Women & Feminism
Feminism, Hatred and Dissaffection.
There is an ongoing fractured debate in the MRM about women. Feminism depends on women although there are many men willing to don a mini-skirt and flash their feminist credentials. But it is women, the ordinary woman in the street that carried the feminist mantras about and uses them for advantage. So just how far are women-in-general to be held to account. What is their part in ‘Ideology’?
One needs to look at the nexus between ‘Feminism’, driven as it is by ‘Women-in-Particular, and its constituency, ‘Women-in-General’.
To remove man-hating from feminism would be to extract the DNA nucleus from a living cell, the fuel rod from a reactor, the teeth from a rottweiler.
My friend Fidelbogan , a long standing and ‘thinking’ MRA, asserts that man-hating – Misandry – is feminism’s moral center of gravity, and that without man-hating or at least some degree of disaffection toward males, feminism could not logically continue to exist—it would flounder without purpose, and disintegrate.
If you give the matter a little thought (and he and I both have given it a LOT), you will see that no other theory so elegantly accounts for the observable facts of the case.
Of course there are women, feminists, who will say that feminism is about equality. Sure. National Socialism was about building autobahns and making Volkswagons.
Let’s start with some basic questions.
Would anybody dispute that feminism is a socio-political movement on behalf of women?
Would anybody dispute that feminism proffers a particular analysis of man-woman relations?
Would anybody dispute that feminist analysis holds women to be globally disadvantaged, by some objective and quantifiable standard of measurement, in comparison with men?
Finally, would anybody dispute that feminist analysis concludes a pronounced and blame-worthy element of male authorship in the comparative disadvantagement of women?
Yes, feminism is a women’s advocacy movement which identifies Men !! ™ as the wellspring of certain difficulties said to afflict women. This would both summarize and make reply to those questions. Even though most of those difficulties are bogus.
And given that Men !!! ™ are said to be the wellspring of women’s difficulties, are we to believe that no opinion about men as men ever infiltrates feminist thinking on any level?
Does any self-admitted feminist, having once identified “men” as the source of women’s troubles, go serenely about her business harboring no strictly personal opinion about “men”?
I’d call it a considerable stretch, to believe any such thing.
Admittedly, we fashion the argument upon probabilities. But they are compelling probabilities. I seriously doubt that any better can be offered.
I’ll have no truck with the “blame patriarchy” cop-out. This is simply a way of postponing the issue by obfuscating it, since the phrase is so fuzzy it is useless for normal purposes – although useful indeed for underhanded purposes!
But patriarchy is plainly understood as a uniquely male Institution; men created it and men keep it rolling, or so the mendacious, calumnising story goes, to oppress women.
Do not ask yourselves, all you dear women out there, about Affirmative Action; or the dispossession of fathers and the taking of their children in our Divorce Courts; of the massive funding to women’s health and next to nothing for men’s health; of not only funding ‘Violence against Women’ contras but totally ignoring women’s violence against men and childre; of men dying 7 years earlier than women and waiting longer for retirement.
It’s a very odd patriarchy that ‘disadvantages’ women with such Largesse and ‘advantages’ men with such punishments.
Despite that it is mighty difficult to understand how a person could “blame” a mythical patriarchy without “blaming” men in the very same swoop.
Different Women?
Let us enquire further into probabilities. Feminism identifies “men” as the source of women’s difficulties. So ask yourself, what class of women might be drawn to such a social movement in disproportionate numbers?
Would such a movement attract women who get along well with men and enjoy their company? All right, possibly a few. Just possibly.
But would such women compose the bulk of the membership?
Where do you suppose the probability lies in such a case?
Would such a movement attract women who do not Personally see “men” as a source of difficulty in their lives? Is this probable? Is this plausible? Is this credible?
In my own experience I have met quite a few ‘Good Women’, as I call them, who raise themselves above simple gender distinctions and blaming. They actually like being women and like men being men. But they are getting harder to find.
