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		<title>By: Cae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Hussein Obama&#039;s Kenyan Birth Certificate

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		<title>By: Captain Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;John&quot; re: Each State evaluating eligibility.

This is untrue.  During the campaign I personally wrote to the California Secretary of State to ask about their policy.  Their reply was that it was not their responsibility; it was the responsibility of the Democratic party.  Should I trust the Dems with the obvious self interest?  I think not!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;John&#8221; re: Each State evaluating eligibility.</p>
<p>This is untrue.  During the campaign I personally wrote to the California Secretary of State to ask about their policy.  Their reply was that it was not their responsibility; it was the responsibility of the Democratic party.  Should I trust the Dems with the obvious self interest?  I think not!</p>
<p>OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author said:

&quot;Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, &quot;

So, why in Obama&#039;s book, Audacity of Hope, does he say he was born in Queen&#039;s Medical Center in Hawaii?   Why the discrepancy?

HAS THIS JOURNALIST DONE ANY RESEARCH??  

Perhaps evaluate the Quo warranto legal process too -  since impeachment is the only way to remove a sitting president but does not apply if he is ineligible.

Regarding vetting  -  you say he was vetted at 4 stages - perhaps provide details of these alleged vetting processes.  I don&#039;t think you can, because there wasn&#039;t one.

Oh, and btw, WHERE he was born, is a distraction from the real issue.  Doesnt matter if born in hawaii, on the white house lawn, or in kenya, china or anywhere else for that matter.  to be eligible he must be a &quot;Natural Born Citizen&quot;, and to qualify as an NBC BOTH his parents had to be citizens when he was born.  Accrording to our friend Barry, his Dad was a british citizen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, &#8221;</p>
<p>So, why in Obama&#8217;s book, Audacity of Hope, does he say he was born in Queen&#8217;s Medical Center in Hawaii?   Why the discrepancy?</p>
<p>HAS THIS JOURNALIST DONE ANY RESEARCH??  </p>
<p>Perhaps evaluate the Quo warranto legal process too &#8211;  since impeachment is the only way to remove a sitting president but does not apply if he is ineligible.</p>
<p>Regarding vetting  &#8211;  you say he was vetted at 4 stages &#8211; perhaps provide details of these alleged vetting processes.  I don&#8217;t think you can, because there wasn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>Oh, and btw, WHERE he was born, is a distraction from the real issue.  Doesnt matter if born in hawaii, on the white house lawn, or in kenya, china or anywhere else for that matter.  to be eligible he must be a &#8220;Natural Born Citizen&#8221;, and to qualify as an NBC BOTH his parents had to be citizens when he was born.  Accrording to our friend Barry, his Dad was a british citizen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:   &quot;The birthers claim that Obama’s eligibility was not checked. This is false.  His eligibility was determined at four stages in the electoral process. 
First — the election officials of the 50 states determined that Obama was eligible to appear on the ballot. &quot;

THE STATES TOOK HIS OWN STATEMENT THAT HE IS ELIGIBLE. THAT WAS THE EXTEND OF THEIR VETTING.  A CA COURT RULED THAT THE STATE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR VETTING.

RE : &quot;Second — voters deemed Obama eligible in the court of public opinion. &quot;

PUBLIC OPINION VETTING ?  WHAT IS THE LEGAL FOUNDATION OF THIS?  SO IF THE GALLUP POLL SAYS THAT THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS THINK THAT HE IS ELIGIBLE THAN HE IS? 

RE: &quot;Third — the Electoral College deemed Obama eligible when they voted to elect him. &quot;

EC NEVER VETTED HIM - BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE. SOME ELECTORS FILED LAWSUITS TO ENFORCE VETTING THESE SUITS WERE NEVER RULED ON MERIT .


