For Immediate Release 9/25/09

Statement from Joy Watson, Candidate for Nassau County District Attorney on the Failure of Nassau DA Kathleen Rice to Charge the “False Rape” Accuser Today

(Mineola, NY) — September 25, 2009 — I am outraged that Nassau District Attorney Kathleen Rice has made a side deal with the individual who falsely accused five young men of rape–and that this individual will not be charged. The public, and the falsely accused men, have waited since Tuesday, September 15, 2009, for the Nassau DA to do something. She waits until Friday, September 25 to finally make a decision.

In my view, the current DA is out of line. Rape is an extremely serious allegation and a false claim is highly damaging to those accused–as we have seen in this highly controversial case. Even though she has prosecutorial discretion to let someone walk, in this case the facts are that the accuser lied in a sworn statement and only recanted after a video was produced about the incident. This is not a simple false allegation over a petty theft. Short of accusing someone of murder, there is no more serious charge than rape. The accuser should be charged and the DA should allow our criminal justice system to decide her fate. She is sidestepping necessary input from the probation department and the bench, whose role it is to recommend and decide the appropriate criminal sanctions.

Rice’s pattern of minimizing criminal activity like she did with the Walmart holiday stampede in Valley Stream and her “deferred prosecution agreements” with drug dealers on Terrace Avenue in Hempstead and as used in this case, sends the wrong message to those who commit crime in Nassau County.
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Watson, a 20-year veteran former Nassau County prosecutor and now State Supreme Court law clerk, is running on the Republican and Conservative lines on November 3. She is the former bureau chief of the Nassau County Sex Offense and Domestic Violence Bureau. She has been endorsed by the Nassau Detectives Association, Freeport PBA, Hempstead PBA and Adjunct Faculty of Nassau. Visit http://www.joywatsonfornassauda.com
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I’m not in the least bit troubled by your claim that men would be admired for having sex with five women while women would be scorned. Men have a much higher sex drive than women so if a man manages to pull this off it is most likely because he wants it and if a woman consents to it it is most likely because she is a pathetic spineless people pleaser. I don’t think either of them have anything to be proud of but It’s quite obvious why they aren’t thought of the same way.

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The reasons the male and female are not thought of the same way for the same behavior are for the reasons mentioned above. This is obvious. I do agree with you that it would be better if we could all learn to not engage in stupid sexual exploits. Anyone who does engage in this sort of thing should realize that they may be taken advantage of or do something stupid and regret their behavior. If you do something like this and then accuse some innocent person of a crime to make you feel better about your own stupid behavior you are the scum of the earth.

Then again, who ever saiding that getting older makes you mature? Bah, humbug.

Just so long as we don’t resort to complete mudslinging here.

So its still the men’s fault by your logic, or should I say, wild speculation. Even if this were true, based on your female intuitive leaps of insight, honestly feeling like something doesn’t make it true or right or even rational. It sure as hell doesn’t justify it legally. I’m sure plenty of rapist honestly felt like their victim was asking for it.

Your argument to me sounds like this:

Think about it like a feminist: there was certainly a legitimate emotional reason this helpless girl accused evil men of raping her. She intuitively knows that they really did rape her despite her consent, because they forced her into agreeing to be raped to begin with. We will call it Pre-Rape, and thus for hear on out, by decree of feminism, all men are guilty of Pre-Rape, until proven innoscent, by the sole word of the victim/lover, after said rape/intercourse has transpired.

“It may be futile to ask for rude and senseless comments to not get in the way of actual constructive discussions, but one can dream, surely.”

I agree 100% you pansey-ass wimp. Are you scared of words?! Are you!! Are woo scared of the wittle words?! Its okay, I’ll pwotect woo! Just kidding, I do agree, but these issues are emotional for most people, including me, so it is noble, but yet a futile idea. Truth be known, its more fun with the insults and anger. Just is. Doesn’t make it right. Doesn’t make it mature. Just is. I feel like you get a dose of both sides anyways. There is always a couple academics who wade in and stay polite. The diversity of human opinion and human reaction is what makes it interesting.

