Tea Party March Hijacked at the Podium

i think the GOP has been very wary of the tea party’s for the most part, but the only reps you ever hear speak are Republicans at these rallies, even though Dems would be welcome i am sure. it’s the message not party affiliation. My rep, Marsha Blackburn, votes exactly the way i want on every issue, so i am happy to pull the lever for her. She listens to us, and she votes with us. She did speak at the rally, as she has at many here at home, and she is not campaigning for higher office — she is actively engaging in the debate, expressing the same anger that we all feel.

I watched the event on and off for most of the afternoon, and didn’t see Dick Armey or the other speakers listed. I did, however, see TWO democrat elected state officials speak, and they were treated with respect.

We DO need to “Flip the house in 2010″, but not necessarily replacing democrats with republicans. We need to replace ensconced incumbents from both parties with new representatives that share our view of lower taxes, smaller government, balanced budgets, and a return to government as it was laid out in the Constitution.

I personally will vote in 2010 against my current congressman, a (d), who has been there for over 20 years. I will also vote against my republican senator in the primary if he is challenged, and in the general election if the democrat opponent isn’t just another insider.

This event may have been hijacked for a few minutes, but the movement is strong, and We The People WILL be heard. Congress can listen and do the will of the people, or they can get ready to be retired.

The protesters are fed up with both parties. I am sure if you were there, you would realize that a podium of propaganda isn’t going to squelch the cause of 2 million Americans that want their country back from the criminal shadow govt.

Cool! First 2 responses from West Tennesseans. I wish Marsha was my congressperson. I’m stuck with John Tenner………’till next November.

Cool! First 2 responses from West Tennesseans. I wish Marsha was my congressperson. I’m stuck with John Tanner………’till next November.

I don’t interpret your view of the rally in quite the way you do. I’m pretty much with you until you say the it was too Republican, or words to that effect. The people there — and most like-minded people unable to attend — want those who foment and support the irresponsible policies of the administration to be replaced by others who will read legislation, take their time in evaluating it, and permit thorough vetting and debate before rushing into deep waters whose consequences are unknown but probably dire.

Since Democrats are currently in the seats of power, and because we have a two-party system, it stands to reason that the alternative to Democrats is going to be Republicans and Democrats and Independents who are not in phase with current policies. What else do you suggest?

Unlike you, I think the speakers were very much NOT politicians. This was very grassroots, as was evident by virtually everything we witnessed. I had never even heard of most of the speakers or organizers.

nance: I hope I was careful enough to make it clear that my criticism is directed at what went on at the podium – even in the title. I wasn’t able to attend, but got plenty of comments and feedback from people who did before writing the article. I was tuned in to a live feed all day listening to the speeches, but was also plugged in to the voices of attendees via Facebook and was able to interact.

No donations from me until they show me improvement, responsibility, honesty, an actual PLAN and a reasonable roster of candidates.

The money I donated went to elect people who text message young boys on my time rather than legislate, or were busy lining their pockets, or flying down incognito to Argentina abandoning the state they were supposed to be running.

A joke, otherwise. A Republican Party left to it’s own devices produces exactly what we see- a cauldron of corruption and self-interest.

I went to a tea party protest a while back, attended largely by Republicans. I carried a sign that said, “End Feminist Pork.”
http://tinyurl.com/l7sqet
Most everyone on this site could make a long list of entitlements, and special identity group programs that favor women and exclude men – and are indeed sexist against men. Lots of Republicans asked, “What does end feminist pork mean?” I wanted to tell them it’s a long list of special identity group spending items that Republicans have a habit of acquiescing to. I mostly gave them the health example: “Of the 15 leading causes of death, men lead in 12 categories, are tied in two and women lead in only one, but there are offices of women’s health at the fed, state and local levels, but none for men. I gave even more examples to the terminally obtuse amongst the Republicans.
http://tinyurl.com/l7sqet

Besides that, I’m sure that 2 million people wouldn’t have marched on Washington DC just for the sake of a Republican Party campaign rally.

I think that 2 million makes this the biggest march on Washington, ever. Only a few went for speeches. surely, some Republicans would love to get their arms around this and coopt it for themselves. They are not having much luck. As for critics listeneing on the radio, if you think that is the same as being there, you’d better go back to writing briefs or boxers.

Roger, you are a brilliant observer of the reality of what we face, and I for one am very grateful to you for this truthful reporting.

I’ve been warning our folks around the country for months that this is exactly what was going to happen.

God bless every patriotic American who showed up to march, or who is doing their small part around this great land to begin to take this country back to its foundations.

