News, Information, and the Politics of Survival

2009-09-11
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LETTER FROM THE PUBLISHER

As the Publisher of MensNewsDaily.com, I must make decisions that in my sole judgment are beneficial to the long-term health and well-being of this publication.

Back in 2002, MND became a charter member of  Google News when that service was in beta. MND’s article archive on Google News reaches back to May, 2002. Since that time, MND has endeavored to maintain its status as an international source of news, information, analysis, and opinion for Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) around the world.

Through Google News and Google Alerts, MND reaches a global audience of MRAs across North America, Australia, India, Africa, Europe and Asia. In fact, this publication is a lifeline for MRAs in every corner of the globe.

Over some 8-years of continuous operation, on rare occasion I have made editorial decisions that have curtailed the expression of some of our commentors and authors. These decisions helped keep MND in line with the  standards and language common to the Google News aggregation, as well as with the common language of civil discourse.

I have never made such a decision lightly, but I intentionally err with caution when the downsides are high, noting that MND is the only MRA-oriented website indexed by Google News.

That said,  it is now necessary to make public the details of MND’s recent encounter with Google News.

On August 24, 2009, the following post (“Circumcision No AIDS Protection For Gay Men”) was made to MND’s Sex & Metropolis blog by author David Usher:

The most effective form of HIV prevention is to decide to stop living the gay lifestyle. We are not creatures driven blindly by wants or urges (but it is so easy to believe that is the case).

Darwin and nature control this situation. Being gay is not hip, it is not cool, regardless of what gay advocates pretend.

Guys, even if it is slightly inconvenient, it is far better to make your decisions wisely, above the belt line. That is what supposedly differentiates man from the animal world.

ATLANTA – Circumcision, which has helped prevent AIDS among heterosexual men in Africa, doesn’t help protect gay men from the virus, according to the largest U.S. study to look at the question.

The research, presented at a conference Tuesday, is expected to influence the government’s first guidance on circumcision.

Two days later, I received the following note from Google News:

Hi,

Upon recent review of your site, we found articles that do not meet our content guidelines, such as
http:// mensnewsdaily.com/sexandmetro/2009/08/25/circumcision-no-aids-protection-for-gay-men/.

Please be aware that we currently don’t include sites that contain hateful comments in Google News. If we’re made aware of articles that display this type of material, we’ll remove them, and repeated violations can result in the removal of your site from Google News.

Thanks for your interest in Google News.

Regards,
The Google News Team

After reviewing David’s Sex & Metropolis post, in my judgment this language is not hateful.

At worst, the language too-closely captures the author’s opinions about the topic, and does not adequately convey the factual elements of the story.

These last were valid reasons to put the post under review and I withdrew David’s post in due diligence.

I also asked MND’s new Editor-in-Chief, Paul Elam, to review the site for anything that might be construed as “hateful”.

Paul pointed out at least one instance wherein a potentially “hateful” word was identified. The author was Bernard Chapin. I agreed the word would be inflammatory to an urban sensibility. I informed Bernard then that the post would be deleted.

In protest, MND’s former Managing Editor asked to have his Siege Engine archive deleted from the site. As requested, the Siege Engine archive was removed. Bernard specifically requested that his old MND archive circa 2003 – 2006 be retain on the site. Thus, his old archive is still available on MND here.

Likewise, David was unhappy with being “censored”, and has left this publication. David’s MND articles are archived here and here.

As a result of these events, MND has issued new and explicit guidelines for authors and commentors on the site.

Men’s News Daily recognizes the diversity of voices in the world community and seeks to act as an inclusive and unbiased platform for the dissemination of ideas. Therefore, it is the policy of MND that any content, present in the publication or presented for publication, interpreted as hateful or inciting toward any group based on race, creed, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, political ideology or political affiliation will not be tolerated.

As the Editor-in-Chief, I am confident Paul Elam will commit himself to a fair application of this policy.

With respect to Google News, though their email did spark an internal review, their threatening message remains deeply troubling.