If we reverse the situation here, making it into five women with one man, no man would ever report these women to the police as gang rape. What are the reasons for this? A (heterosexual) male would not be viewed as a slut, or any other equivalent term, for being with multiple women at once. If anything, he would be congratulated. He wouldn’t be believed, because women just don’t rape men. Right? Besides, any of them could turn around and say that he put date-rape drugs in their drinks, and they have a pretty good chance of being believed, even considering the circumstances of the group sex.

So, from this, I must conclude that there definitely exists a “rape culture”, of male raping female, female is always believed, etc. However, how can we can conlude that the dogma that “a woman never lies” is beneficial to her at all?

Yes, in the individual situation, they avoid the humiliation of having others find out that they (god forbid) engage in, and enjoy, group sex. The potential for humiliation in the first place stems from (I believe) gender stereotype and just centuries of the taboo surrounding sex, but I won’t get into that. These days, I believe that if you can’t bear to have -anyone- know about it, perhaps you shouldn’t be doing it – and that applies to both sexes.

But for women as a whole, it’s a negative thing, because it gives far too many other women an unwarranted way of getting out of shame that is really their own damned fault. It gives the individual the power of gender stereotype to get out of their own sticky situations – whether they escape or not, it’s still feeding -a- stereotype, which is of course detrimental to any concept of gender egalitarianism. Like I said, don’t have group sex if you don’t want others to know. C’mon, you just slept with five men who are probably pretty stoked about it and are probably tweeting or facebooking about it. What part of this did you possibly think could remain secret? It’s exploitation of your own gender to use rape culture to avoid the shame of your own naivety.

Ugh, you have no idea how much the foolishness of this woman irritates me. But moving on.

Clearly, the fact that this woman had no qualms (at first) about accusing the men of rape, and yet I am against the entire concept of group sex, shows that her actions do not represent an entire female culture of victimisation.

Similarly, the fact that many men do indeed rape women, but all men posting here are (I trust) disgusted by the notion of taking advantage of anyone in that way, shows that the actions of one rapist does not represent an entire male culture of rape, and what have you. Nor does the good behaviour of the males here represent an entire male culture of charming, respectful men who wouldn’t dare take advantage of a woman.

In other words, we’re all individuals with our own minds. If we could all learn to a. Not engage in stupid sexual exploits and b. Stop using the prejudices and stereotypes of our gender to cover up or justify said sexual exploits, then perhaps a few of these situations could be avoided.

My last point is that while I understand that this is a heated debate, I’m not overly impressed with how rude some posters have been with their comments, on both “sides”. I’m about half the age of most posters here, and can’t help but think that if this is how the “wise” older generations choose to sort out their gender issues, then we’re all doomed.

It may be futile to ask for rude and senseless comments to not get in the way of actual constructive discussions, but one can dream, surely.

If a woman doesn’t say “no,” she’s a slut, so what it really means is that the guy (guys, in this case) asking clearly just needs to put more effort in to seducing her so she can acquiesce without damaging her reputation (see quote below).

Conversely, the guy is expected to keep pushing because otherwise he’s a loser who can’t find a way to get into the woman’s pants and furthermore, because of the above mentioned woman-must-say-no-then-yes thing, how is HE supposed to know if this is a serious ‘no’ or a coy one?

So yes, we do live in a rape culture. The cultural expectations imposed on both men and women set them up for rape. Women are expected to say “no” when they mean “no” and “no” when they mean “yes” and men are expected to be able to tell the two apart. That’s not fair to anyone and it needs to change.

And we haven’t even addressed the subject of male rape which has huge issues and stigmas all its own.

Relevant quote: That’s legal and media speak for admitting she cheapened herself by taking on five men willingly on a men’s room floor and lied about it later out of what little capacity for shame she had.

