Comments on: Parent Refuses Food And Water To Protest Child Support Laws http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/20/parent-refuses-food-and-water-to-protest-child-support-laws/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:49:00 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Robert Stevens http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/20/parent-refuses-food-and-water-to-protest-child-support-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-67679 Robert Stevens Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:46:35 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/?p=83356#comment-67679 Starving ourselves or self abuse is not going to do any good, the "terrorist" who run the family courts do not give a rats ass about us. We,fathers and men, have become disenfranchised,we have let the thugs and criminals who run the system strip us of basic rights. It is time to reclaim those rights and we must start enforcing the law and make the "terrorist" who run the system start abiding by it again. The courts are corrupt, but they can be made to behave themselves. They still do have to follow their own rules and if they fail to follow their own rules, their are remedies under the common law system we have. They can be held accountable. The most effective technique I have found is a little thing called challenging subject matter jurisdiction. What this is, is challenging the original legal authority the courts used to put us in this God awful mess. There are several elements in this. I have found from personal experience and trial and error, that they routinely miss atleast three of these elements, thereby rendering the judgments, ie child support and custody, void. They can be made to stop and give back atleast part of what they have stolen. You can restore some of your rights to be a parent and stop some of the abusive behavior these thugs often exhibit. Yes, you can hold judges, who are usually imune, accountable, albeit not personally. But when faced with losing their "cushy little job" and being subject to civil penalty,they tend to act a lot better. This technique is called a collateral attack, ie attacking the jurisdiction, not the decisions of that court. This is done in federal court, and despite the reputation for being just as bad as the state courts, when it comes to issues of civil rights and when the state courts and official fail to follow their own laws, the feds do routinely go in there and make them behave themselves. It's called title 4, folks. Easy to do, NOOOOOO. but doable and effective, Yes! If you think some lawyer is going to do this, no way, part of the problem, is that they work for the system and no matter much money you pay them , they do not work for you. You have to do it yourself. It is difficult to learn and takes awhile, but anyone with basic knowledge can do it. Just go to the local law library and study judgments and Pleadings. You will find right away the mistakes they have made and how to attack the case and destroy it. Study your states rules of civil procedure and learn how to construct the motions and what to do if a collateral attack become necessary. You still have to take care of your children and follow the law. But the law is perfect and the courts, when properly instructed and motivated to act right, can infact act to protect your rights. You can come out with a fair and just arrangement, something you can live with, something that creates peace,and ( after the ex' gets used to fact, she no longer has all the power and all the rights),You might even be able to create a real working relationship with her(him) Starving ourselves or self abuse is not going to do any good, the “terrorist” who run the family courts do not give a rats ass about us. We,fathers and men, have become disenfranchised,we have let the thugs and criminals who run the system strip us of basic rights.
It is time to reclaim those rights and we must start enforcing the law and make the “terrorist” who run the system start abiding by it again. The courts are corrupt, but they can be made to behave themselves. They still do have to follow their own rules and if they fail to follow their own rules, their are remedies under the common law system we have. They can be held accountable.
The most effective technique I have found is a little thing called challenging subject matter jurisdiction. What this is, is challenging the original legal authority the courts used to put us in this God awful mess. There are several elements in this. I have found from personal experience and trial and error, that they routinely miss atleast three of these elements, thereby rendering the judgments, ie child support and custody, void. They can be made to stop and give back atleast part of what they have stolen. You can restore some of your rights to be a parent and stop some of the abusive behavior these thugs often exhibit.
Yes, you can hold judges, who are usually imune, accountable, albeit not personally. But when faced with losing their “cushy little job” and being subject to civil penalty,they tend to act a lot better. This technique is called a collateral attack, ie attacking the jurisdiction, not the decisions of that court.
This is done in federal court, and despite the reputation for being just as bad as the state courts, when it comes to issues of civil rights and when the state courts and official fail to follow their own laws, the feds do routinely go in there and make them behave themselves. It’s called title 4, folks.
Easy to do, NOOOOOO. but doable and effective, Yes!
If you think some lawyer is going to do this, no way, part of the problem, is that they work for the system and no matter much money you pay them , they do not work for you. You have to do it yourself. It is difficult to learn and takes awhile, but anyone with basic knowledge can do it. Just go to the local law library and study judgments and Pleadings. You will find right away the mistakes they have made and how to attack the case and destroy it.
Study your states rules of civil procedure and learn how to construct the motions and what to do if a collateral attack become necessary.
You still have to take care of your children and follow the law. But the law is perfect and the courts, when properly instructed and motivated to act right, can infact act to protect your rights. You can come out with a fair and just arrangement, something you can live with, something that creates peace,and ( after the ex’ gets used to fact, she no longer has all the power and all the rights),You might even be able to create a real working relationship with her(him)

]]> By: merck http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/20/parent-refuses-food-and-water-to-protest-child-support-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-67663 merck Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:13:58 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/?p=83356#comment-67663 Great Post! I’m glad I took the time to listen to the radio show posted above. The people who called in were quick to point out that John’s case is not unique and there are literally hundreds of thousands of cases like this across the nation. John actually has a great deal to be thankful for. There are a lot of people out there who’ve suffered far worse than he has, and we’ll never hear a word about what they went through. Thousands of people spiral into alcoholic depression (like the radio show host’s brother) and many commit suicide. Many end up homeless and God only knows the extent of the rest. All of this is being done so a ruling class of “legal professionals” and “social workers” can earn a living off the backs of our children. It’s being done so that state governments can rob the taxpayers of billions of dollars every year, (via matching federal dollars) and is nothing more than racketeering as the last caller pointed out. John is wrong about there not being a “law” that guarantees your right to be a parent to your children as one of the callers pointed out. The right to be a parent to your children is the most fundamental human right there is, and is unquestionably protected by the Constitution. There is no difference between people who hijack our courts and use them as weapons of mass destruction against our people and people who fly planes into buildings. If anything the former is far more deadly than the latter. Great Post!

I’m glad I took the time to listen to the radio show posted above. The people who called in were quick to point out that John’s case is not unique and there are literally hundreds of thousands of cases like this across the nation.

John actually has a great deal to be thankful for. There are a lot of people out there who’ve suffered far worse than he has, and we’ll never hear a word about what they went through. Thousands of people spiral into alcoholic depression (like the radio show host’s brother) and many commit suicide. Many end up homeless and God only knows the extent of the rest.

All of this is being done so a ruling class of “legal professionals” and “social workers” can earn a living off the backs of our children. It’s being done so that state governments can rob the taxpayers of billions of dollars every year, (via matching federal dollars) and is nothing more than racketeering as the last caller pointed out.

John is wrong about there not being a “law” that guarantees your right to be a parent to your children as one of the callers pointed out. The right to be a parent to your children is the most fundamental human right there is, and is unquestionably protected by the Constitution.

There is no difference between people who hijack our courts and use them as weapons of mass destruction against our people and people who fly planes into buildings. If anything the former is far more deadly than the latter.

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