God damn every political hack who cares more about their own selfish interests than they do about the survival of liberty and constitutional self-government in America.

Theoretically, a third party candidate can win with 34% of the vote. It doesn’t need to be a landslide. Things will change when people have had enough of these two factions of organized crime taking turns ripping off the people in the name of Democracy.

We need to abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS forever, among many other things. Most of all, we need to drastically reduce the size of all forms of government.

Having an actual democracy would be nice at this point. We no longer have Constitutional limits to power or civil rights protections. I don’t see any chance of people not remaining sick of two-party rule. The sooner they give a serious definitive response to it the better.

There was an article, published yesterday I think (not here) that mentioned that every country in the civilized world has two large parties representing just right and just left of center. The US being the only exception.

All of them have some form of multi-party proportional representation – parliamentary systems. It’s so stinking obvious that one part of the Constitutional experiment failed – the idea of a non-partisan political system. We’ve had a partisan system all along. Over two hundred years – that should be long enough for us to admit it. It’s just not one that works properly and it needs to be changed.

Did RON PAUL figure in any of this? If not I can not say that this would amount to much, at least not from the podium.

For real change I think Ron Paul is the only real choice.

p.s I am not writing this from the USA and am not American.

I have to agree with the writer, although I wasn’t there and haven’t watched to much of went on in DC. The Republican politicians have to realize this isn’t about them and is bigger then the Republican party. This is were the Democrats make their mistake too, but then it’s easier to just pass this off as a bunch of sore loser Republicans when it’s really about people sick and tired of both political parties who act the same when they are the majority in power. John McCain isn’t any different then Barack Obama when it comes to issues like illegal immigration and healthcare.

2 million people turning up at a rally is phenomenal. Some no doubt travelled a long way. I am full of admiration for the way such things happen in America, and it is all done with such politeness and respect for process. Which is its problem.

In Oz, our TV news shows even smaller events like road chases or train accidents in America (as we worship at the American altar) but was there any sign of this rally? Not a word. Not a picture. I await us catching up with the news. The runner with the cleft stick should get here any day now.

Meanwhile, as you say, Roger, the President/Monarch didn’t bother to show up. The Voice of the People is easily ignored.

Perhaps America needs an infusion of Arab blood or Mediterranean. Then the 2 million might turn up with guns firing in the air to attract the attention of the deafest of Presidents. 20 million spent cartridges littering the lawns might send a message re-inforcing that of millions of bits of lead falling back onto the White House roof. It might even attract sponsorship from bullet manufacturers.

For far too long the Rulers in the western Anglophile world have taken no notice of the People but simply taken them by the nose down paths created by the corrupt, the hysterical and the plain stupid in turn. And we politely follow.

I believe Henry David Thorough said, “many are whacking at the branches of evil but few are whacking at it’s roots.”

I read MND daily but have never commented.

Like many, I started my journey for knowledge trying to figure out why I have been persecuted for trying to be in my son’s life. My story is bening and compared to most is trivial.

Like Mr. Gay I am extremely skeptical of the tea party movement. I’ve seen some videos that tell me they are just a front for the Republican party. I watched a CSPAN video that featured all the speakers. While Republicans were the most represented, I think their message was largely libertarian. My biggest disappointment was when a Campain for Liberty spokesman(Ron Paul’s organization) mentioned the abolishment of the Federal Reserve there was little approval from the crowd. This tells me that their education is quite shallow. I believe that all central, privately owned, banks, whether Australia, England or the us, needs to end for freedom to begin.

Call me a tin hat but I believe that the coincidence that all western nations have very similar family laws is not a coincidence. It has been planned and financed for many years by the likes of the David Rockafellar.

Hopefully what has been happening is more people are educating themeselves about liberty from Burke to Jefferson, but without the extortion of a societie’s peoples the fight for liberty is useless. We can fight for all the shared parenting laws we want, but if we don’t whack at the root it’s all in vain.

Never mind the fact checking, of course. Joel Winters isn’t a Republican, he’s a Democrat. NH has low taxes, because of low spending, NOT because of dependences on the Federal system. NH pays MORE in Federal taxes than we get back from them. We’re a DONOR state, not a receipient state.

Perhaps there are other incorrect facts, but I know the above is true.

This march was a bunch of circle jerk.

This “movement” was started by an organization headed by Jack Kemp. It is the same as in 1993 when a similar “movement” started. This previous “movement” was *ALSO* pushed by an organization headed by….Jack Kemp. It’s GOP politics clothed in “non-partisan” constitutional rhetoric.