While I appreciate that the use of certain words or phrases may meet the standard for “fire” in a crowded theater, I am also certain that no “hateful” comments were uttered in the post cited by Google News.

Therefore I must conclude that Google News issued its threat for non-transparent reasons. One can only speculate, but it seems plausible that the threat was issued by Google News as the result of a complaint from a lone Google News consumer. GN’s overstatement of the case that the post was “hateful” might then be attributed to the personal prejudice or predilection of the Google News employee who sent the email to me. On the other hand, Google’s corporate environment might well encourage or at least support the ideological cleansing of news sites too far out of step with the current Urban Zeitgeist.

Google’s willful misuse of the term “hateful” is chilling. For a monopoly like Google News, the temptation to control the flow of “inappropriate ideas” must be great. And now it is demonstrably easy for a single Google News employee to force content providers into perfunctory compliance with even the most mundane ideological assumptions of feminist postmodernism.

In the end, it is my judgment that a head-on fight over this issue could end badly for this publication. MND’s first purpose is to provide an information lifeline to the world’s population of MRAs. Google’s email directly threatens the Prime Directive.

The new editorial guidelines have been implemented to help protect MND from future claims of “hateful” speech.

Finally, I would like to thank both David and Bernard for their past contributions and good works. MND wishes them the best in their future endeavors.

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  • Denis

    Wow.

    Mike-

    Google censor’s for the Chinese communist government and censor’s here for the politically correct power’s-that-be. My guess is that google has been contacted by N.O.W. and various gay advocacy groups, among others, who are not on the side of men’s rights.

    The Age of Obama.

    I am not happy to see David Usher leave.

    I am especially not happy to see my friend Bernard Chapin leave.

    Are they not going to publish anywhere with Google News service or just with MND?

    I never gave much thought to search engine competition before but this is a wake-up call.

    Mike-

    I’m guessing that any complaints sent to Google News on behalf of MND may not be what you would suggest.

    “And now it is demonstrably easy for a single Google News employee to force content providers into perfunctory compliance with even the most mundane ideological assumptions of feminist post modernism.”

    But clearly, the line Google News has drawn is a line that is open to interpretation and can incrementally be drawn tighter and tighter around the neck of free speech. They have become the new NYT’s.

    This is scary.

  • Denis

    Maybe Google News needs to be educated.

    Below we can see Feminist Hatred.

    Below, we see that one feminist was Al Gore’s campaign advisor, one was a member of the U.S. Congress, some are professors, authors, there’s Valerie Solanas, and there’s even a Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women. Many of these quotes are from the 1960s:

    This hatred is insane!

    I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.
    Ice And Fire – Andrea Dworkin

    Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.
    Vassar College. Assistant Dean of Students – Catherine Comin

    All men are rapists and thats all they are.
    Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.) – Marilyn French

    I feel that Ëœman-hating is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
    Ms. Magazine Editor. – Robin Morgan

    I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.
    Ms. Magazine Editor. – Robin Morgan

    To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.
    Scum Manifesto – Valerie Solanas

    (Rape) is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear.
    Against Our Will p.6. – Susan Brownmiller

    We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable.
    - Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women

    How will the family unit be destroyed? [T]he demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.
    In Female Liberation – Roxanne Dunbarr

    Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it a Her. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination.
    Pornography: Men Possessing Women – Andrea Dworkin

    The traditional flowers of courtship are the traditional flowers of the grave, delivered to the victim before the kill. The cadaver is dressed up and made up and laid down and ritually violated and consecrated to an eternity of being used.
    - Andrea Dworkin

    Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.
    - Andrea Dworkin

    The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked aberrations – for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family, tribe, or commune based on father-right – these institutions are real and they must be destroyed.
    - Andrea Dworkin

    My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.
    The Woman’s Room – Marilyn French

    The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together¦. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the breakup of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children.
    Functions of the Family WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969 – Linda Gordon

    When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression.
    - Sheila Jeffrys

    I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.
    Former Congresswoman – Barbara Jordan

    You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.
    (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.) – Catherine MacKinnon

    All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.
    - Catherine MacKinnon

    We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.
    From Sisterhood Is Powerful, (ed), 1970, p. 537 – Robin Morgan

    All men are good for is fucking, and running over with a truck.
    Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000.