Other bothersome thing about this: If a guy managed to have sex with five women at once, he wouldn’t stop bragging for the next month and a half. When a woman does the same with men, she’s “cheapened herself.”

You have nothing. I threw out a little bit of noise and you abandoned the topic to focus on that. There is no reason to believe that the guys did anything illegal. The facts are that it is the guys and her against her. That’s all there is. What is further investigation going to uncover? If she is questioned further she may change her story again and that will further demonstrate her inconsistency. So what?

“the other broad with the big imagination” . . . ?

Nice comeback, Jon! I’m sure everyone is very impressed by your clever and mature name-calling on public forums!

I did google ’shame tactics,’ by the way. And I laughed. Mostly at your analysis of my post and how my assertion that the case needs to be fully investigated somehow (according to you) qualifies me as having a ‘big imagination,’ and therefor requires me to google ’shame tactics.’

I’m sorry, Jon, but I’m truly not the dim one here. I’m actually looking at the facts.

By the way, don’t you think it’s a little screwed up that you immediately assumed I’m a feminist (and a female) simply because I believe that the girl who made the rape claim should explain where she’s coming from? Thanks for that. Does that mean I get to call you a misogynist for calling me a broad?

I think the vast majority of feminists are just easily manipulated and dim.

google “shaming tactics”

Hey Jon,

I think I have a pretty substantial case, actually. In fact, you prove to me the one misled: you said, “you are right that nobody can ever know for sure,” and then contradicted yourself by telling me I have “absolutely nothing.” Go figure.

I’m not disagreeing with you, by the way, when you say that “nobody should ever go to jail over imaginary crimes.” Did I ever even vaguely elude to that? I don’t think so. What I was trying to say, and think I articulated pretty clearly, is that this situation should be looked into and examined as to why this girl made these claims. Maybe she was trying to make one of them look bad because she had some sort of personal vendetta against them- – in which case, it IS her fault. Or maybe she honestly felt that she was raped because she was coerced into have sex by five boys and was too scared to say no. In which case, someone needs to talk to both her and those boys and let them know what is and isn’t okay when it comes to sexual encounters.

Who knows. Neither you nor I will ever know what happened exactly, but I do think it is important to figure out why she made the claim that she did. And that’s ALL i’m saying.

By the way. You should rethink that statement you made about me being ‘just another feminist who expects us to respond to the nonsense she imagines.” Homogenizing people isn’t very nice. It’s not too intelligent, either. If you actually think all feminists are evil lesbian man-haters, which I’m getting a feeling you do, you’ve really got some research to do. Patriarchy isn’t the enemy; ignorance is. And unfortunately, jon, your comment was pretty damn ignorant.

you are as ridiculous as ageb. You have absolutely nothing. The female has 2 different stories and the males all have the same story. You are yet another feminist who expects us to respond to the nonsense she imagines. NOBODY SHOULD EVER GO TO JAIL OVER IMAGINARY CRIMES. She changed her story and now says it was consensual. She is responsible for her actions. The reason she said they raped her is almost certainly that she did something she shouldn’t have and didn’t want to accept that it was her own fault. How childish. You are right that nobody can ever know for sure. That is why it is important to be careful of the company you keep and where you keep it. duh.

Lets separate the forest from the trees. The root problems here aren’t “rape culture” or false accusations.

The real problem is represented by a simple catch-phrase: “murder and rape.” The real issue is that rape ain’t exactly murder. Not even close. Sorry, girls, including to my otherwise dear co-worker who recently voiced that rape is worse than murder: just because it happens to you more than us guys doesn’t make it a worse crime than it really is.

To be sure, rape CAN be a serious crime. For instance, rape of a straight guy by a fellow-guy is an unnatural and horrible and despicable act. It involves the insertion of one body part into another body part where it is clearly both not intended to go and where such body part is not welcomed by the recipient.

