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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;I&#8217;m Pagan and I Vote&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: NCPagan</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/11/im-pagan-and-i-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-67526</link>
		<dc:creator>NCPagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% with DarkDancer.  I am a Pagan, I vote, and I am very religious.  Pagan is not the same as atheist or secular.  I tend to be on the liberal end of things, but many Pagans are.  Just because we are Non-Abrahamic does not mean we are irreligious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% with DarkDancer.  I am a Pagan, I vote, and I am very religious.  Pagan is not the same as atheist or secular.  I tend to be on the liberal end of things, but many Pagans are.  Just because we are Non-Abrahamic does not mean we are irreligious.</p>
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		<title>By: JBinLC</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/11/im-pagan-and-i-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-67515</link>
		<dc:creator>JBinLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiming in as another voting pagan who also happens to be a wartime vet. While it may not have been Dr. Kengor&#039;s intent to portray pagans as &quot;non-religious Americans,&quot; that is certainly how it reads. Simply put, such a statement would be grossly incorrect.

     As to why Evangelicals concern so many of us, there are a plethora of reasons. History, for one. We can see in past centuries in Europe, and even at the present in the middle east, just how well theocratic government works out. This has been an OPENLY STATED GOAL of several highly influencial evangelicals, not the lest of whom being the late Reverend Jerry Falwell and his leash holder Pat Robertson. Mr. Robertson has been highly involved behind the scenes with the GOP for years, and this year prominently featured one of his proteges, Ralph Reed (former leader of the Christian Coalition after Robertson) deeply, OFFICIALLY involved in the GOP during the campaign. These men, and those of like philosophy (evangelicals) espouse many of the very things that initially drove the Pilgrims to face the hardships inherent in initially settling this land. 

     The bottom line is this: we want government that GOVERNS, not government that preaches or ignores (or revokes!) the Establishment clause of the Bill of Rights (Article I for those less familiar with the document). If you want religion, go to the church, sanctuary, etc. of your choice and leave the decision to do, or not do, the same in the hands and hearts of every other individual to make as they so choose. This is a vital element of our Constitution, and we allow it to be tainted or removed at our own peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiming in as another voting pagan who also happens to be a wartime vet. While it may not have been Dr. Kengor&#8217;s intent to portray pagans as &#8220;non-religious Americans,&#8221; that is certainly how it reads. Simply put, such a statement would be grossly incorrect.</p>
<p>     As to why Evangelicals concern so many of us, there are a plethora of reasons. History, for one. We can see in past centuries in Europe, and even at the present in the middle east, just how well theocratic government works out. This has been an OPENLY STATED GOAL of several highly influencial evangelicals, not the lest of whom being the late Reverend Jerry Falwell and his leash holder Pat Robertson. Mr. Robertson has been highly involved behind the scenes with the GOP for years, and this year prominently featured one of his proteges, Ralph Reed (former leader of the Christian Coalition after Robertson) deeply, OFFICIALLY involved in the GOP during the campaign. These men, and those of like philosophy (evangelicals) espouse many of the very things that initially drove the Pilgrims to face the hardships inherent in initially settling this land. </p>
<p>     The bottom line is this: we want government that GOVERNS, not government that preaches or ignores (or revokes!) the Establishment clause of the Bill of Rights (Article I for those less familiar with the document). If you want religion, go to the church, sanctuary, etc. of your choice and leave the decision to do, or not do, the same in the hands and hearts of every other individual to make as they so choose. This is a vital element of our Constitution, and we allow it to be tainted or removed at our own peril.</p>
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		<title>By: TennesseeHeathen</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/11/im-pagan-and-i-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-67496</link>
		<dc:creator>TennesseeHeathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must also say I am Pagan and I vote. My wife is also pagan and votes. However sir you are making grossly wrong assumptions. Pagans are by my observation even more devout than most people who call themselves Christians. personally my family celebrates all our major holidays plus daily grace at meals and prayers before bed. We give to several charities and the local pagan church. The only difference is pagans pray to their own gods and not to the Abraham one. Pagans are far from godless. Nor are all of us leftist. Yes many of us are democrats. However my own specific brand of paganism is Asatru. In my experience, Asatru are overwhelmingly Conservatives with a . Personally I am a  conservative with libertarian leanings. I voted for Ron Paul in the Primaries and Bob Barr in the General Election. My honest opinion is if the GOP was less centered around conservative Christianity and more toward Jeffersonian style Republicanism, i.e. fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, limited government, and non-interventionalist foreign policy then the ranks of the GOP would swell with non-Christians. Every non-christian I know is a third party, independent or Democrat b/c of the Christian leaning of the GOP. However, Neoconservatives with such an intertwining of faith, views based on ignorance,and politics like that of the author have made the GOP so far from it&#039;s great origins they are Republicans in name only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must also say I am Pagan and I vote. My wife is also pagan and votes. However sir you are making grossly wrong assumptions. Pagans are by my observation even more devout than most people who call themselves Christians. personally my family celebrates all our major holidays plus daily grace at meals and prayers before bed. We give to several charities and the local pagan church. The only difference is pagans pray to their own gods and not to the Abraham one. Pagans are far from godless. Nor are all of us leftist. Yes many of us are democrats. However my own specific brand of paganism is Asatru. In my experience, Asatru are overwhelmingly Conservatives with a . Personally I am a  conservative with libertarian leanings. I voted for Ron Paul in the Primaries and Bob Barr in the General Election. My honest opinion is if the GOP was less centered around conservative Christianity and more toward Jeffersonian style Republicanism, i.e. fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, limited government, and non-interventionalist foreign policy then the ranks of the GOP would swell with non-Christians. Every non-christian I know is a third party, independent or Democrat b/c of the Christian leaning of the GOP. However, Neoconservatives with such an intertwining of faith, views based on ignorance,and politics like that of the author have made the GOP so far from it&#8217;s great origins they are Republicans in name only.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, good God, I am just digging a hole for myself with my comments. Sorry. Keep up the good work. Mike, all I have is just friends that were part of the music industry and art industry in the 70&#039;s, 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s. 