  • Mr.K

    Mike La Salle,
    I’m glad how you handled the situation, Today I had trouble with my computer and installed Microsoft Interent Explorer #8 (I have Windows XP)
    When I tried to get Mens News Daily on Microsoft, it said something “Internet Explorer can not open that site”. So I wrote Google On “Bing” (Microsoft search engine and got on the MND. Then I lost my connection completely to my IPS and just called them and they reconnected my remote. So I went to MND to see whats new and when I saw Mike LaSalle i had to see what’s up.
    I’m sorry that news were bad. Some have departed and Google is giving MND a hassle. But at least I had the pleasure of reading your writing though not hearing your voice since it’s no longer on MND.

  • Amfortas

    @Mike: “At worst, the language too-closely captures the author’s opinions about the topic”

    Heaven forbid that anyone should be clear and concise with their opinion, even when couched in terns that are judged not hateful in the same breath.

    @Mike: Paul pointed out at least one instance wherein a potentially “hateful” word was identified.”

    Potentially? “Love thy neighbour” is ‘potentially’ hateful to some neurotic and/or psychotic people.

    Who needs Google to act as a censor when we exhibit such neurotic timidity ourselves.

    Still, MND has been with Google a long time. Friends, almost. So Bernard and David are not quite friends enough; to be ‘let go’, ‘moved on’ from, or pushed, just like redundant husbands. “Gone, like you were never there”.

    It is a sad day. The Editor should be a fighter for Truth and Integrity and Authenticity. The Editor should be on the side of his ‘reporters’ and ‘journalists’, defending their right to freedom of speech. Good job none of those words are on the banner.

    Instead we ‘survive’ at the whim of a Google employee who may well, for all we know, be a lunatic.

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Paul Elam

    @ Amfortas

    I suppose with almost no time on the job I figured it was not up to me to place eight years of the publishers work at risk, nor could it possibly have been within my power.

    That being said, I will leave it to bystanders as they please, to make judgments from the armchair, and to espouse ideals that while laudable, in reality place the lifetime work of others, not themselves, on the chopping block.

    I trust the man who built MND to make the right choice.

  • http://www.angryharry.com harry

    Hello Mike

    Take a look at this page of mine …

    http://www.harrysnews.com/pgmenissues.htm

    Three years ago Google decided that it contained ‘inappropriate content’ and withdrew all advertising to that particular PAGE. But please look at how innocuous it is.

    (Bear in mind that there was no complaint (and no withdrawal of adverts) with regard to angryharry.com, which is packed full of anti-feminist vitriol).

    As you say, somebody must have complained about that particular PAGE, and Google took action.

    As you can imagine, I was furious.

    They wouldn’t even reply to my emails.

    So, I gave them an offer that they couldn’t refuse.

    Step 1. I scoured the internet for truly ‘hateful’ content – especially on forums; e.g. where blacks are called Ngers and women c#nts.

    Step 2. I wrote a piece, pointing out that Google was quite happy advertising on such ‘hateful’ forums – and I gave links to those forums.

    I placed this piece on my HarrysNews website. (It wasn’t a rant; just a straightforward piece.)

    Step 3. I sat on my ars’ drinking coffee and listening to music while I emailed male journalists and academics – especially black ones and Jewish ones – all over the world and sent them just a LINK to my piece.

    Subject: Google makes money by supporting racial hatred.

    I must have sent out about 100 emails.

    Every time I sent an email, I sent a CC to Google – so that they would see what I was doing.

    I did this over four days.

    Needless to say, the traffic to my site went up.

    I then threatened to start complaining about the sex sites that contained Google Ads – sex sites that contained words like sluts, whor#s etc – and that I would alert women’s groups to this issue; pointing out how Google was making money from such ‘appalling’ sites.