Where were all these concerned conservatives during the last eight years?? We had record year over year debt then too, but suddenly it’s horrible now? The sad fact is that the Obama administration thinks they can get away with it now because Bush II got away with it then.

To wit, I don’t disagree with the platform (smaller government, lower taxes, etc). I’m just saying that this group is using these platforms as a pretext. At its core, the tea bag groups represent the same a**holes who held power for from 2001 – 2006 and failed to deliver on any of it.

TXAGGIE;

First let me say Howdy! and may I also say Gig-Em!

I don’t know about the elimination of central banking authority. I’ve heard it, but all I know is that banks need to be organized.

RE: Family law similarities – most western nations have similar family laws. They’ve had similar family laws for a long time. When the dramatic changes came, family law across the western world changed – mostly, except in the other direction here in Sweden.

It was no coincidence that they used to be very similar. The research I’ve done resulted in a more complete mathematical theory for child support calculation. I can call it that, because it’s not just a formula implementing an arbitrary policy. It’s developed from sound first principles. I didn’t pull the basic idea for the principle “laws” of child support (which I mean in the sense – scientific laws) out of thin air. They are very close to the common sense laws that courts used over the centuries in the development of common law. Taking that into the mathematical realm and solving the difficult bit resulted in a consistency proof.

It’s wasn’t coincidence that courts throughout the world used the ideas. They were the ideas that made sense. In my international studies, I also included Russia during the Soviet era and beyond. Even there you can find traces of the same ideas – the extreme implementation (adapted in the US and elsewhere) merely matched the character of an overly-controlling state. Accounting for differences in “social welfare state” benefits (although that’s a poor term to use re: USSR) in each country went a long, long way in explaining every variation in the formulae used to calculate child support.

Post 1990, family law is the same because an overly-controlling Political Class in the western world forced it to be the same. It no longer makes sense. It’s scientifically provable that it’s wrong.

Re your comment: “State Representative Joel Winters from New Hampshire bragged about the lack of some taxes in their miracle “free state” (which as he didn’t mention, makes New Hampshire unconstitutionally dependent on the federal government).”

FYI: New Hampshire pays much more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in spending. Another reason why we would love to get the yoke of the feds off our backs.

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Free Stater;

Paying more to the fed than you receive back is just – once again – typical of the whole nation. Keep the facts straight, starting with the basics. First off, it’s the people of NH who are paying more to the federal government than the state receives back from the federal government. Unless you expect the federal government to spend nothing or print money or borrow (but then you have to pay the debt and interest) so that it’s providing more than it takes in, of course that’s the way it is. NH is not alone in this situation.

Logic isn’t everything, but you do need to include some if you want the facts to count. The fact that NH taxpayers pay more than the state receives in return, doesn’t mean that the state isn’t getting any. Your insinuation that NH isn’t dependent on the fed. for income is obviously false.

For states to be exercise states’ rights, they need to take in sufficient taxes (or have low taxes through very very limited government). Having low state taxes compensated by federal income means that NH (and every other state) allows itself to be controlled by federal authority as a condition for receiving the money. The result of over-dependence on this arrangement is that Constitutional rule has collapsed; both w.r.t. expansion of federal authority and suspension of civil rights. If you’ve looked at the impact of federal administration in areas of law that historically involved civil rights, you know that the federal stuff results in arbitrary and unjust laws aimed at maximizing income from the fed. at the expense of justice.

I’m not sure about the other Republicans mentioned, but Richard Mourdock is not a typical politician. If he runs for higher office (which I would be surprised if he does), I’d support him in a heart beat. He understands the problems we face and realizes that the way to fix them is to give the power back to the people.

Maybe it’s possible to understand that New Hampshire perspective based on relative rather than real logic.

I grew up in Indiana, which had extremely low income taxes. I couldn’t believe it when I first started paying taxes there. Having an adequate understanding of state responsibilities for government under the Constitution – it was a brain-teaser.

I lived in Texas for quite a while, where oil industry revenue provides some support. No state income tax.

Now, consider the fact that New Hampshire isn’t far from New York, the state that just can’t get enough. The city votes Democrats into the US House and Senate quite regularly. Shoe-in for Hillary even though she had no qualifications. They just can’t get enough money and want all the big spenders in office they can get, sending money in from far away places. People in the rest of the state wish the city would fall into the Atlantic at times because they’re paying more in state taxes to keep it going. Then there’s the city taxes ….

Now by comparison, New Hampshire might seem to be heaven on earth – tax-wise, with really low spending by comparison as a seemingly plausible explanation. But that’s a rather distorted view.

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