But even a cursory glance through Feminist literature exposes a distinctly different sort of woman who seethes with disdain, derision, destructive force, against men and even against many women.
Depth of Feeling.
Hate is a very strong word, and it signifies a very strong modus. It is hard to imagine just how powerful hate can be. Do you think you can imagine it? Well, the chances are that you are nowhere near, and have no idea. It can get even worse, far worse, than you can imagine! We can see hatred in historical events and that is quite enough to turn our stomachs.
Men do not have to imagine it. We experience a low-level, persistent hatred all around us.
It is all on a spectrum. It is all on a continuum. “Hate” can be bad, and it can always get badder! Even to the point where the Hater implodes into a black hole, and pops clean out of the moral universe, and sucks as much as possible along for the ride.
All right, maybe the word hate is not the wine for all occasions. I like the word disaffection. It is more inclusive than hate because it embraces all shades of disliking without privileging the extreme.
A social movement such as feminism needn’t hope or even try to exclude the element of disaffection. But it can and does amplify it and exploit it.
If the disaffection spectrum begins with mild disenchantment and progresses by shades clear up to unmitigated and irrational loathing, and if feminism incorporates at least some of this spectrum, then we should pause to wonder exactly how much of the spectrum is thus incorporated, and precisely how far it reaches in the direction of uncompounded malevolence.
How high on the hate scale does feminism’s emotional aura actually extend? Where does it stop?
Again, consider the likelihoods. If the feminist disaffection spectrum reached no higher than a mild and possibly sporadic disenchantment—an occasional mood, as it were—then feminism would very plainly lack the sustaining force to be a viable women’s advocacy movement.
There is simply no way it could gather the necessary motivation and momentum. There would be neither snow for a snowball, nor any appreciable hill to roll it down. No accretion of mass and no accumulation of velocity.
In a word or two, feminism would be a non-starter.
A thing like feminism requires a mighty fund of passion both to launch itself and to keep itself running. Tepid feeling will not suffice – it needs to be robust and vehement – and it needs to gain validation through a bogus and mendacious political analysis that will both justify the original feeling, and contribute to the growth of that feeling by the use of a self-fulfilling feedback loop.
The world has always contained a certain number of people—sociopathic or what-have-you—who for various reasons don’t like the opposite sex. The word ‘Misogynist’ is bandied about and misused in common parlance.
When an Ideology like feminism appears, proffering a political analysis of sexual relations casting men in the role of miscreants, it is easy to foretell the response man-hating women will make to this.
Clearly there will be some exceptions, but I feel confident most such women will be on it like bees on a honeycomb. Or flies on turds, if you prefer.
The Dynamo of Feminist Analysis.
There’s nothing quite like finding an analysis to uphold your attitude. And the documentary record indeed bears out that early second-wave feminists in the radical 1960s and 70’s were a vehement, passionate lot. They were not wishy-washy. They were not tepid. They were not mildly disenchanted with men.
Just look at Antipodean Greer, the Marxist Dworkin, the inventive Koss, the Professor of Feminist Justice McKinnon and the publicist Steinham.
These are the great Gas Planets orbiting around feminism’s Black Hole. With many lesser but rocky planetoids circling beyond.
They were by no stretch of the imagination living on the low end of the disaffection spectrum. More significantly, they were not merely attracted to something which somebody else had created. No, they were present at the very inception; they themselves were the creators and early architects of the modern, vituperative movement.
Without them, or people like them, the improved, modernised ”movement” would never have started moving in the first place! Older Feminism wold have died out.
Nor would the movement be moving still today, if people like them were not down in the engine room continuing to stoke the boiler, or up in the pilot house turning the wheel and tapping the binnacle.
They are the dynamos, the generators, and if we should replace them with a crew that was just a shade less disaffected, the new dynamo would be a shade less dynamic, as would the entire movement. It would be just a shade less inclined to bulldoze over reality and truth obstacles, a shade more inclined to call it a day earlier in the day, and a shade more inclined to lower the bar of compromise overall.