    Here was my final email to them …

    …………………….

    Dear Google

    I would prefer to be doing other things, but I am not prepared to be
    treated like a piece of dirt.

    Furthermore, as a highly active activist for men’s rights I have a
    great deal to gain by drawing attention to what you are doing -
    because, of course, this WILL DRAW ATTENTION TO MY WEBSITE – whereas Google has a great deal to lose

    Together with others, I have been engaging in activism on the internet for five years now and if I have to spend my time lobbying
    other male writers to show them what Google is up to then I will not
    hesitate to do this.

    After all, what have I got to lose?

    Nothing.

    But I have plenty to gain.

    ATTENTION and PUBLICITY for my site and for my activism.

    Indeed, it is win-win all the way for me.

    So I WILL NOT STOP.

    I will also write to Google’s advertisers and to its investors as well. Quite simply, I will write essays about Google hither and thither, and I will then draw their attention to them.

    My recommendation to Google is to leave my Men’s Issues page alone,
    because I will NEVER stop campaigning against Google while those
    adverts remain blocked. A smaller company I would ignore, but a
    company with the power of Google I will NEVER ignore.

    And, of course, should investors discover that Google is prepared to provoke a great deal of adverse publicity over such a trivial matter such as my Men’s Issues page, then they might well decide that Google’s supervisors need their heads examined and that they should be fired.

    In a nutshell, Google has absolutely nothing to gain by blocking ads to my page, but plenty to lose. As such, if you care about your own colleagues and your own company, then you will stop blocking those ads.

    I will NEVER stop attacking Google while those ads remain blocked. The issues involved are far too important to me.

    I am now going to write a piece to complain about some of the appalling sex sites on which you advertise.

    Let us see how WOMEN will react to Google making money from sites that describe women as sluts and c#nts.

    Best wishes

    Harry
    ………………………..

    Google changed their mind and put my adverts back.

    Yes indeed. The most powerful company on the web brought to heel by yours truly.

    My aim, however, is not to boast, but to point out that big powerful companies have a great deal to lose if one is prepared to take them on – and on and on.

    I had to do the same with Amazon when they threw me off their affiliate program.

    They, too, changed their minds.

    It took three days.

    …………….

  • harry

    Warning: ADULT CONTENT (words only) …

    http://tinyurl.com/nhjtkb

    Look at the Google ads on the right.

  • Amfortas

    Being an Editor, Paul, is a tough job with many judgement calls to make. I do not envy you the task – I gave my appreciation and praise – and I not wish to be an ‘armchair’ judge. Unless you just want aquiescence and praise though, what is a comments section for? What are the contributors for?

    Many people have made MND. It is, in Mike’s words, ‘Not One man, but a Community of men of MND”. You are supposed to be here for us, not the other way around.

    No-one here wants to see MND fail or be taken off. No-one here wants to unreasonably put MND ar risk. No-one wants to have Mike’s dream and work wasted. Many of our contributors have been here a long, long time and have a huge emotional and intellectual investment. They are valuable. Some have been with us a short time and need to invest.

    But how things are done, matters as much as what is done.

    @ Harry. Courage and fortitude, Harry. Righteous anger coupled with a sound strategic sense and tactical audacity. Some humour too. Standing Ground. Like a man. Salute, Sir.

  • Amfortas

    Way to go, Harry.

    Google OFFENDS.

    Google offends WOMEN.

    OMG. !!!

    Google PROMOTES hate-speech, when they can make a buck.

  • harry

    This site contains google ads too …

    http://tinyurl.com/lx5npd

    The page is entitled “Why Nigrs should be exterminated”

    (I have, of course, changed the actual word used for the purposes of this post)

    It contains the following text …

    NIGRS males are 23.4 times more likely to commit crime than a white man.
    NIGRS ARE CRIMINAL SH*T BEASTS!
    NIGRS ARE PROOF THAT UGLY SKUNKS FU*K RETARDED MONKEYS!