RE : &quot;Fourth — the US Congress deemed Obama eligible when they voted to accept the results of the Electoral College vote. &quot;

CONGRESS NEVER VETTED HIM - BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE.  THERE WAS  NO PROCESS OF VETTING IN CONGRESS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:   &#8220;The birthers claim that Obama’s eligibility was not checked. This is false.  His eligibility was determined at four stages in the electoral process.<br />
First — the election officials of the 50 states determined that Obama was eligible to appear on the ballot. &#8221;</p>
<p>THE STATES TOOK HIS OWN STATEMENT THAT HE IS ELIGIBLE. THAT WAS THE EXTEND OF THEIR VETTING.  A CA COURT RULED THAT THE STATE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR VETTING.</p>
<p>RE : &#8220;Second — voters deemed Obama eligible in the court of public opinion. &#8221;</p>
<p>PUBLIC OPINION VETTING ?  WHAT IS THE LEGAL FOUNDATION OF THIS?  SO IF THE GALLUP POLL SAYS THAT THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS THINK THAT HE IS ELIGIBLE THAN HE IS? </p>
<p>RE: &#8220;Third — the Electoral College deemed Obama eligible when they voted to elect him. &#8221;</p>
<p>EC NEVER VETTED HIM &#8211; BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE. SOME ELECTORS FILED LAWSUITS TO ENFORCE VETTING THESE SUITS WERE NEVER RULED ON MERIT .</p>
<p>RE : &#8220;Fourth — the US Congress deemed Obama eligible when they voted to accept the results of the Electoral College vote. &#8221;</p>
<p>CONGRESS NEVER VETTED HIM &#8211; BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE.  THERE WAS  NO PROCESS OF VETTING IN CONGRESS.</p>
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		<title>By: nmlifestyles</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmlifestyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s Eligibility to be President

Use of the term &quot;birthers&quot; to describe those who doubt and challenge Obama&#039;s eligibility mimics a common childhood tactic: calling your opponent names to win an argument in the absence of facts. The facts: 1) Obama&#039;s true long form birth certificate has not been provided for examination; 2) the DNC during the election campaign posted on its website an image of a computer-generated Hawaii certificate of live birth - which proves nothing even if it were authentic, and it has been exposed by experts as fraudulent; 3) transcripts and official records from his college days (which could shed light on whether he was registered as a U.S citizen) have never been released; 4) several lawsuits have been filed to obtain his records; some cases have made it to the U.S. Supreme Court; others have been dismissed for plaintiff &quot;lack of standing&quot;.

Framers of the U.S. Constitution, to insure loyalty, required Presidents to be natural born citizens. Laws in effect at Obama&#039;s birth in 1961 specified that if a child was not born in the U.S. or its territories, at least one parent had to be an American citizen for five years after turning 14; Obama&#039;s mother was 18 at his birth, too young to confer his citizenship. Obama in his book states that he was born in Hawaii (a U.S. Territory in 1961), yet there is ample evidence that he was not - evidence that he was born in Kenya.

Critics of &quot;birthers&quot; ridicule the movement as conspiracy theories. One should ask, instead, about whether there is a conspiracy among Obama&#039;s administration, his adoring media, and politically correct politicians and judges, to stonewall the public by sitting on the story and reporting nothing about it. Until very recently the silence has been deafening!

Why won&#039;t Obama just release his true long form birth certificate and his college records for examination - so we can all see that this has just been a silly misunderstanding? Isn&#039;t that what a legitimate candidate and U.S. President would do?

The problem with not releasing these documents is that Obama is seen by growing numbers of Americans as hiding evidence that he is not Constitutionally eligible to be President. This feeling progresses to doubts that anything Obama says is true. Doubts are increasing about his loyalty to the U.S., based on his statements to, and treatment of our adversaries versus our traditional allies, and his apparent trashing of our Constitution and turning our system away from market-driven to socialism.