Dial this down shade by shade and watch the movement grow more and more anemic. Eventually, “feminism” would be wavering in its convictions, sleeping late, and frittering away its dwindling energy on matters increasingly peripheral and unfocussed. In other words, feminism would become a non-entity and a non-movement.
But instead it is endemic, deeply embedded and extending by the day. All with the connivance of Myz Women-in-General.
So, we have shown that feminism offers an ideological interpretation of female disadvantages in life. We have alluded to the feminist belief that female disadvantage originates from a male-driven power conspiracy, and asserted that such a belief is not feasible to uphold absent a pejorative evaluation of men both individually and as a group.
From this we have concluded that some varying degree of Personal disaffection toward men cannot be absent from the minds of most feminists, and therefore cannot be absent from the Feminist movement as a whole.
Finally, we have made the case that feminism’s viability as an advocacy movement is directly indexed to the degree of disaffection toward men found among the movement’s membership, with greater viability correlated to greater disaffection.
Or as stated early in this article: man-hating is feminism’s moral center of gravity; without man-hating or at least some degree of disaffection with males, feminism could not logically continue to exist.
Milder forms of feminism do indeed exist. And so do milder feminists. But they are not the vanguard. They are not the cutting edge. They are not the powerhouse. But they are equally effective in shaping society
They work diligently to secure advantages for themselves ana excusing their rapacious behaviours as ‘benefitting women’ like scavengers in the aftermath of the main assault, once the enemy has been routed.
They are the petty clerks, the bureaucrats, the carpetbaggers, the rent-seekers, the ‘Contractors’ who move into the occupied territory and secure the administration of it.
It is part of their job to seem unthreatening, even benign, which is easy when somebody else, their Big Sistas of the movement, do the dirty work.
Their distinguishing feature is that of taking for granted what has been ideologically instilled into the general culture, and taking their ease against the immoral support cushion this affords them.
Left entirely to themselves, they would have neither the ambition to initiate a political movement, nor the drive to keep it operating in a political capacity.
Yet they have an immoral investment in feminism’s world-view, which proposes male guilt as an explanatory model, and by this investiture they plant themselves within feminism’s web of misandric operations.
Further, the ‘woman-in-general’ take disproportional advantage if the complete immorality of feminism. They, individually and en masse advocate and exercise an anti-life philosophy which pays for feminism in dead babies. 50 million so far in America alone since Roe vs Wade.
They keep their talisman’s in their bedside tables, replacing the excoriated natural men with a plastic penis.
It is easy to see that if man-hating disappeared from the world, feminism would neither serve any life-affirming purpose nor have any means to continue operating. But feminism is still operating, and if you are male you are not amiss to suspect that feminism means to harm YOU. If you are female it provides you with a rationale for total selfishness.
So under the circumstances, you don’t owe feminism any favors. Neither men, who bear the brunt, nor women who carry and spread the virus of this evil creed.
Nor do you owe women-in-general any favors under the immoral banner of feminism while they persist in their low-level hatreds of men!
Yes, I call feminism a hate movement. A black hole with a circle of Gas -bag Planets and a host of planetoids.
Whosoever desires, may undertake to convince us that feminism is a love movement. Empathetic and caring. Nurturing.
Fat chance !
This has been Amfortas bringing, hopefully, some clarity with help from the mind of MRA Fidelbogan.
I dedicate it to my estranged and beloved daughter, and my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.
Ask, Who Does the Grail Serve.
Read Fidelbogan at:
http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-feminism-hate-movement.html
Hear Amfortas at:
http://soundcloud.com/christian-j/is-feminism-a-hate-movement
Amfortas is a Psychologist and Men's Rights Advocate living in Tasmania; the mania inflicted by Feminist-Socialism. He is the Past-Chairman of mensnewsdaily.com Ask, Who Does the Grail Serve. | More from Amfortas
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Amfortas–
It’s my observation that feminism stands on two pillars:
–Killing unborn children
–Hating men.