    ==============

    And right alongside are Google adverts.

    In short, it is not too hard to put Google on the spot should you have too much trouble with them.

    @Amfortas – thank you.

  • Dustball

    It appears that the folks at Google News have neither read, understand, nor have they applied the following to their business ethics:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

    One of the principle pillars of which the united States was founded upon is that all men have the right to speak their mind. In a word, Liberty.

    For anyone to abridge another’s right to express their opinion, or otherwise silence another’s voice is to invite tyranny.

    There is no worse crime then to stifle the voice and opinions of another. To do so is to sound the death knell of open debate and open the flood gates to the erosion of all our rights and freedom.

    Certainly there are times where certain forms of speech should be curtailed by self censorship, one example would be shouting “FIRE!” in a crowded movie theater.

    This, though, is not one of those times.

    We’re speaking of two respected authors that have had their voices silenced here by the opinion of another, who, while brandishing fear, has forced MND to comply with demands that amount to nothing less than journalistic terrorism.

    Who is to say what the definition of “hateful comments” are to be? Google News? The Federal government? The New York Times? N.O.W.? MND?

    Are “hateful comments” to be defined as anything that Party Y says that party X disagrees with?

    It appears to me that that is exactly the case. Therefore, MND, Google News and every publication as well as every person on the planet since the first vocalization of one’s thoughts and feelings is guilty of the crime of making a “hateful comment”.

    Who else has Google News strong armed into doing the same as MND? How many other voices have they forced into silence?

    I can understand, from a business sense, the need of survival of one’s livelihood.

    I can also understand the need to stand up and be counted.

  • http://www.standyourground.com poiuyt

    And in this incident here, is exposed the weakness of the modus operandi of the conservative method for all to see.

    See how easily its own message and purported intent is compromised by other intrerests of a commercial nature.

  • paul

    As far as I can understand any of this it would appear that what was taken exception to was the suggestion that homosexuals should abstain. This remark being made in the context of an article about circumcision.

    Even though I would not really see it as hate speech, I don’t see the idea as being in anyway central for a Men’s Rights point of view. I still take the view that private behaviour is private and none of my business. So it was a remark that was not really necessary.

    As for being censored by the publisher I don’t see this as an issue either. A little careful choice of wording can leave the meaning unchanged while keeping Google on board. There is nothing wrong with editorial advice and nobody should get on their high horse over it.

    In these matters I think we should remember what our objective is and keeping MRD active and popular is certainly amongst them.

    For my part I think MRD is at its best when it is cantering on men’s rights. To my taste this is not always so and I do feel that some writers bring other baggage.

  • harry

    @Paul

    ” A little careful choice of wording can leave the meaning unchanged while keeping Google on board. ”

    Not so. See my posts above.

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    The key to the essay is here:

    In the end, it is my judgment that a head-on fight over this issue could end badly for this publication. MND’s first purpose is to provide an information lifeline to the world’s population of MRAs. Google’s email directly threatens the Prime Directive.

    Harry – I am very pleased that you slugged it out with google over your adsense units.

    But the comparison with MND’s situation is not valid for this reason: If you lose adsense, you lose a few dollars per month in ad revenue. If MND loses access to Google News, it is our collective voice that will no longer be heard in these vital venues. MRAs around the world will pay the price for this loss.

    It’s all very good for MRAs to think of themselves as Don Quixote tilting at windmills. Who the hell cares what Don Quixote does with his time? He can write a hundred emails to google all day long, pugnacious as you please.

    But what if Don Quixote were the general of a small army of similarly armed men?

    Would they all tilt at windmills just to prove to themselves they can still “do it”?

    No. General Quixote would have to come up with another plan besides a no-casualty contest with a windmill.

  • http://huntingforarchetypes.blogspot.com Factory

    While this is disconcerting news, it’s hardly surprising. There have been interests out there trying to shut MRAs down almost since the beginning. I agree, it’s not my endeavour, it’s not my life’s work, like it is for others…

    But it seems to me that the development of a strategy to deal with this type of situation is going to become increasingly important.