Enough talk about &quot;birthers&quot;! Let&#039;s see Obama&#039;s true long form birth certificate (if it exists) and his college transcripts. Obama, pick up your phone and make that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s Eligibility to be President</p>
<p>Use of the term &#8220;birthers&#8221; to describe those who doubt and challenge Obama&#8217;s eligibility mimics a common childhood tactic: calling your opponent names to win an argument in the absence of facts. The facts: 1) Obama&#8217;s true long form birth certificate has not been provided for examination; 2) the DNC during the election campaign posted on its website an image of a computer-generated Hawaii certificate of live birth &#8211; which proves nothing even if it were authentic, and it has been exposed by experts as fraudulent; 3) transcripts and official records from his college days (which could shed light on whether he was registered as a U.S citizen) have never been released; 4) several lawsuits have been filed to obtain his records; some cases have made it to the U.S. Supreme Court; others have been dismissed for plaintiff &#8220;lack of standing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Framers of the U.S. Constitution, to insure loyalty, required Presidents to be natural born citizens. Laws in effect at Obama&#8217;s birth in 1961 specified that if a child was not born in the U.S. or its territories, at least one parent had to be an American citizen for five years after turning 14; Obama&#8217;s mother was 18 at his birth, too young to confer his citizenship. Obama in his book states that he was born in Hawaii (a U.S. Territory in 1961), yet there is ample evidence that he was not &#8211; evidence that he was born in Kenya.</p>
<p>Critics of &#8220;birthers&#8221; ridicule the movement as conspiracy theories. One should ask, instead, about whether there is a conspiracy among Obama&#8217;s administration, his adoring media, and politically correct politicians and judges, to stonewall the public by sitting on the story and reporting nothing about it. Until very recently the silence has been deafening!</p>
<p>Why won&#8217;t Obama just release his true long form birth certificate and his college records for examination &#8211; so we can all see that this has just been a silly misunderstanding? Isn&#8217;t that what a legitimate candidate and U.S. President would do?</p>
<p>The problem with not releasing these documents is that Obama is seen by growing numbers of Americans as hiding evidence that he is not Constitutionally eligible to be President. This feeling progresses to doubts that anything Obama says is true. Doubts are increasing about his loyalty to the U.S., based on his statements to, and treatment of our adversaries versus our traditional allies, and his apparent trashing of our Constitution and turning our system away from market-driven to socialism.</p>
<p>Enough talk about &#8220;birthers&#8221;! Let&#8217;s see Obama&#8217;s true long form birth certificate (if it exists) and his college transcripts. Obama, pick up your phone and make that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You couldn&#039;t be more wrong about the 14th amendment granting NBC status. 

Minor v. Happersett – wherein the Supreme Court stated:

&quot;The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.&quot;

THE MINOR HOLDING CASE WAS RULED ON BY SCOTUS IN 1874 WHILE THE 14TH AMENDMENT WAS ADOPTED IN 1868.

For more complete information, I&#039;d recommend reading Leo Donofrio&#039;s blog here -&gt; http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/obama-is-guilty-on-at-least-two-counts-of-false-swearing/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more wrong about the 14th amendment granting NBC status. </p>
<p>Minor v. Happersett – wherein the Supreme Court stated:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.&#8221;</p>
<p>THE MINOR HOLDING CASE WAS RULED ON BY SCOTUS IN 1874 WHILE THE 14TH AMENDMENT WAS ADOPTED IN 1868.</p>
<p>For more complete information, I&#8217;d recommend reading Leo Donofrio&#8217;s blog here -&gt; <a href="http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/obama-is-guilty-on-at-least-two-counts-of-false-swearing/" rel="nofollow">http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/obama-is-guilty-on-at-least-two-counts-of-false-swearing/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren Bonesteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Bonesteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... If we can&#039;t ask about Obama&#039;s birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask other questions about him without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry??

Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even racism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against  innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.

 Public statements, no matter how credible the witness, are not a birth certificate. A COLB is not an original document. 

 it&#039;s really a simple question and the burden of proof is not on those who ask it. In a Constitutional Republic, the burden of proof is quite the other way around.

 Where is the original document?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; If we can&#8217;t ask about Obama&#8217;s birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask other questions about him without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry??</p>
<p>Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even racism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against  innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.</p>
<p> Public statements, no matter how credible the witness, are not a birth certificate. A COLB is not an original document. </p>
<p> it&#8217;s really a simple question and the burden of proof is not on those who ask it. In a Constitutional Republic, the burden of proof is quite the other way around.</p>
<p> Where is the original document?</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media.  I still want two answers.

1) Why can&#039;t we see his long-form?  Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it.  What/why is he hiding?

and most disturbingly,

2) Why don&#039;t BHO&#039;s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a &quot;natural born&quot; citizen of the United States.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Please read this:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13205</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media.  I still want two answers.</p>
<p>1) Why can&#8217;t we see his long-form?  Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it.  What/why is he hiding?</p>
<p>and most disturbingly,</p>
<p>2) Why don&#8217;t BHO&#8217;s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a &#8220;natural born&#8221; citizen of the United States.</p>
<p>OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!</p>
<p>Please read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13205" rel="nofollow">http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13205</a></p>
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