They would kill men too if they could, as several, such as Mary Daly, have proposed reducing the percentage of men to about ten.
September 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Amfortas: I am honored (or should I say ‘honoured’ ?
for the posting of my essay, and the link to CF!
September 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
You mention “misandry.”
Just for fun, fire up MS Word and type in Misandry. It will be flagged as a misspelled word. (This holds true for Word 2000 and Word 2003. Not sure about 2007, but I suspect it is the same.)
Mysogyny, of course, is in its dictionary. Could you imagine the lawsuits if it misandry were in its dictionary and not mysogyny? Oh, the headlines!
September 4th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Excellent piece Amfortas.
A really good analysis of what keeps the feminists on the boil.
Disaffection with men and hatred towards them – with all the various different levels of antipathy somewhere in between the two.
Take away that antipathy, and feminists have nothing to say or do.
In other words, feminism is, quite clearly, a movement against men.
September 5th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
@Fidelbogen
Your argument is that, at the very least, feminism can only remain significantly supported if a fairly high level of antipathy towards men can be maintained.
As such, it is a hate movement.
Now, if this is true – and I firmly believe that it is – then MRAs need to destroy feminism.
Not just radical feminism; but all of it.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:00 am
@Harry:
“Now, if this is true – and I firmly believe that it is – then MRAs need to destroy feminism.”
Of course, there is more nuance to it, to use a favorite feminist word.
I like to talk about “the neutralization of anti-male politics”. If you do the math, this adds up to the same thing.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
@Fidelbogen
I kind of understand – but let me be clear in my mind.
Your view is that feminism needs to go. all of it; not just radical feminism
Yes? Or just in politics?
September 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
@Harry:
If you kill radical feminism, the rest of feminism
becomes effectively meaningless anyway. So it
makes little difference which way you play
it – six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.
“Liberal” feminism is naturally evolving in a radical
direction, because it literally has no other way to grow.
It’s the nature of the beast. I call it “perpetual revolution”.
http://tinyurl.com/59shqv
So if you block “radical” feminism, the entire dialectic
of female supremacism will wither on the vine, so to speak.
And that means that feminism as a whole would just revert
to a quaint kind of liberal humanist reformism – with
concrete goals and goal posts, and some kind of an “exit plan”.
In other words, nothing to get fussed about.
The feminist Zillah Eisenstein wrote of “the radical future of
liberal feminism.” That title pretty well sums it up, in my
opinion. Meaning that if “liberal” feminism has any future
at ALL, it can ONLY be radical. And if it does not progress
continually in a radical direction, it will simply fade away.
Reeeally now, people say “radical feminism” as if there were
really any other kind!
However, if one wishes to gain allies, it might be clever to simply say
“radical feminism has got to go”, since a lot of people would
agree to that while they would balk at the idea
that “all of feminism” has got to go. But the thing is, those
same naive people wouldn’t realize that “all of feminism” is precisely
what WOULD go, in the long run.
As for your question “Or just in politics?”, remember that in the
feminist universe “the personal is the political” – and so it is ALL
politics anyway! (So once more, the question is moot.)
http://tinyurl.com/np2k6r
September 6th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Get rid of Feminism and we are still left with a mangled legal system that is now replete, nay fat, with appalling precedents and processes antithetical to Justice. It will have to be rooted out and replaced. We are left with an education system suffused with sentimental nonesense that destroys maleness. It will have to be rooted out and replaced. We are left with a workplace filled with eostrogen-fuelled hubris. We are left with a political ethos that will bring on the next weapon to enslave the people. We are left with a generation of wasted people intent on sucking on the State teat.
Feminsm has made a World not fit for men. It will have to be replaced.
It is a job for men, and we have too few. Men are outnumbered by hairdressers, actors, rap singers and quiz-show hosts sporting weenie dicks.