    The more successful we are, the more intense the drive to censor “incorrect” thinking. Of course, survival until such time as another entity (or company) takes the ability to censor away from Google (and the like) is a viable, if not particularly efficient, method of doing so.

    Better would be to devise a manner in which the power of Google is reduced to irrelevancy in local terms. ie, we should aim to be “powerful” enough that we don’t give a shit WHAT Google has to say…

    In meantime, however, I think it important to keep the eyes on the prize. If Bernard and David are taking a different path, they will hopefully remain active and committed to seeing this through in their own right, perhaps in another manner.

    One can hope at least.

  • http://www.angryharry.com harry

    @Mike

    Of course I understand the situation with MND. I’m not stoooopid.

    But, …

    1. You might get kicked off anyway. Did you not understand my post?

    Obviously not!

    The page that was BLOCKED by Google had NOTHING particularly controversial on it.

    And the website is mostly about science.

    Compare it with angryharry – which has never had any google advert trouble.

    Clearly, the whole thing is very ‘random’.

    So, who knows when the axe might fall on you?

    2. I was handing out some advice as to what to do should any MRA website get blocked by google; now or in the future.

    3. I was showing you and others HOW even Google can be influenced.

    4. I was also attempting to empower you so that you did not feel so threatened by google’s abandonment, and so fearful of it.

    And what do I get for all my trouble? Something about Don Quixote.

    LOL!

    But all this hoohah certainly gives you some idea about why the mainstream media is so touchy about men’s issues – and avoids them like the plague. Think of all the money that they might lose if they were “deGoogled”, so to speak, eh?

    But, fear not, Mike, for if MND were deGoogled, I am sure that, let us say, three of us combined, could play merry hell with Google – as per my above posts – and that Google would soon change its tune.

    Indeed, it would provide great practice in Activism.

    Is Google too powerful? Yes

    Is Google infringing copyright? Yes.

    Is Google making money from hate sites? Yes

    Is Google making money from people calling women sluts? Yes

    Is Google selling sleaze? Yes

    Is Google biased against Republicans? Yes

    Is Google invading people’s privacy? Yes

    And no-one in his right mind at Google is going to suffer all that just for the sake of unblocking a ‘lil old site like this one.

    They’d be fired!

    So, I reckon that you must not worry too much about Google.

    Worry a little – but not too much – because I feel sure that we could turn the matter round in the event of a de-listing.

    Well, I would certainly proffer my services.

    It would be outrageous for this site to be de-listed given that it is the only Mens Rights site that google has on its NEWS listings as far as I am aware.

    So, it would have to be outright WAR if this happened.

    And given that it COULD happen, then I think that my posts above will help you sleep better.

    So, you can stick Don Quixote up your …

    LOL!

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    @Harry – well, as a matter of fact, I will sleep better knowing that you are out there prepared to repeatedly slap Google News upside the head in the event this site is delisted.

    Also, please note that I have all respect for Don Quixote. It’s an archetype quite familiar to me. All thoughtful men have a least a little of Don Quixote about them. Don Quixote represents the search for truth and honor in a world filled with lies and corruption. So let’s not assume there’s anything wrong with the Mask of Don Quixote! LOL!

  • Globalman

    Mike,
    ‘hate’ speech is anything the Illuminati programmed drones don’t want someone else to hear. Period.

    It is all Illuminati ‘double speak’. They use the left to ‘promote tolerance’ of all sorts of things like homosexualiry, beastiality, child abuse, drug abuse, family destruction etc…..and then if you object to their debauchery you are using ‘hate’ speech and you are being ‘offensive’. LOL! It is all a joke and people are falling for it.

    I read a while back that in san francisco at a gay and lesbian march where, it was reported, some men had oral sex in public, some people who ‘objected’ to these actions were beaten as being ‘intolerant’. What is more ‘intolerant’. Commenting your disagreement to oral sex in public or beating some one for it. This is just like Hillary Clintons “Women suffered most in war because the men who were killed all had mothers.”