The very horribleness of guy-on-guy rape is what keeps most of us guys from a life of crime, which usually leads to more money and – as all of us guys know by now – both as a result of the crimes and the glam that comes with being the “bad-boy,” leads to more girls.

Rape is also a serious crime when involves the spread of disease, and can certainly be a serious crime when it results in an unwelcome pregnancy. And to be sure, rape is often accompanied by other serious crimes, such as murder and mayhem.

But whether something is a truly serious crime shouldn’t merely depend upon who is doing it. Rape, of course, does. Few women in the United States would deny themselves the opportunity to have Derek Jeter insert his penis in their vagina, not even knowing anything about Derek Jeter’s penis, and yet if another guy, possibly with a nicer penis and better cocksmanship, does the same thing without the consent of the girl, or even with her consent but falsely claiming he is Derek Jeter, he faces decades in prison.

In contrast to rape, now matter how much I adore, revere, often fuck, have dated, sex workers, and no matter how much I even want to someday marry a sex worker (contrary to the theory of the misguided girls that think guys hate sex workers), I wouldn’t even want the likes of Carmen Luvana to cut off my arm, or going all Lorena Bobbitt on me. That’s the difference between rape and mayhem – with mayhem, the act is virtually always a bad thing.

And, as vividly demonstrated by the Hofstra case, where the only “crime” these guys apparently committed was not inviting accuser Ndonye to breakfast the next morning, a serious crime isn’t something that could just as easily be the fantasy of a lifetime fulfilled. Especially when that fantasy of a lifetime is actually being forcibly raped. It can even be rape if the woman enjoys getting raped, as some surely have.

This is not to say rape shouldn’t be illegal. After all, guys, think about how disgusting it would be if a fat chick tied you down against your will, planted her smelly, hairy, yeasty pussy on your face, and kept gagging you with her filthy labia and engorged penis-like clit. Such a thing CAN’T be legal.

Personally, I abhor rape – even borderline, getting-a-girl-in-bed-by-claiming-to-be-Derek Jeter rape. OK, maybe that’s not so bad, but most rape is. I don’t want to see it happen to anyone, girl or guy. Its makes girls hate guys, its wrong, its cheating, and it denigrates the accomplishments of guys like me who can occasionally get hot chicks in bed voluntarily. And with hot 19 year-olds only a few phone calls, $200, and a couple of hours away courtesy of sites like Craigslist, raping is being cheap. In fact, in effect, its stealing.

A lot of guys don’t really understand why women consider rape so horrible. It sometimes looks to some of us like running over to console a toddler who just fell or knocked its head against something but didn’t think to start crying until everyone starts coddling. And even some of us thinks rape is a lot worse than it really is by putting ourselves into the woman’s shoes, but when we do so, we really, in effect, put our asses into the woman’s pussy, which makes it seem worse than it is, since its worse to fuck our asses – they aren’t for penis insertion, but pussies are. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the time, women quite like it when penises go in them – it makes them juicy, and throb in a good way.

What really drives the cult of rape, if not its “culture” as described by Amanda Hess, is that rape is about that favorite obsession of women, to wit: power. Of course, it isn’t about power for the rapists, just to the victim, because it shatters the illusion of power women carry with them. The true power of penis-worthy women emanates from between their legs – the limits they place on access to their vaginas, and the shortage of attractive women, is what keeps us paying attention to them, paying for their lifestyles, paying them cash, and coddling them like toddlers. Most attractive women considers only the most elite males truly worthy of their time and affections, and consider themselves the power equivalent of professional athletes, billionaires, and rock stars. Upon being raped, they suddenly realize that any old dreg in a dark parking garage has power of them, too, and the illusion is shattered. Women hate rape because its a reality check.

This isn’t just DirkJohanson speaking. The world, or at least any reader of The Balls Monologues, now expects a piece like this by me. Rather, other guys say things like this to me all the time – they bring up the subject, out of thin air. We are beginning to accurately assess rape.

