatterdmen.com/MurderSuicides.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.shatterdmen.com/MurderSuicides.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: tom of covent garden</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom of covent garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of years ago, I wrote to Lord Campbell Savors, a labour peer, who subsequently tabled a question in the House of Lords, to find out whether UK domestic violence-related suicide statistics were correlated by gender. The Labour government&#039;s answer: No.

If as this article suggests, more men die of DV-related activity than women when including suicide, then it is worth noting every time we argue with a victim-fem who tries to negate equal abuser claims by pointing to the homicide statistics.

Conservative former leader, Iain Duncan Smith, made a speech in the House of Commons calling for greater powers of prosecution for abusers, after a suicide of the victim, highlighting a female constituent of his who killed herself, her diary revealing she&#039;d been a victim of DV. On the same day, The Times printed an article highlighting a study showing X% of female suicide victims were suffering from DV (ignoring the male victims), so the establishment approach is to highlight the female victims of DV suicide, and ignore the males, in order to progress our &#039;awareness&#039; on this new topic.

I spoke to The Times&#039;s Daniel Finkelstein, telling him that a Denver Post article indicated that in Utah for 2005, 42 of 44 DV related suicides were male. He showed some interest, but never got back to me, and The Times never printed the male perspective, as usual.  

I will direct Daniel, Iain and Lord Savors to your article and website. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of years ago, I wrote to Lord Campbell Savors, a labour peer, who subsequently tabled a question in the House of Lords, to find out whether UK domestic violence-related suicide statistics were correlated by gender. The Labour government&#8217;s answer: No.</p>
<p>If as this article suggests, more men die of DV-related activity than women when including suicide, then it is worth noting every time we argue with a victim-fem who tries to negate equal abuser claims by pointing to the homicide statistics.</p>
<p>Conservative former leader, Iain Duncan Smith, made a speech in the House of Commons calling for greater powers of prosecution for abusers, after a suicide of the victim, highlighting a female constituent of his who killed herself, her diary revealing she&#8217;d been a victim of DV. On the same day, The Times printed an article highlighting a study showing X% of female suicide victims were suffering from DV (ignoring the male victims), so the establishment approach is to highlight the female victims of DV suicide, and ignore the males, in order to progress our &#8216;awareness&#8217; on this new topic.</p>
<p>I spoke to The Times&#8217;s Daniel Finkelstein, telling him that a Denver Post article indicated that in Utah for 2005, 42 of 44 DV related suicides were male. He showed some interest, but never got back to me, and The Times never printed the male perspective, as usual.  </p>
<p>I will direct Daniel, Iain and Lord Savors to your article and website. Thanks.</p>
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