    To a feminised woman her broken fingernail is more important than a mans broken back. And if you say otherwise it is ‘hate speech’. AND you have a small penis..LOL!

    The ‘double speak’ of the Illuminati is that words mean the opposite of what it is they purport to mean. ‘Hate speech’ is just another way of saying ‘shut up dude’.

    And why google? Duh….they are funded by the elite in the move to detecting what people are interested in and more closely controlling people. Their “don’t be evil” slogan does not fool anyone who knows about what is really going on.

  • Erich Madden

    Just to let you know the kind of people you are dealing with at Google: It has recently been brought to my attention that Google is the *only* major search engine that did not make any acknowledgement of the anniversary of 9-11 on its homepage, despite the fact that they have in the past customized their homepage for even the most minor of holidays – Valentines day, Groundhog Day, Arbor Day, Earth Day, and presumably Karl Marx’s birthday (I’m guessing on that last one). That speaks volumes to me about what kind of loathsome, vile individuals are in control at Google. The point is, if they are trying to censor you, you know you must be doing something right!

  • Mr.K

    Mike LaSalle;
    Quite coincidence. The theater and movie production of The Man of LaMancha is one of my favorites. LaSalle and LaMancha sort of rhynes. The song” To Dream the Impossible Dream” kept me going with the help of R.F. Doyle’s The Liberator and Mike LaSalle’s MND. Wikipedia Link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_La_Mancha

  • Jean

    I wanted to write a rather nasty response, lots of name calling, etc.

    Upon reflection:
    HAVE YOU NOT JUST GIVEN YOUR ENEMY EXACTLY WHAT WAS DESIRED, A SMALLER, LESS-CAPABLE TARGET?

    Please read your Sun Tzu. This is straight out of “The Art Of War,” since you obviously are unaware that a battle was even fought. This attitude was part of the Southern mentality in the Civil War (used for brevity), and cost them the war.

    Caving to an opponent, even when it can bring long-term value, given a grievous cost in intellect and content, not to mention name recognition and social connections, definitely requires an attack in response. This isn’t Russia, you can’t wait for the winter to take care of the enemy FOR you.

    If you allow “them” to come for the Christians, and the Jews, and the Polish, and the Social Democrats, etc., who can speak when they come for you…?

    Pacfisim does not work. For that matter, activism of the genteel and law-abiding kind is bearing fruit for two or three generations ahead. Yet anytime direct ACTION is suggested, everyone gets in a tizzy about how we need to keep the moral high ground, and use reasoned arguments, and teach “them”, engage “them”, and not ever be extreme in our words, rhetoric, or even our PERSONAL THOUGHTS!

    Well, gentlemen, I must ask: WHAT IS LEFT? A starving man wishes to eat TODAY, not make sure the children three generations hence have food. First things first.
    It was apt you mentioned Don Quixote de la Mancha. A key point I believe you forgot, sir, is that he actually DID things to change the world. Anachronistic and delusional as he may have been, and romantic in the sense of aodring a past that never was, he took direct action, asking no man’s permission, begging pardon of no monarch or power beyond himself.

    Activism is part of the job description. Maybe tilting at windmills isn’t such a bad idea after all. Think of it as Father for Justice, who should be an ALLY, who IIRC were disbanded in the UK.

    Don Quixote de la Mancha was defeated by the mirrors, the “mirror of reality”, but he reached a few people along the way. He didn’t try to reach or teach the world, he merely LIVED according to his beliefs.

    If we apply the same logic to your actions here:
    “In protest, MND’s former Managing Editor asked to have his Siege Engine archive deleted from the site. Bernard’s archive circa 2003 – 2006 is still available on MND here.”