By complaining about everything and anything under the sun for more than four decades about guys, including through what I call sperm libel (false, generalized statements about guys such as saying that we hate sex workers), by discarding equal protection under the law for empowerment, by using every trivial slight to attack everything guys do and attempt to garner the fruits of our labor through spurious lawsuit and claims, women have lost the issue of rape – ironically, perhaps the singlemost pro-woman issue guys felt most strongly about long before the Steinems and Dworkins and Ciccones came along. We used to take womens’ words for it that rape was horrible, but ladies, you’re credibility is shot now, not just because of Ndonye the Duke case, and other false accusers, but because of so much of what you’ve said in the past four decades.

So, society needs to come up with a new catchphrase to characterize serious crime. I propose “murder and mayhem”- it even alliterates.

Mayhem. Now that’s a serious crime!

Clearly + in my opinion ???

Lured???

This fellow needs a change in scenery.
Clearly, I think he can no longer swim strongly enough to rise above the bullshit.
He just isn’t up for the job. A real man would take responsibility for his error in judgment and seek remediation and honour.

Consider this

You find a man in women’s washroom just hanging around.
You find a woman in a men’s washroom just hanging around.
You find a woman in a women’s washroom just hanging around.
You find a man in a man’s washroom just hanging around.

Four men to one woman.
Four women to one man.

ideology divorced from technology breeds illusion.

“Even if they did “train” her, it’s not their fault that this girl willing whored herself out. So, don’t blame the guys for this girl’s bad choice of being a slut.”

“Or is that another of those stupid male stereotype labels that man-hating feminists like to put on men who enjoy sex?”

… No, no, don’t trouble yourself with another explanation, sir (I worry about your blood pressure). I suspect one might take away from your wise words that enraged, stream-of-consciousness diatribes should still be read through before posting – otherwise we might glean, through your careless inclusion of contradictions (and in such close quarters too!), the underlying beliefs that colour your motives.

Thanks for the chuckles, indeed.

Feminism doesn’t threaten me. It out and out attacks me. It created a legal system that reduces me to nothing more than an economic tool. It slanders and libels me. It tries to brainwash me. It shames me for being nothing more than a male.

Pathetic is a strong word to toss around. As much as I hate feminist, I hardly consider them pathetic. They are too dangerous to just dismiss. I wonder if you would use that same word in a face to face conversation. I wonder if you would feel as superior and rightous without having a keyboard and monitor to hide behind. Pathetic indeed.

Think about it: there was probably a reason why that girl said those men raped her. Maybe she honestly feels like they did, and that they pressured her into having sex. Maybe she said yes, which could be considered ‘consensual,’ but only after she was egged on by those five males to say yes, and felt she had no other way out. And then perhaps she was pressured to change her mind later when she was told by police that technically she gave consent, even if the consent was under pressure (which actually doesn’t count as consent).

Maybe none of that happened, and it was entirely consensual. Who knows. What i’m saying, though, is that people need to find out what happened before she can jump to conclusions about the men or the girl.

There WAS a reason why she said they raped her. And think about it: If there were five men, she must have had a damn good reason to say something. That’s five stories against her one story. If police questioned those five guys and all their stories were entirely consistent, down to the moment of consent, they’d question her validity. And obviously, she’d realize that before deciding to ‘cry rape’ as a lot of you guys are suggesting.

So honestly, take a step back and look at the story. You don’t know what actually happened, and all these stupid attacks on feminists and women in favor of ’slut culture’ (talk about double standards, guys) just make a lot of you look like players in that dreaded ‘rape culture’ you’re all making fun of.

So when did she lie? When she made the report, or when she recanted it?

This is a perfect example of the lasting negative impact of a false allegation. Once the finger has been pointed, many people will believe it is true, regardless of exoneration and even regardless of the accuser turning the pointed finger toward herself.