Some just happened to see a lot of stuff they probably shouldn&#039;t have seen and know a thing or 2 about a thing or 2. I do guess that you can&#039;t understand how people stepped out of reality as a way of coping with reality in those days. 

To be honest, I doubt very much that would fit in with some of your MRM writers. these guys might judt write a piece to make you all laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good God, I am just digging a hole for myself with my comments. Sorry. Keep up the good work. Mike, all I have is just friends that were part of the music industry and art industry in the 70&#8217;s, 80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Some just happened to see a lot of stuff they probably shouldn&#8217;t have seen and know a thing or 2 about a thing or 2. I do guess that you can&#8217;t understand how people stepped out of reality as a way of coping with reality in those days. </p>
<p>To be honest, I doubt very much that would fit in with some of your MRM writers. these guys might judt write a piece to make you all laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and BTW, these guys I talk of want me to tell you. They have been barred from America. They don&#039;t mind me writing but they mind them writing because they are writers by trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and BTW, these guys I talk of want me to tell you. They have been barred from America. They don&#8217;t mind me writing but they mind them writing because they are writers by trade.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me for asking this in your post. I don&#039;t know how to contact Mike. I too want to speak up from a Pagan point of view.
 
Mike ...can I please post an article sometimes. I take things very seriously and I promise I will not let you down. You can monitor everything and I will pay towards costs of the site., . I couldn&#039;t care less about credits. Honestly, I don&#039;t. The men who I will take the information from will go crazy that I pay but I am not a paid writer like they are. I sort of guess your costs are to pay writers. 

Hey, I have something to offer. 

We can negotiate my imput.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me for asking this in your post. I don&#8217;t know how to contact Mike. I too want to speak up from a Pagan point of view.</p>
<p>Mike &#8230;can I please post an article sometimes. I take things very seriously and I promise I will not let you down. You can monitor everything and I will pay towards costs of the site., . I couldn&#8217;t care less about credits. Honestly, I don&#8217;t. The men who I will take the information from will go crazy that I pay but I am not a paid writer like they are. I sort of guess your costs are to pay writers. </p>
<p>Hey, I have something to offer. </p>
<p>We can negotiate my imput.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to say that I&#039;m Pagan and I vote. I also should interject that I am very religious. I wonder why the author equates Paganism with atheism. Non-Abrahamic? Sure. Non-theistic? Not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to say that I&#8217;m Pagan and I vote. I also should interject that I am very religious. I wonder why the author equates Paganism with atheism. Non-Abrahamic? Sure. Non-theistic? Not really.</p>
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