    Well, you’ll bow down to the corporate giant of Google, on fear of not reaching anough people, but you won’t even respect a contributor’s request that his materials be deleted? Perhaps I’m reading too much into it; after all, I don’t know specifics regarding Intellectual Property WRT Bernard’s writings, or pre-Siege Engine writings may be different, but – it smacks of legalisms, keeping to the LETTER of the law while denying the SPIRIT.

    So rolling it all back together: your actions tell us your true intent; your words are pretty nothings. To close with a real insult, put on some blackface and we’ll call you Obama.

    (This sort of thought process has come up several times WRT your writings – encapsulating points quite well while missing the entire subject and content of what was being said and done and enacted in the background. I specifically refer to Mike LaSalle there.)

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/mike-lasalle Mike LaSalle

    but you won’t even respect a contributor’s request that his materials be deleted?

    This is incorrect. Bernard asked that the Siege Engine be removed. It was removed as per his request. Bernard specifically asked me NOT to remove his old archive (2003-2006). Thus, the old archive is still present.

    I can see how my wording might have lead to confusion. I will change the text accordingly.

  • Jay R

    Divide and conquer.

    No censor is so effective and powerful as when she can get her target to self-censor.

    Cannot specifics be demanded and then challenged? Can the person(s) with power to judge “hatefulness” be brought out, squirming, into the sunlight and put to the task of defending themselves against the standard of free speech? Can they not be accused of acting as the “thought police”?

    It is the internet which gives me any hope at all for the future of men’s rights, and thus the future of the family.

    This development is, therefore, extremely disturbing. Are we to live in fear of the unknown, and “moderate” ourselves accordingly?

    What is the list of “forbidden” words and thoughts?

  • http://www.gndzerosrv.com Jim Untershine

    I hate to see Bernard and David protest by pulling their support from Men’s News Daily. If there is an inside agenda to silence advocates for changes in social policy by Google (or any other internet heavyweight), the protest should be directed at their hypocrisy.

    Alex Jones had a similar protest against Youtube when his account was suspended for what was described as hate speech. See http://www.infowars.com/youtubes-parent-google-is-a-corporate-member-of-the-council-on-foreign-relations/

  • Jean

    Mike LaSalle @ #22:
    Mike,
    Thank you for clarifying, the precise situation there was unclear.

    Thank you also for remaining polite given the rest of the commentary.

    -Jean

  • T Finnan

    Why free speech? So, the evil or absurdities of others can be exposed. If you cannot describe the misdeeds or absurdities of another, how do things improve. Hate speech is just PC weapon of suppression of opposition. Say the magic word and we surrender. This reminds me of the pirates at the end of “Pirates of Penzance” surrendering because, “we love our queen.” Gilbert, at least, knew it was stupid.

  • Paul R

    So we’ve now lost David Usher and Bernard Chapin–as well as Glenn Sacks and Robert Franklin, whose blog has not been updated for at least two weeks.

    What’s up with that?

    Just wondering

  • Christian J.

    “So we’ve now lost David Usher and Bernard Chapin–as well as Glenn Sacks and Robert Franklin, whose blog has not been updated for at least two weeks.”

    I am wondering too..

    Whether this is a site of coherence or just demonstrating another ego at work..

    I am somewhat frustrated to see genuine MRAS being wasted. I would hate to see this great site deteriorating into insignificance because of bad decisions, one that ignores the greater good and appears to be ego based without consideration or due diligence..

  • http://avoiceformen.com/ Mike LaSalle

    Glenn’s RSS feed broke when we installed the new template about two weeks ago. We’ve reinstalled the software, and the feed is now operating correctly. The posts are updating on MND’s home page right now.

    I should note the Glenn Sacks has been a part of MND since 2002, when he was host of a weekly MND Radio program with Dianna Thompson. Glenn no longer allows comments on his MND blog for reasons which should be obvious: the tendency of MRAs to express disaffection with their leading advocates and defenders.

    Now I believe the most pressing questions from MND’s readership have been answered. This comment thread will now be closed.

    Thank you for your support of MND and our generational mission to promote awareness of systemic misandry in our society.






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